Here it is: The Mueller report is out.

[Allandavid]

Okie Dokie:

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IV Conclusion

Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.
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Now, your turn - where does the report say the President is guilty of obstruction.

No, your “turn” is not over.

You claimed that Mueller states that “he does not have enough evidence” to bring charges.

Fess up. He says no such thing. Why do you feel the need to repeat untruths....?

 

[Aldebaran]

No, your “turn” is not over.

You claimed that Mueller states that “he does not have enough evidence” to bring charges.

Fess up. He says no such thing. Why do you feel the need to repeat untruths....?

https://www.broadcastingcable.com/n...t-enough-evidence-to-prosecute-trump-campaign

 

[PeachyKeane]

Who should determine if the evidence exists to impeach, or bring charges, once he is out of office?

How about me?

 

[Speedwell]

Then why don't the democrats in congress want to just let the voters be the ones to make that decision? The 2020 election is when they get to do that.

I believe that is Nancy Pelosi's position as well, along with many other Congressional Democrats.

 

[Always in His Presence]

IV Conclusion

Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.

No, your “turn” is not over.

You claimed that Mueller states that “he does not have enough evidence” to bring charges.

Fess up. He says no such thing. Why do you feel the need to repeat untruths....?

Gave you word for word conclusion. Fess up, you just don't agree.

 

[Aldebaran]

I believe that is Nancy Pelosi's position as well, along with many other Congressional Democrats.

If the one's who disagree with her and the others who go with her way of thinking can't keep themselves from further investigations and attempts to impeach, there will be more divisions among them. That won't help them defeat Trump in 2020.

 

[Speedwell]

If the one's who disagree with her and the others who go with her way of thinking can't keep themselves from further investigations and attempts to impeach, there will be more divisions among them. That won't help them defeat Trump in 2020.

I hope they don't stop further investigations. Congressional oversight of the Executive Branch is their Constitutional duty.

 

[Aldebaran]

I hope they don't stop further investigations. Congressional oversight of the Executive Branch is their Constitutional duty.

I hope they don't stop further investigations too. The democrats calling for them don't look good doing as much as they already have. Calling for more because they didn't get their desired result makes them look even more like sore losers than after Clinton lost the election. I can only imagine their reaction if Trump won in 2020. Wooohooo!

 

[wing2000]

Who should determine if the evidence exists to impeach, or bring charges, once he is out of office?

Good question. I would guess the AG.

Actually, I think you meant enough evidence to bring criminal charges.

 

[childeye 2]

Is it really incorrect? Then investigate Mueller. He's the one who came to that conclusion.

No Mueller did not come to the conclusion that there wasn't enough evidence of criminal conduct by the President. Mueller concluded that he would not publicly make a prosecutorial determination whether there was or wasn't, because since a sitting President cannot be indicted it's not fair to the President to basically tar and feather him publicly with such a determination when there is no court or trial where he can defend himself. Here is where Mueller states this:

Third, we considered whether to evaluate the conduct we investigated under the Justice Manual standards governing prosecution and declination decisions, but we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes. The threshold step under the Justice Manual standards is to assess whether a person’s conduct “constitutes a federal offense.” U.S. Dep’t of Justice, Justice Manual § 9-27.220 (2018) (Justice Manual). Fairness concerns counseled against potentially reaching that judgment when no charges can be brought. The ordinary means for an individual to respond to an accusation is through a speedy and public trial, with all the procedural protections that surround a criminal case. An individual who believes he was wrongly accused can use that process to seek to clear his name. In contrast, a prosecutor’s judgment that crimes were committed, but that no charges will be brought, affords no such adversarial opportunity for public name-clearing before an impartial adjudicator.

 

[childeye 2]

I hope they don't stop further investigations too. The democrats calling for them don't look good doing as much as they already have. Calling for more because they didn't get their desired result makes them look even more like sore losers than after Clinton lost the election. I can only imagine their reaction if Trump won in 2020. Wooohooo!

It concerns me that your language indicates that perhaps you feel that these investigations are not only unfruitful, but more likely an unethical means to bring down a President undeserving of such scrutiny. Therefore I must point out that cynicism is an unreasonable ideology. Darkness defiles the heart and mind. Therefore such cynicism inevitably will lead to projecting a negative bias towards others which they do not deserve. Hence the President being controlled by darkness demonizes everyone who investigates him because he sees the investigation as a political vendetta, whereas a person who is pure of heart would project grace.

So please try and graciously consider, that in todays internet, information is fully capable of being weaponized so as to mislead massive amounts of people into believing what is not actually true. It obviously undermines our democracy, when a foreign power, particularly a single dictator, becomes capable of swaying a gullible electorate into choosing a candidate that will serve that dictator’s own interests instead of what is in our own best interests. Therefore the investigation is for a legitimate purpose serving decent people with legitimate concerns rather than a political vendetta.

Subsequently, it would serve the people of this country to understand why Donald Trump was seen as the preferred candidate by Vladimir Putin and if when Trump said he wanted better relations with Russia he was omitting that he had lifting sanctions in mind. It’s not a sinister act to investigate whether there were any ties between Russia and Trump and his campaign. We need to know and are obligated to find out whether our President who wields great power is not compromised by a foreign power.

 

[FireDragon76]

From the report:

“Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,”

It's over 400 pages, so it's going to take a while to see what all it contains.

I'm not familiar with the rules of Congress, with what the difference that distinction makes. I assume it has some significance. Perhaps there is insufficient evidence to charge him with a crime, but enough evidence to censure him in some other way.

 

[Fantine]

I hope they don't stop further investigations too. The democrats calling for them don't look good doing as much as they already have. Calling for more because they didn't get their desired result makes them look even more like sore losers than after Clinton lost the election. I can only imagine their reaction if Trump won in 2020. Wooohooo!

The only people that call Trump's opponents "sore losers" are his hardcore supporters who can only view Trump with a 16 oz. can of hairspray---and a one gallon coating of teflon.

The rest of us see him how he is.

What is disgusting is his Congressional enablers--who are experienced enough and informed enough to know better---but who stand behind him because he's doing things they like--decimating the middle class, the poor, and immigrants, destroying the planet,--heaven knows why!

 

[Always in His Presence]

What is disgusting is his Congressional enablers--who are experienced enough and informed enough to know better---but who stand behind him because he's doing things they like--decimating the middle class, the poor, and immigrants, destroying the planet,--heaven knows why!

And don’t forget about him punching kitties and tripping old people.

It is the dramatic accusations that draw people away from the left.

 

[Aldebaran]

It concerns me that your language indicates that perhaps you feel that these investigations are not only unfruitful, but more likely an unethical means to bring down a President undeserving of such scrutiny. Therefore I must point out that cynicism is an unreasonable ideology. Darkness defiles the heart and mind. Therefore such cynicism inevitably will lead to projecting a negative bias towards others which they do not deserve. Hence the President being controlled by darkness demonizes everyone who investigates him because he sees the investigation as a political vendetta, whereas a person who is pure of heart would project grace.

So please try and graciously consider, that in todays internet, information is fully capable of being weaponized so as to mislead massive amounts of people into believing what is not actually true. It obviously undermines our democracy, when a foreign power, particularly a single dictator, becomes capable of swaying a gullible electorate into choosing a candidate that will serve that dictator’s own interests instead of what is in our own best interests. Therefore the investigation is for a legitimate purpose serving decent people with legitimate concerns rather than a political vendetta.

Subsequently, it would serve the people of this country to understand why Donald Trump was seen as the preferred candidate by Vladimir Putin and if when Trump said he wanted better relations with Russia he was omitting that he had lifting sanctions in mind. It’s not a sinister act to investigate whether there were any ties between Russia and Trump and his campaign. We need to know and are obligated to find out whether our President who wields great power is not compromised by a foreign power.

You have just illustrated what Trump's accusers have been doing--and have done so very well. Too bad the bias you see is only one sided.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Then why don't the democrats in congress want to just let the voters be the ones to make that decision? The 2020 election is when they get to do that.

Are you asking the 2020 election to be about guilt or innocence?

 

[childeye 2]

You have just illustrated what Trump's accusers have been doing--and have done so very well. Too bad the bias you see is only one sided.

I've studied semantics my whole life. I assure you that any reasoning based on falsehood ends in a contradiction, which manifests hypocrisy. Hence the true dichotomies of good and evil, right and wrong, Light and dark, Truth and lies, only allows me to be concerned about that bias which is prone to wickedness. In other words I am bias towards Love.

 

[Aldebaran]

I've studied semantics my whole life. I assure you that any reasoning based on falsehood ends in a contradiction, which manifests hypocrisy. Hence the true dichotomies of good and evil, right and wrong, Light and dark, Truth and lies, only allows me to be concerned about that bias which is prone to wickedness. In other words I am bias towards Love.

Has your study of semantics fueled an appetite for flowery speeches that avoid a point when it is presented to you?

 

[Aldebaran]

Are you asking the 2020 election to be about guilt or innocence?

Neither, but rather about the right of the people to decide for themselves. The democrat leadership in congress has no problem with letting the people decide, do they?

 

[Aldebaran]

It concerns me that your language indicates that perhaps you feel that these investigations are not only unfruitful, but more likely an unethical means to bring down a President undeserving of such scrutiny. Therefore I must point out that cynicism is an unreasonable ideology. Darkness defiles the heart and mind.

Are you trying to tell me that if I don't agree with your conclusion, then you're going to judge me as having a dark heart and mind? Haven't you ever conversed with someone who has a different view of things than you?