Here it is: The Mueller report is out.

JosephZ

Well-Known Member
Mar 25, 2017
2,996
2,863
Davao City
Visit site
✟226,610.00
Country
Philippines
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Others
“If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state,”

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

No exoneration.
 
Last edited:

hislegacy

Memories pre 2021
Supporter
Nov 15, 2006
43,649
13,930
Broken Arrow, OK
✟689,334.00
Country
United States
Faith
Charismatic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
  • Optimistic
Reactions: DaisyDay
Upvote 0

Goonie

Not so Mystic Mog.
Supporter
Jun 13, 2015
10,050
9,608
47
UK
✟1,141,465.00
Country
United Kingdom
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
No evidence of collusion from anyone

No obstruction.

No kidding.

Sound like being exonerated to me.

Exoneration defines as the action of officially absolving someone from blame; vindication.
Falsehood. Mueller is explicit that there is no exoneration.
 
Upvote 0

PeachyKeane

M.I.A.
Mar 11, 2006
5,853
3,579
✟91,092.00
Country
United States
Faith
Presbyterian
Marital Status
Married
No evidence of collusion from anyone

No obstruction.

No kidding.

Sound like being exonerated to me.

Exoneration defines as the action of officially absolving someone from blame; vindication.

You've read 400 pages in 7 minutes?
 
Upvote 0

JosephZ

Well-Known Member
Mar 25, 2017
2,996
2,863
Davao City
Visit site
✟226,610.00
Country
Philippines
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Others
No evidence of collusion from anyone

No obstruction.

No kidding.

Sound like being exonerated to me.

Exoneration defines as the action of officially absolving someone from blame; vindication.
From the report:

“Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,”

It's over 400 pages, so it's going to take a while to see what all it contains.
 
Upvote 0

thecolorsblend

If God is your Father, who is your Mother?
Supporter
Jul 1, 2013
9,199
8,425
Gotham City, New Jersey
✟308,231.00
Country
United States
Faith
Catholic
Marital Status
Married
Falsehood. Mueller is explicit that there is no exoneration.
Based on the quote in the OP, he also seems explicit about searching for evidence that something didn’t happen. Because that seems a little peculiar.
 
Upvote 0

bhsmte

Newbie
Apr 26, 2013
52,761
11,796
✟247,431.00
Faith
Atheist
Marital Status
Single
Politics
US-Others
“If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state,”

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

No exoneration.

No surprise, this is basically what barr stated in his summary.

As i have stated, likely you could find attorneys, that could build a case for obstruction and likely just as many, that could build a robust defense against that charge.

I have to pat myself on the back, because i stated months ago, we likely get a hillary 2.0 here; careless and dicey behavior, but not enough to bring charges. I am sure some in the mueller group think obstruction happened and some dont, just as some in the fbi disagreed with comey and felt they had the goods to charge hilary.
 
Upvote 0

whatbogsends

Senior Veteran
Aug 29, 2003
10,370
8,314
Visit site
✟281,129.00
Faith
Atheist
Regarding Russian collusion, it seems like the IRA and Wikileaks would drop Trump campaign members bread crumbs regarding their actions, but weren't "coordinating". Those campaign members, such as Trump Jr., ate those breadcrumbs right up.

They didn't collude with the Russians who were performing illegal activity, they were just the beneficiaries, and then lied to Congress about the contacts they did have. Everything above board, prim and proper, amiright?
 
  • Winner
Reactions: Paulos23
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

Sanoy

Well-Known Member
Apr 27, 2017
3,169
1,421
America
✟118,024.00
Country
United States
Faith
Christian
Marital Status
Married
The whole investigation, as any investigation, is to answer the question "Is there sufficient evidence to charge the person with this crime" the answer to that question will be yes or no. In this case it is No. It's not, is this person innocent, because you can't know what evidence you lack, only what you have.

It appears, by such a statement, that there is evidence that supports obstruction. That is not uncommon with any investigation or any hypothesis in dispute. But that evidence is insufficient to proceed legally. That is the take away, this is done, there is nothing more to do unless we want to continue the narrative and speculation not with the promise of evidence as before, but with insufficient evidence. An investigation, such as this, is not capable of declaring innocence, only legal justification for prosecution.
 
  • Winner
Reactions: DaisyDay
Upvote 0

FreeinChrist

CF Advisory team
Christian Forums Staff
Site Advisor
Supporter
Jul 2, 2003
144,666
17,342
USA/Belize
✟1,738,795.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Democrat
Mueller cannot confidently state Trump didn’t obstruct justice

One reason Mueller's prosecutors said they could not clear Trump on obstruction of justice was that while the president was confident his campaign had not conspired with Russia to sway the 2016 election, he was still fearful that the FBI might uncover other crimes during its probe.

“The evidence uncovered in the investigation did not establish that the President or those close to him were involved in the charged Russian computer-hacking or active-measure conspiracies, or that the President had an otherwise unlawful relationship with any Russian official,” Mueller’s team wrote.

“But the evidence does indicate that a thorough FBI investigation would uncover facts about the campaign and the President personally that the President could have understood to be crimes or that would give rise to personal and political concerns.”

Among those concerns were the fact that Trump was still seeking business in Russia through the 2016 campaign, including efforts his aides were making to advance a Trump Tower Moscow project.


 
Upvote 0

JosephZ

Well-Known Member
Mar 25, 2017
2,996
2,863
Davao City
Visit site
✟226,610.00
Country
Philippines
Faith
Non-Denom
Marital Status
Private
Politics
US-Others
"Under OLC's analysis, Congress can permissibly criminalize certain obstructive conduct by the President, such as suborning perjury, intimidating witnesses, or fabricating evidence, because those prohibitions raise no separation-of-powers questions." Page 382
 
  • Informative
Reactions: DaisyDay
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

hislegacy

Memories pre 2021
Supporter
Nov 15, 2006
43,649
13,930
Broken Arrow, OK
✟689,334.00
Country
United States
Faith
Charismatic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
From the report:

“Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him,”

It's over 400 pages, so it's going to take a while to see what all it contains.

All this consternation over a word.

Did the President or his team participate an collusion. No

Did the president or his team break any laws. No

I understand those on the left had their hopes and dreams attached to this report and are now going through mental exercises trying their n desperation to save their reputations and hopes of impeachment, but beating this dead horse will not make it rise and run.
 
Upvote 0

LoAmmi

Dispassionate
Mar 12, 2012
26,944
9,715
✟209,533.00
Faith
Judaism
Marital Status
Married
"The President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests," the report said.

No collusion! No obstruction! No authority over subordinates! No power!
 
Upvote 0

FreeinChrist

CF Advisory team
Christian Forums Staff
Site Advisor
Supporter
Jul 2, 2003
144,666
17,342
USA/Belize
✟1,738,795.00
Country
United States
Faith
Baptist
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Democrat
Live: Mueller report is out - CNNPolitics

Mueller: Obstruction by Trump failed because others refused to "carry out orders"



In the report, special counsel Robert Mueller outlined why obstruction by President Trump failed. It failed because others refused to "carry out orders."

"The President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests," the report said.
"(James) Comey did not end the investigation of (Michael) Flynn, which ultimately resulted in Flynn's prosecution and conviction for lying to the FBI. (Don) McGahn did not tell the Acting Attorney General that the special counsel must be removed, but was instead prepared to resign over the President's order. (Corey) Lewandowski and Dearborn did not deliver the President 's message to (Jeff) Sessions that he should confine the Russia investigation to future election meddling only. And McGahn refused to recede from his recollections about events surrounding the President's direction to have the special counsel removed, despite the President's multiple demands that he do so. Consistent with that pattern, the evidence we obtained would not support potential obstruction charges against the President's aides and associates beyond those already filed," the report said.
 
  • Informative
Reactions: Paulos23
Upvote 0

hislegacy

Memories pre 2021
Supporter
Nov 15, 2006
43,649
13,930
Broken Arrow, OK
✟689,334.00
Country
United States
Faith
Charismatic
Marital Status
Married
Politics
US-Others
"The President's efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry out orders or accede to his requests," the report said.

No collusion! No obstruction! No authority over subordinates! No power!

Uh huh

No collusion

No obstruction.
 
Upvote 0
This site stays free and accessible to all because of donations from people like you.
Consider making a one-time or monthly donation. We appreciate your support!
- Dan Doughty and Team Christian Forums

LoAmmi

Dispassionate
Mar 12, 2012
26,944
9,715
✟209,533.00
Faith
Judaism
Marital Status
Married
Uh huh

No collusion

No obstruction.

You're ok with the fact that Trump seems to have wanted it to happen, but it didn't because the people he ordered to do things decided not to?

Why am I asking? Of course you're ok with that.
 
Upvote 0