Here it is: The Mueller report is out.

[bhsmte]

What is most alarming to me is that this man has the complete support of a significant portion of the electorate who are in my view diehard followers. If Trump says that the investigation is a hoax, they believe him. If Trump tweets that we should investigate the investigators, theses followers become outraged at dedicated public servants doing their job. So I seriously think that because of this fanaticism the President is a very dangerous person and should be removed immediately.

Ok

 

[Ringo84]

What is most alarming to me is that this man has the complete support of a significant portion of the electorate who are in my view diehard followers. If Trump says that the investigation is a hoax, they believe him. If Trump tweets that we should investigate the investigators, these followers become outraged at dedicated public servants for simply doing their job. So I seriously think that because of this fanaticism the President is a very dangerous person and should be removed immediately.

For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

Ringo

 

[Always in His Presence]

No,no...YOU made the claim...YOU support it..!

Okie Dokie:

QUOTE:

IV Conclusion

Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.
​

Now, your turn - where does the report say the President is guilty of obstruction.

 

[PeachyKeane]

Okie Dokie:

QUOTE:

IV Conclusion

Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.
​

Now, your turn - where does the report say the President is guilty of obstruction.

Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.

He's saying it's not the Special Counsel's decision. They don't say he's guilty they don't say he's innocent. They are passing that decision to someone else.

Me. I find him guilty. Done.

 

[St. Helens]

MOD HAT ON
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The topic of this thread is the Mueller investigation. Please submit replies that are relevant to this topic.
MOD HAT OFF​

 

[bhsmte]

Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.

He's saying it's not the Special Counsel's decision. They don't say he's guilty they don't say he's innocent. They are passing that decision to someone else.

Me. I find him guilty. Done.

Agree, mueller punted on concluding yea or nea on obstruction.

On the specifice piece of obstruction, the house can decide whether they want to build a case and impeach.

Impeachment would be entertaining, but there is risk for the dems.

 

[whatbogsends]

Agree, mueller punted on concluding yea or nea on obstruction.

On the specifice piece of obstruction, the house can decide whether they want to build a case and impeach.

Impeachment would be entertaining, but there is risk for the dems.

If they get Trump under oath, there's big risk for Trump, as he can't help himself but to lie.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.

He's saying it's not the Special Counsel's decision. They don't say he's guilty they don't say he's innocent. They are passing that decision to someone else.

Me. I find him guilty. Done.

That is why the court of public opinion carries no weight

 

[PeachyKeane]

That is why the court of public opinion carries no weight

Except that we get to vote.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Except that we get to vote.

Exactly right.

Trump/Pence 2020

But as for the topic of the thread. There is not enough evidence to bring a charge.

 

[Pommer]

Okie Dokie:

QUOTE:

IV Conclusion

Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.
​

Now, your turn - where does the report say the President is guilty of obstruction.

I think that you have a serious misunderstanding of what the limits Meuller considered himself under (as Special Counsel) were!

His job regarding the President was very different than anyone else his investigations found to have committed illegal acts, (which, as always, can only be properly adjudicated in a court of Law).

The only reason Mueller didn’t “indict the President” was because the Office of Legal Counsel’s admonition against charging a sitting-President with a crime.

In order to do so, the person holding the Office of President of the United States must first be divorced from the Office, by the Constitutional means of impeachment, (and trial/conviction by the Senate).

The OFFICE of the President is outside of the Law.
The person holding the office is thus shielded from prosecution for as long as they retain the Office.

 

[PeachyKeane]

Exactly right.

Trump/Pence 2020

But as for the topic of the thread. There is not enough evidence to bring a charge.

Apparently there is. Mueller is just leaving it to another body to decide.

You can enthusiastically vote for a man for whom you have to say (incorrectly) "well, at least 'There is not enough evidence to bring a charge.'"?

 

[Aldebaran]

You can enthusiastically vote for a man for whom you have to say (incorrectly) "well, at least 'There is not enough evidence to bring a charge.'"?

Is it really incorrect? Then investigate Mueller. He's the one who came to that conclusion.

 

[PeachyKeane]

Is it really incorrect? Then investigate Mueller. He's the one who came to that conclusion.

Again: it's not a matter of there isn't enough evidence. Mueller and his team simply aren't making that decision.

 

[bhsmte]

Again: it's not a matter of there isn't enough evidence. Mueller and his team simply aren't making that decision.

Who should determine if the evidence exists to impeach, or bring charges, once he is out of office?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Apparently there is. Mueller is just leaving it to another body to decide.

You can enthusiastically vote for a man for whom you have to say (incorrectly) "well, at least 'There is not enough evidence to bring a charge.'"?

Mueller, 19 Attorneys, 30,000,000, more than two years investigation, 40 special agents, 2,800 subpoenas, 1,000,000 pages of information, 500 different search warrants, over 500 witnesses said it.

I just quoted them.

 

[Aldebaran]

Again: it's not a matter of there isn't enough evidence. Mueller and his team simply aren't making that decision.

Then why don't the democrats in congress want to just let the voters be the ones to make that decision? The 2020 election is when they get to do that.

 

[Pommer]

Then why don't the democrats in congress want to just let the voters be the ones to make that decision? The 2020 election is when they get to do that.

Perhaps this will be how it plays out?
Maybe after a summer of House subcommittee hearings where “the Fifth” is invoked more times than at a Jack Daniel’s reunion festival, they might get enough feedback to weigh other options?

 

[Aldebaran]

Perhaps this will be how it plays out?
Maybe after a summer of House subcommittee hearings where “the Fifth” is invoked more times than at a Jack Daniel’s reunion festival, they might get enough feedback to weigh other options?

They could waste their time on such a political stunt like that, or they could just allow the people to see how the president's policies play out so they can decide if they want him to continue after 2020 or be replaced by someone else.

 

[Pommer]

They could waste their time on such a political stunt like that, or they could just allow the people to see how the president's policies play out so they can decide if they want him to continue after 2020 or be replaced by someone else.

Pelosi only knows!