Fossil Challenge for Evolutionists

[Subduction Zone]

I don't have a boyfriend.
I have a husband.
And why do you think what you do?
Pretty prejudiced of you, I'd say.
Intelligent persons are usually not prejudiced.

I hope you know what prejudiced means....

He might marry his boyfriend too. Would that make their marriage okay?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Everything that can't be proven is religion?
I can't argue good and evil and its existence.
It's like YOU arguing if an eclipse is real.

Good and evil exists throughout the universe.
I'm sure this is studied in philosophy.
If you think it doesn't exist, then for you is everything good? Or is everything evil/bad?

If one is not religious and gets sick...is this a good thing?

I can't remember good/evil being associated with religion when studying English (books).

No, not everything. But it pays to know when something is merely a religious belief and when something is a rational belief.

 

[Subduction Zone]

so this article is fake?:

Dissecting Darwinism

It is not a peer reviewed article. It looks like an opinion piece and those are worthless in the world of science.

It is clear that you do not understand the scientific method. Would you like to discuss it?

 

[GodsGrace101]

Would you consider stoning unruly children moral, or immoral?

Immoral.
God said it.
It's murder.

 

[tas8831]

so this article is fake?:

Dissecting Darwinism

Yes. It was a typical Gish Gallop of personal opinion written by a creationist medical doctor. Who cares? No better than that Andelin guy on here.

 

[GodsGrace101]

He might marry his boyfriend too. Would that make their marriage okay?

I don't believe SSM is OK.
I don't think anybody should believe it's OK.
As to their living together...I could care less.

Marriage was not instituted by a government...
It's RELIGIOUS!....
It was instituted by God when He let us know that man needed a woman.

The government should not interfere with what God did...just like God should not interfere with what government does.

State and religion should be kept separate, right?

 

[GodsGrace101]

No, not everything. But it pays to know when something is merely a religious belief and when something is a rational belief.

Faith is rational.
Good and evil/bad exist.
It's obvious to everyone that not everything is always good and not everything is always bad.

You have good days, you have bad days.
Good and bad....

How could it be denied?
I'm shocked, TTYTT.

 

[Speedwell]

I don't believe SSM is OK.
I don't think anybody should believe it's OK.
As to their living together...I could care less.

Marriage was not instituted by a government...
It's RELIGIOUS!....
It was instituted by God when He let us know that man needed a woman.

The government should not interfere with what God did...just like God should not interfere with what government does.

State and religion should be kept separate, right?

Which means that if the state issues a marriage license to a gay couple, it's no skin off your nose, right?

 

[GodsGrace101]

No, not everything. But it pays to know when something is merely a religious belief and when something is a rational belief.

Due to my shocked response to some that don't think good and evil exist....I wrote that in Prof. Google's home address...this came up.

I only post it because it shows that this subject is spoken about all the time.....How could anyone here, that is, it seems to me, intelligent - say otherwise?

Are We Fundamentally Good or Evil? Neuroscience Has an Answer

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't believe SSM is OK.
I don't think anybody should believe it's OK.
As to their living together...I could care less.

Marriage was not instituted by a government...
It's RELIGIOUS!....
It was instituted by God when He let us know that man needed a woman.

The government should not interfere with what God did...just like God should not interfere with what government does.

State and religion should be kept separate, right?

You do realize that you just contradicted yourself in several ways. First off marriage has always been a state institution. So when you say that religion and state should be kept separate that is a support for same sex marriage. Man and women were together for ages before marriage was invented.

Also in your third line you stated that people living together matters to you. You need to read what you write and think of what it actually means. Do you see your error there? This "I could care less." does not mean what you think it means.

 

[Speedwell]

Faith is rational.

Since when?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Faith is rational.
Good and evil/bad exist.
It's obvious to everyone that not everything is always good and not everything is always bad.

You have good days, you have bad days.
Good and bad....

How could it be denied?
I'm shocked, TTYTT.

Nope, if faith was rational there would be a rational defense for it. In fact "faith" is the opposite of rational. When one has a good reason for believing something he or she can explain why and how that they believe. They never use the word "faith". If someone tells me that a certain road is congested at rush hour and a different route would be better if I asked how he knew it was clogged he would not say "faith" was his reason for his belief.

But talk to a philosopher about "good and bad". They may be able to explain it to you. I don't care to take the time.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Due to my shocked response to some that don't think good and evil exist....I wrote that in Prof. Google's home address...this came up.

I only post it because it shows that this subject is spoken about all the time.....How could anyone here, that is, it seems to me, intelligent - say otherwise?

Are We Fundamentally Good or Evil? Neuroscience Has an Answer

That supports an evolved sense of right and wrong. It does not support the belief of an ultimate right and wrong. Those are two different things.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Which means that if the state issues a marriage license to a gay couple, it's no skin off your nose, right?

It's skin off all our noses.
A problem of humanity is that we keep making the same mistakes and don't learn from history.

My point is that the state should keep out of the marriage business....It's the business of church,not the state.

But the state wants to get involved in everything IT deems to be necessary. Do we ever wonder why it's necessary for the state to be involved in every aspect of our lives?

Yes. I'm afraid of a totalitarian state and I fear we're headed that way.

 

[GodsGrace101]

That supports an evolved sense of right ad wrong. It does not support the belief of an ultimate right and wrong. Those are two different things.

WHO gets to decide what's right and wrong?
HOW did this evolved sense of right and wrong get into us? WHO put it there?

Same questions as 20 pages ago....

 

[Subduction Zone]

WHO gets to decide what's right and wrong?
HOW did this evolved sense of right and wrong get into us? WHO put it there?

Same questions as 20 pages ago....

It is most likely a product of evolution. One thing that some people have a difficult time understanding is that "survival of the fittest" is a distortion of evolution. It is the "survival of the fittest population" if anything. So a trait that makes a population better able to survive will make the species stronger and more likely to survive. If one looks in nature the more complex a species is the more "moral" that species is. Each morality will be species specific so the morals of a wolf work well for their species as a whole, but they would not work for beavers as an example. So please do not try to make the error of comparing "morals" between species.

 

[GodsGrace101]

You do realize that you just contradicted yourself in several ways. First off marriage has always been a state institution. So when you say that religion and state should be kept separate that is a support for same sex marriage. Man and women were together for ages before marriage was invented.

Also in your third line you stated that people living together matters to you. You need to read what you write and think of what it actually means. Do you see your error there? This "I could care less." does not mean what you think it means.

I previously said that it matters not to me if two guys want to live together...it's when marriage is changed from what it's supposed to be that it matters to me.
Do you think I started thinking about this yesterday that I should contradict myself?

It matters to me in the sense that it is still not right...but it's not the same as getting married.
I doubt you read all my posts.

You're not Christian...I can't discuss this with you.
What came first:
God
or
The State?

God instituted marriage
Genesis 2:18
Genesis 2:24

not the state.

 

[HitchSlap]

Immoral.
God said it.
It's murder.

Your OT says otherwise. So even if you're a 'NT' Christian, and reject the OT, at some point, stoning unruly children to death was advised. So it seems even your god's morality changes with the times.


21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. -Deut. 21

 

[Speedwell]

It's skin off all our noses.
A problem of humanity is that we keep making the same mistakes and don't learn from history.

My point is that the state should keep out of the marriage business....It's the business of church,not the state.

But the state wants to get involved in everything IT deems to be necessary. Do we ever wonder why it's necessary for the state to be involved in every aspect of our lives?

Yes. I'm afraid of a totalitarian state and I fear we're headed that way.

The point is that civil marriage and the sacrament of holy matrimony are two different things. What you appear to want to do is usurp the authority of the state to license civil marriage. You and your particular religious sect do not own marriage and can't define it for anybody but your own members.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Since when?

It depends upon what it's based on.

Faith is more rational than believing all we see came from nothing....