Fossil Challenge for Evolutionists

[46AND2]

Look, I can't talk to someone that doesn't believe good and evil exist.

Are you in good health? That's good.
Are you in a hospital? That's bad/evil.

Good and evil is in everything.
It's in nature.

A soft breeze is nice.
A hurricane is devastating.

Water is necessary.
Water could kill a person.

Ditto for fire.

I mean, gosh, you know science---you never studied philosophy or religion?
You don't read books?
You don't watch movies?

The theme of Good and Evil is one of the top themes....

Good and evil is a human categorization of events and how they relate to them (and usually in terms of other humans' behavior, as opposed to things like weather). Nothing is inherently good or evil. Yes, there are things that virtually everyone agrees are good or evil (though I'd be hard pressed to think of one that every person on the planet would agree with), but it's still just subjective human opinion.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Do you think the concept of good/evil is objective or subjective?

I'm Christian.
Everything is objective.
Good and evil are not IDEAS.
If one cares not to believe that they exist, that is their choice...but they will suffer from evil and good in this life whether they want to or not.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Good and evil is a human categorization of events and how they relate to them (and usually in terms of other humans' behavior, as opposed to things like weather). Nothing is inherently good or evil. Yes, there are things that virtually everyone agrees are good or evil (though I'd be hard pressed to think of one that every person on the planet would agree with), but it's still just subjective human opinion.

Your belief.
I'm not arguing it.
The next time a hurricane devastates a city...tell the people there that what they see is subjective.

 

[GodsGrace101]

I have studied philosophy, thats why I know I’m right.

Try to prove the existance of good/evil.

You're right about everything VO.
Existence is spelled with an "e" however.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I'm Christian.
Everything is objective.
Good and evil are not IDEAS.
If one cares not to believe that they exist, that is their choice...but they will suffer from evil and good in this life whether they want to or not.

What makes you think that? Can you support this claim of yours?

 

[Skreeper]

I'm Christian.
Everything is objective.
Good and evil are not IDEAS.
If one cares not to believe that they exist, that is their choice...but they will suffer from evil and good in this life whether they want to or not.

I don't consider my relationship with my boyfriend evil, but I bet you do.

Doesn't seem very objective to me.

 

[GodsGrace101]

I don't consider my relationship with my boyfriend evil, but I bet you do.

Doesn't seem very objective to me.

I don't have a boyfriend.
I have a husband.
And why do you think what you do?
Pretty prejudiced of you, I'd say.
Intelligent persons are usually not prejudiced.

I hope you know what prejudiced means....

 

[Skreeper]

I don't have a boyfriend.
I have a husband.
And why do you think what you do?
Pretty prejudiced of you, I'd say.
Intelligent persons are usually not prejudiced.

I hope you know what prejudiced means....

I think you misunderstood my point.

I'm a guy in a relationship with another guy. The Bible does not speak well of people like me and I don't think it's prejudice to say that Christianity (And therefore Bible following Christians) considers homosexuality "evil".

This would be a moral value we both would disagree on. I consider it good and you evil.

How is good and evil then objective?

 

[bhsmte]

I'm Christian.
Everything is objective.
Good and evil are not IDEAS.
If one cares not to believe that they exist, that is their choice...but they will suffer from evil and good in this life whether they want to or not.

If everything is objective, why do christians disagree on so much and you have so many different denominations of christianity, with varying views?

We call this "black and white thinking", which is common in more fundamentalists beliefs.

 

[GodsGrace101]

I think you misunderstood my point.

I'm a guy in a relationship with another guy. The Bible does not speak well of people like me and I don't think it's prejudice to say that Christianity (And therefore Bible following Christians) considers homosexuality "evil".

This would be a moral value we both would disagree on. I consider it good and you evil.

How is good and evil then objective?

Oh, I see.
Well, this is one of the problems with non-Christians and the secular world in general today.

Subjective moral values. They don't work. If we each did whatever we thought was right...WHO would decide who is right and who is wrong?
Would there even be a wrong?

Looks like the next step will be adults marrying children.

This is going to sound like a cliche...but here goes:
I've know a SS couple that has been living together for at least the past 35 years. Why bring them up? Because they would never consider getting married, for instance. What they do in their personal life is their business; however, something that is not normal should NOT be accepted as normal.
What is normal? What is accepted by the majority for secular persons...and what is accepted by God for Christians.

God sets an objective moral code. It's MY and YOUR guarantee that one day some govt won't be able to decide that we must be on our way at the age of, let's say, 50.

So, I don't really care who you live with....but the fact that it's being accepted as normal is what bothers me. Small children are beginning to doubt their gender. There are serious ramifications to all this....just as divorce has had serious effects on children.

As far as I can understand humanity, or human nature,,,there must be an objective moral value system due to man's sin nature which is a theological term and it does not mean sinning....

This is a very serious conversation and I don't know that we should be having it here. The bible teaches that a man and woman are supposed to get married and STAY married...one sin is no bigger than the other.

And we could see the result of the divorce rate and the damage it causes. What the bible teaches is for our own good....

And good is objective
And evil is objective, maybe we could use the word "bad",,,evil might be too harsh.

The very fact that you and I don't see homosexuality the same way does not prove that subjective moral values are correct and not objective moral values.

Those that believe in God will believe what God "inspired".

We are all evil in some way or other...
Christians just have found a remedy for this.

 

[GodsGrace101]

If everything is objective, why do christians disagree on so much and you have so many different denominations of christianity, with varying views?

We call this "black and white thinking", which is common in more fundamentalists beliefs.

We disagree on theology...like scientists disagree on issues.

We do not disagree on objective moral values.

 

[xianghua]

When an organization creates their own peer review because the articles fail peer review in well respected professional journals then that is fake peer review.

so this article is fake?:

Dissecting Darwinism

 

[VirOptimus]

Oh, I see.
Well, this is one of the problems with non-Christians and the secular world in general today.

Subjective moral values. They don't work. If we each did whatever we thought was right...WHO would decide who is right and who is wrong?
Would there even be a wrong?

Looks like the next step will be adults marrying children.

This is going to sound like a cliche...but here goes:
I've know a SS couple that has been living together for at least the past 35 years. Why bring them up? Because they would never consider getting married, for instance. What they do in their personal life is their business; however, something that is not normal should NOT be accepted as normal.
What is normal? What is accepted by the majority for secular persons...and what is accepted by God for Christians.

God sets an objective moral code. It's MY and YOUR guarantee that one day some govt won't be able to decide that we must be on our way at the age of, let's say, 50.

So, I don't really care who you live with....but the fact that it's being accepted as normal is what bothers me. Small children are beginning to doubt their gender. There are serious ramifications to all this....just as divorce has had serious effects on children.

As far as I can understand humanity, or human nature,,,there must be an objective moral value system due to man's sin nature which is a theological term and it does not mean sinning....

This is a very serious conversation and I don't know that we should be having it here. The bible teaches that a man and woman are supposed to get married and STAY married...one sin is no bigger than the other.

And we could see the result of the divorce rate and the damage it causes. What the bible teaches is for our own good....

And good is objective
And evil is objective, maybe we could use the word "bad",,,evil might be too harsh.

The very fact that you and I don't see homosexuality the same way does not prove that subjective moral values are correct and not objective moral values.

Those that believe in God will believe what God "inspired".

We are all evil in some way or other...
Christians just have found a remedy for this.

You seem to be agreeing with me know, good/evil is religion yes, they can never be proven to exist.

 

[xianghua]

How do those papers support ID?

here is how:

Genetic Analysis Of Coordinate Flagellar And Type Iii Regulatory Circuits In Pathogenic Bacteria

Dissecting Darwinism

Evidence Of Design In Bird Feathers And Avian Respiration

 

[VirOptimus]

here is how:

Genetic Analysis Of Coordinate Flagellar And Type Iii Regulatory Circuits In Pathogenic Bacteria

Dissecting Darwinism

Evidence Of Design In Bird Feathers And Avian Respiration

Haha, no.

 

[HitchSlap]

Oh, I see.
Well, this is one of the problems with non-Christians and the secular world in general today.

Subjective moral values. They don't work. If we each did whatever we thought was right...WHO would decide who is right and who is wrong?
Would there even be a wrong?

Looks like the next step will be adults marrying children.

This is going to sound like a cliche...but here goes:
I've know a SS couple that has been living together for at least the past 35 years. Why bring them up? Because they would never consider getting married, for instance. What they do in their personal life is their business; however, something that is not normal should NOT be accepted as normal.
What is normal? What is accepted by the majority for secular persons...and what is accepted by God for Christians.

God sets an objective moral code. It's MY and YOUR guarantee that one day some govt won't be able to decide that we must be on our way at the age of, let's say, 50.

So, I don't really care who you live with....but the fact that it's being accepted as normal is what bothers me. Small children are beginning to doubt their gender. There are serious ramifications to all this....just as divorce has had serious effects on children.

As far as I can understand humanity, or human nature,,,there must be an objective moral value system due to man's sin nature which is a theological term and it does not mean sinning....

This is a very serious conversation and I don't know that we should be having it here. The bible teaches that a man and woman are supposed to get married and STAY married...one sin is no bigger than the other.

And we could see the result of the divorce rate and the damage it causes. What the bible teaches is for our own good....

And good is objective
And evil is objective, maybe we could use the word "bad",,,evil might be too harsh.

The very fact that you and I don't see homosexuality the same way does not prove that subjective moral values are correct and not objective moral values.

Those that believe in God will believe what God "inspired".

We are all evil in some way or other...
Christians just have found a remedy for this.

Would you consider stoning unruly children moral, or immoral?

 

[Speedwell]

here is how:

Genetic Analysis Of Coordinate Flagellar And Type Iii Regulatory Circuits In Pathogenic Bacteria

Dissecting Darwinism

Evidence Of Design In Bird Feathers And Avian Respiration

All Fake Journals: List of Bogus Journals. Fake Journals. Bogus Science i.e. Pseudoscience

 

[HitchSlap]

so this article is fake?:

Dissecting Darwinism

It's a 'real' article, it's not peer reviewed, and it's written by a professor who had to sign a 'statement of faith' clause, so even if he felt differently about evolution, he would be terminated for expressing it.

So, yeah, you found an article written by a Christian working at a Christian institution, whose content is one big load of incredulity.

 

[Speedwell]

dp

 

[GodsGrace101]

You seem to be agreeing with me know, good/evil is religion yes, they can never be proven to exist.

Everything that can't be proven is religion?
I can't argue good and evil and its existence.
It's like YOU arguing if an eclipse is real.

Good and evil exists throughout the universe.
I'm sure this is studied in philosophy.
If you think it doesn't exist, then for you is everything good? Or is everything evil/bad?

If one is not religious and gets sick...is this a good thing?

I can't remember good/evil being associated with religion when studying English (books).