Flat earth beliefs are totally in error.

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Two things not moving that usually move does not prove the Earth does not move/spin.

Yes it does because the globe model depends on a moving earth therefore it proves that the globe model is satanic and unbiblical. The Word of God is clear that the earth does not move:

"Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding."
- Job 38:4

Let those among us worms who are but dust and ashes tell the world and the people where you were when God laid the foundations of the earth...if you cannot then shut your mouth and stop it from speaking ignorance.

"He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the YHWH'S, and he hath set the world upon them."
- 1 Samuel 2:8

"Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever."
- Psalms 104:5

"The YHWH reigneth, He is clothed with majesty; the YHWH is clothed with strength, wherewith He hath girded himself: the world also is established, that it cannot be moved."
- Psalms 93:1

THE BIBLE IS CLEAR THAT THE WORLD WHICH IS THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH DO NOT MOVE.

 

[trophy33]

I have two post-graduate degrees and believe in the flat earth and firmament as described in Scripture. Just because you believe in the spherical, heliocentric model don't presume that others who disagree with your assessment are impressionable and dumbed-down. That is a logical fallacy.

Can you, with your two post-graduate degrees, make a very simple flat earth model that explains in the same time day and night, seasons and moon phases?

If you cannot model even such common scenarios, then the idea of Flath Earth does not work and is totally useless for our life and technological development.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Can you, with your two post-graduate degrees, make a very simple flat earth model that explains in the same time day and night, seasons and moon phases?

If you cannot model even such common scenarios, then the idea of Flath Earth does not work and is totally useless for our life and technological development.

You brother are being presumptuous. Day and night and the seasons, and the phases of the Moon have been operating on earth with no issues: just because one person cannot tell you every little detail about the operations of heaven and earth, does not negate the truth in scripture about the earth being flat.

 

[ewq1938]

Yes it does because the globe model depends on a moving earth therefore it proves that the globe model is satanic and unbiblical. The Word of God is clear that the earth does not move:

"Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding."
- Job 38:4

Sorry brother but you are making claims and the scriptures you use as proof do not support your claims. This does not say t6he Earth does not move nor did the others you presented.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Sorry brother but you are making claims and the scriptures you use as proof do not support your claims. This does not say t6he Earth does not move nor did the others you presented.

Hilarious! God is clearly asking Job where he was when He laid the foundations of the world...this is clearly God saying in His question that He laid a foundation for the earth. Because the foundation shall not be moved and the earth is built on that foundation: the earth does not move; and because the world is built on that same foundation: our world does not move. This applies for any foundation which is laid down for any construction site: the foundation never moves therefore the building on the foundation never moves.

This is the problem when we have too much learning and not enough real world experience with our hands. Thank God for teaching me construction! I don't know how anyone can be so foolish to think that foundations move around after being laid down! The only way for a foundation to move is from an earthquake or if someone else or something moves it.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Here's another problem for globers to solve: where and when in the creation week did God tell the earth to start moving?

Oh wait...He never once told it to move then...not in the Gospels...nor did He tell it to move in Revelation. Since God never told the earth to move: the earth does not move...unless there are earthquakes or God destroys it...or there are explosions...but as for spinning in space...no scripture to back up that satanic globe.

So how do we prove the Sun, Moon and stars move since we have no direct passage from God telling them in scripture? Easy! Since the Sun rules the day and the Moon and stars rule the night: the Sun moves with the Day which is light; and the Moon and stars move with the Night which is darkness. Therefore because the light moves the Sun moves with it; and because the Darkness moves the Moon and stars move with it.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Spread the word folks: God's Word wins against the satanic globe and trashes it!

God laid foundations that shall not be moved. The earth and the world are built upon the foundation laid down for them by God therefore they shall not move.

Look at any construction site which has a foundation and ask yourself, 'Does it ever move?' The answer will be a resounding NO! Therefore if the foundation for construction sites don't move then the buildings on those construction sites don't move either!

Trash all your global theories and go back to the flat earth in scripture and repent of your sins people. The globe is satanic.

 

[trophy33]

You brother are being presumptuous. Day and night and the seasons, and the phases of the Moon have been operating on earth with no issues: just because one person cannot tell you every little detail about the operations of heaven and earth, does not negate the truth in scripture about the earth being flat.

Heliocentric model explains it easily.

Nobody has ever been able to postulate a flat earth model in which these 3 basic simple things work together (day and night, seasons, moon phases).

It says something.

 

[Norman70]

I have just read my own posts in this thread and have noticed an apparent shift in my demeanor towards flat earthers. To begin I was saying that as Christians we should all share our opinions and be patient and respectful of each other.
However, the more I read their posts, the more depressed, irritable and frustrated I became. Some ad hominem attacks particularly annoyed me.
I thank you all for giving me this experience, but as I have already said, all I can do is pray for you, as I do with atheists and non-Christians, and let you go.

 

[trophy33]

Here's another problem for globers to solve: where and when in the creation week did God tell the earth to start moving?

Tell me, is Genesis account described from the perspective of a human standing on dry land or is it from the perspective of somebody looking down at the galaxy?

If its from the human point of view (as it obviously is), there is no problem to solve. From our point of view, we do not move in space and the sun goes in the sky from east to west.

 

[Norman70]

I have deliberately avoided joining in on the exchanges in this thread, but now I find the first mention of frames of reference. myst33 brings a sound explanation for our (us Christians together) differences of opinion.
The mathematical and physical concept of a frame of reference is so easy to understand. If we stand on the roadside the cars are moving past us, but if we are in one of the cars the trees are moving past us! Flat earthers are simply holding onto their frame of reference, and they are perfectly entitled to do that, which is different to ours.
Mathematics has been described as the language of God and science, in this case physics, as a gift of God. Therefore sisters and brothers let peace reign between us!
However, flat earthers must accept this too, release their literal interpretation of the whole of the Bible, and release their dependence on conspiracy theories in which there may be some truth.

 

[JacksBratt]

I'm telling you that is a logical fallacy.

Astronauts: We have over many years spent many thousands of man hours in space orbiting the earth and going to the moon, and none of us have ever reported seeing the earth as a flat disk or a pancake kind of thing sitting on pillars and covered with a dome.

Jack: That's because if you admitted it you'd lose your jobs and expose NASA's conspiracy.

Astronauts: That is not true. You're making that up. We didn't report seeing a flat earth because it simply isn't there. The earth is a sphere.

Jack: Well, that proves it then. Your denial proves the earth is flat.

You see what I am saying?

Lose their JOBS.... seriously..... just their JOBS....

Maybe you can tell me what highway Jimmy Hoffa is buried in, after he "lost his job"

 

[JacksBratt]

Does that mean that we don't have gravity since we don't need it with a flat earth?
What's on the bottom side of a flat earth?

Gravity is a "powder keg" topic.

Nobody denies that things fall down. Insert vid of a Neil DeGrass doing his "Mike Drop"... the crowd goes wild...

Anyway, On a FE things fall down, in a medium of heavier density an object will rise.

The only reason that they need this force that pulls to the center of ever object... is if the heliocentric model is correct and the earth is a ball.. due to the fact that you need something to hold the people and water onto a spinning ball.

We know of other forces.. Magnetic and electric.... these are applied in our daily lives... electric motors, fridge magnets... light bulbs... Even the aerodynamics and cause planes to fly.. Friction is used for brakes.


But this force of "gravity" is so weak that two steel balls sitting on a smooth table that are 1mm apart, will stay there for infinity.. even though there is gravity between them..

Then at the same time, the sun can hold Pluto in orbit....

It doesn't make sense.

 

[JacksBratt]

Can you, with your two post-graduate degrees, make a very simple flat earth model that explains in the same time day and night, seasons and moon phases?

If you cannot model even such common scenarios, then the idea of Flath Earth does not work and is totally useless for our life and technological development.

This is very well explained by the FE model. This has never been an issue for the FE people as this is one of the very first things necessary to be explained in order for the FE to work.

You should research this more before stating that they do not have a model that explains the intricacies of this.

Better still, maybe you can explain why the sun and moon both spend shorter times in the sky in the winter and longer periods of time in the sky in the summer.

This is easily explained, for the sun, by the tilt of the earth... as we orbit.

However, there is absolutely no reason for the moon to do the same.... It orbits us.

However, the sun and moon follow the same path in the sky throughout the seasons....

They are absolutely the same size, in the sky, when viewed from earth.. They travel the same path... One loses 50 minutes every day...

Yet they are supposedly massively different in size and at greatly different distances from earth... and we supposedly orbit one while the other orbits us..

Not only that.. but we only see one side of the moon because it miraculously spins in perfect synchronization to make it never possible to see the "dark side".


Maybe you can "splain" these things...instead of questioning your problems with a FE model that has already accounted for your issue with the seasons and moon phases.

 

[A_Thinker]

Like Elijah asked the children of Israel:

"And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the YHWH be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word."
- 1 Kings 18:21

The same principle applies here with the flat earth versus globe earth debate: either we believe the Bible on the description of the earth or we believe in man's description of the earth. Who will we trust about the earth, the Creator of the heavens, the earth, and the seas? or man who is but dust and ashes who was ignorant from the day of our creation and, brought death into the world through our disobedience?

Of course there are many among here and the world who are so puffed up with pride that they are not willing to humble themselves before God and admit their ignorance when it comes to His Word. God's Word is not difficult to understand to those who do not presume to have the answers to everything: this is the very sin which Adam and Eve committed in Eden, instead of humbling themselves before God in order to have knowledge of good and evil: they reached out and took that knowledge for themselves in their pride. From their story we may learn this about pride and humility:

The beginning of sin is pride. And the beginning of pride is the turning away from God.

The beginning of wisdom is humility. And the beginning of humility is the turning to God.

I wonder which side the OP and those who share his mind fall under?

The earth having four corners is not difficult to understand in its plain words: therefore the earth is a flat four sided two dimensional plane shape; the horizon of the seas is circular which means that it too is a two dimensional plane shape; and as Job and Isaiah say, the heavens are circular; and because Moses writes that the firmament is heaven and holds up the waters above to separate it from the waters below: it follows that the heavens are a solid dome; and we may prove this by observing the motion of the luminaries which travel in an arch path in the heavens, and the rainbow forms an arch as well: this is only possible in a clear solid dome structure.

The Bible nowhere says that the Earth is flat.

The Bible is full of colloquial metaphorical language like ... "the ends of the earth", "the four corners of the earth", "the pillars of the earth", etc.

Isaiah 40:22 says ... "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth; its dwellers are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to live in."

 

[JacksBratt]

Heliocentric model explains it easily.

Nobody has ever been able to postulate a flat earth model in which these 3 basic simple things work together (day and night, seasons, moon phases).

It says something.

Do some research.

 

[trophy33]

Do some research.

You do and then you can answer, if you find it.

 

[trophy33]

The Bible nowhere says that the Earth is flat.

The Bible is full of colloquial metaphorical language like ... "the ends of the earth", "the four corners of the earth", "the pillars of the earth", etc.

Isaiah 40:22 says ... "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth; its dwellers are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to live in."

There is no "bible is flat" verse in the bible, but many places clearly imply that the authors thought it is. If you believe in "every word is perfect", i.e. in some kind of automatic dictation and a perfect preservation, you really will have a problem with the modern knowledge.

 

[trophy33]

This is very well explained by the FE model. This has never been an issue for the FE people as this is one of the very first things necessary to be explained in order for the FE to work.

So explain it easily, go on.

 

[JacksBratt]

The Bible nowhere says that the Earth is flat.

The Bible is full of colloquial metaphorical language like ... "the ends of the earth", "the four corners of the earth", "the pillars of the earth", etc.

Isaiah 40:22 says ... "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth; its dwellers are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to live in."

The Bible, nowhere, says that the earth is a sphere, spinning, orbiting and moving through space.


You would think that, since we are orbiting the sun and the sun is also orbiting in the galaxy and that simple fact that all the stars in our sky are many many light years away at various distances...

That, after the earth moving through space for even a thousand years... all these constellations that are the subject of tales and lore... would have changed as the earth is in a very different place in the universe than it was 1000 year ago....

However, there they are... unchanged.