Can Christians eat pigs blood?

[Natsumi Lam]

I have a recipe for black pudding that uses 2 cups of pig blood. I was going to get some in a tube but I didn't know if Christians are bound to not eat blood?

Yes unless the Holy Spirit convicts you.

 

[mmksparbud]

Well, that's what it does say, quite explicitly. It's just that your doctrine needs for it to "mean" something else. So you just chop out a couple of lines and you're good to go. I'm content to leave it intact.

Yah--I prefer to leave it intact also--all of it. Arise and eat---3 times. which Peter never did. Also the fact that Peter said God showed him that no MAN was unclean-- which you want to ignore or throw out.

 

[mmksparbud]

Well, that's what it does say, quite explicitly. It's just that your doctrine needs for it to "mean" something else. So you just chop out a couple of lines and you're good to go. I'm content to leave it intact.

Adding to Scripture, are we?

"Arise, Peter, slay and eat". C'mon, let reality intrude at least part of the time.

God shows Peter pictures of lots of animals, and tells Peter to kill and eat them.
Peter says "Surely not, Lord! Nothing impure or unclean has ever entered my mouth."

Now if that isn't referring to food, St.Peter obviously thought it did, and God didn't correct him
God says ‘Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.’" Said so three times.

Then the Peter found that the three guy from Caesarea were there, and "The Spirit told me to have no hesitation about going with them. " Peter went with them. Their dad said an angel had told him to send for Peter. Peter preached to them, and they were filled with the Holy Spirit.

Peter concluded:"So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God’s way?"

Amen.

Two different things happening there. God saying, in effect, If I say it's clean, it's clean, be it a hog or a Gentile. Eat a ham sammich if you want to, and preach to Gentiles when I tell you to. I've got it all covered.

You can play "No, that's not what He really meant...", but that's just an attempt to keep the Bible from stepping on your doctrine. People do that a lot, but it's never a good thing.

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C'mon, You get real and at least face the fact that God told Peter that no MAN was unclean. Shut me up---Show me where it says that God showed him that no ANIMAL was unclean!! Show me where it says that Peter in his vision arose, slayed and ate. Act 11:10 And this was done three times: and all were drawn up again into heaven. No, he did not slay and eat.
You can play the game of "No that is not what it means" all you want. It says what it says and you can go right ahead and eat your ham sandwich it does not affect me one bit. When I come before God, He can say--well, you didn't have to take it that way. I don't want to hear---"I said what that meant, what more did you want?!

 

[JIMINZ]

Act 10:9-12
9) On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10) And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11) And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12) Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

So, there Peter is, up on a roof top, very hungry, God shows him a sheet full of all manner of animals, apparently unclean animals for a Jew.

Moving on, what we see is Peter says

Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

I think it would be advantageous at this point for everyone to understand the Definition of the word (COMMON) which was used by Peter, as being (CONTAMINATING) according to the Greek Text.

Then we find from the Strongs'

COMMON: Greek
G2839
κοινός
koinos
koy-nos'
Common, that is, (literally) shared by all or several, or (ceremonially) profane: - common, defiled, unclean, unholy.

So, when we hear Peter use the word Common in relation to what was in the sheet, he was referring to it being Profane, and therefore not fit for a Jew to eat, having understood that Peter knew what the Sheet full of Animals meant, otherwise the statement of Peter would never have been made.
End of debate.

 

[mmksparbud]

I fully understand you don't want to change the Word of God, but for the life of me I cannot figure out why you don't believe what the Word of God so clearly says.

But you can believe what you want---the scripture says that God showed Peter a sheet full of ANIMALS not MEN (Gentiles). But, whatever gets you what you want.

You keep insisting, just because Peter didn't eat, what God said about and did with the sheet automatically becomes null and void, but what Peter subsequently said at Cornelius' house is all that matters.

I don't think this discussion needs any further comments, your only teaching SDA Doctrine........End of Transmission.

Whjat part of this is not clear to you:Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

You want to teach others to disregard scripture---go ahead. You do not answer to me. Over and out.

 

[mmksparbud]

Act 10:9-12
9) On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10) And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11) And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12) Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.

So, there Peter is, up on a roof top, very hungry, God shows him a sheet full of all manner of animals, apparently unclean animals for a Jew.

Moving on, what we see is Peter says

Act 10:13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
Act 10:14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

I think it would be advantageous at this point for everyone to understand the Definition of the word (COMMON) which was used by Peter, being (Contaminating)

Then we find from the Strongs'

COMMON: Greek
G2839
κοινός
koinos
koy-nos'
Common, that is, (literally) shared by all or several, or (ceremonially) profane: - common, defiled, unclean, unholy.

Act 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

 

[Jipsah]

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[Jipsah]

Ah, I didn't notice the fact that you're SDA. Yeah, that's a hill you have to fight for, innit? Well, in the words of the Right Cantankerous Brother Buford: "Every Christian sect or denomination has doctrines so dearly held that the Bible cannot be allowed to damage them." He'd be pleased with your illustration.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

There are many verses that describe the Mosaic Law as being instructions for how to walk in God's ways, such as Deuteronomy 10:12-12, Isaiah 2:2-3, Joshua 22:5, Psalm 103:7, and many others, so the Law was primarily given as instructions for how to act in accordance with God's nature and to express His character traits, such as holiness, righteousness, goodness, justice, mercy, faithfulness, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, and self-control. Jesus expressed these character traits through his actions and what that looked like is complete obedience to the Mosaic Law, so that is what it looks like when he is living in us. Pointing out our sin has significance only insofar as it leads us to repent and back to walking in God's ways through faith.

Passing from death to life is about dying to living in sin and rising again to new newness of life in obedience to God's Law.

The Spirit is not in disagreement with the Father about which laws we should follow and will not lead us to disobey what He has commanded, but rather in Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey God's Law. In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have carnal minds who refuse to submit to God's Law. In Galatians 5:19-22, everything listed as caral works that are against the Spirit are also against the Mosaic Law, while all of the fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with it, so the Spirit teaches us to obey the Mosaic Law.

In Psalm 119:45, the Mosaic Law is described as a law of liberty, so that is what it has always been. The written code is not useful for the carnal mind because the carnal mind refuses to submit to it. In John 14:23-24, Jesus said that if we love him, then we will obey his teachings, if we don't love him, then we will not obey his teachings, and that his teachings were not his own, but that of the Father, so if we love Jesus, then we will obey what the Father has taught. He notably did not say that once we are mature enough, his teachings are no longer necessary.

I find the humans who originally encountered the Father when the commandments were given would disagree with you, go back to that prophecy.

The main difference is that the way things are now allow much more work to get done, which wasn't possible before. That's the main point, the old ways are inefficient as evidenced by scripture, so the new and improved ways are the way to go. I trust God provided all I need without needing to memorize a series of rules and follow them.

If all civilization is completely destroyed, and by some miracle I survive, the dietary laws provide some useful information for wilderness survival and starting up a new settlement. I recognize their use, but prioritize based on situation.

 

[mmksparbud]

Ah, I didn't notice the fact that you're SDA. Yeah, that's a hill you have to fight for, innit? Well, in the words of the Right Cantankerous Brother Buford: "Every Christian sect or denomination has doctrines so dearly held that the Bible cannot be allowed to damage them." He'd be pleased with your illustration.

True---that is why I put the bible above all--including my "sect." The bible alone has the truth, not any church.

 

[Soyeong]

I find the humans who originally encountered the Father when the commandments were given would disagree with you, go back to that prophecy.

I cited a lot of verses to support my position, so if you think that they would have disagreed, then please explain why.

The main difference is that the way things are now allow much more work to get done, which wasn't possible before. That's the main point, the old ways are inefficient as evidenced by scripture, so the new and improved ways are the way to go.

The Bible does not say anything about efficiency being relevant or about the Mosaic Law being inefficient, and if you think that this was evidenced by Scripture, then please cite it. The Mosaic straightforwardly did was it was given to do and did not do what it was not given to do. Everything taught in the NT is based on and in accordance with what was taught in the NT, so there is nothing that was improved. You can't have a better set of instructions for how to walk in God's ways without following a better God with better ways.

I trust God provided all I need without needing to memorize a series of rules and follow them.

In Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that faith is one of the weightier matters of the Law, so following it is about expressing our faith in God to guide us in how to rightly live. Living by faith is always associated with living in obedience to God's will, such as with the examples of saving faith listed in Hebrews 11, whereas disobedience to God's instructions is referred to as breaking faith, such as in Numbers 5:6. In James 2:17-18, he said that faith without works is dead and that he would show his faith by his works, so obedience to God's Law is what faith looks like, which is why Paul said in Romans 2:13 that it is only the doers of the Law who will be justified and not the hearers. Trusting God through refusing to follow His instructions is not a concept that is found anywhere in the Bible.

If all civilization is completely destroyed, and by some miracle I survive, the dietary laws provide some useful information for wilderness survival and starting up a new settlement. I recognize their use, but prioritize based on situation.

There are certainly night and day differences between how health it is to eat clean and unclean animals and there are an incredible amount of parasites and diseases that have been transferred to humans through eating unclean animals, so perhaps health had something to do with it. However, in 1 Peter 1:16, we are told to have a holy conduct for God is holy, which is a quote from Leviticus where God was giving instructions for how to have a holy conduct, which includes Leviticus 11:44-45, so God associated His holiness with refraining from eating unclean animals and following those instructions is about testifying to the holiness of our God. So there is much more to it than being survival information for starting up a new settlement.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Christians don't have dietary laws.

The Council of Jerusalem in Acts 15 forbade new converts from paganism to abstain from certain practices, which included consuming blood, but these prohibitions are all directly associated with ancient pagan customs. So unless your recipe for black pudding includes a spoonful of incense to offer in worship to Zeus or Aphrodite, you're in the clear.

-CryptoLutheran

Also, Jesus said it's not what you put into yourself that defiles you. There is a great Filipino dish I enjoy on occasion that is made with pig blood. I don't eat it often, but when I do, I relish it.

 

[Soyeong]

Also, Jesus said it's not what you put into yourself that defiles you. There is a great Filipino dish I enjoy on occasion that is made with pig blood. I don't eat it often, but when I do, I relish it.

Jesus should not be interpreted as turning around and even more hypocritically doing what he just finished criticizing the Pharisees as being hypocrites for doing, but rather he should be interpreted as continuing with the topic of conversation. The issue of whether followers of God should obey what He has commanded had nothing to do with what Jesus was speaking about and the thought of eating pork would not have even crossed their minds. Jews do not even consider pork to be food in the same way that eating vultures, bats, or rats does not come to your mind when you think about eating food.

 

[Dkh587]

Also, Jesus said it's not what you put into yourself that defiles you. There is a great Filipino dish I enjoy on occasion that is made with pig blood. I don't eat it often, but when I do, I relish it.

Christ was talking in the context of addressing the idea that dirty hands defile a man - at no point in the discussion were clean and unclean animals discussed.

God has made it clear throughout history that eating blood & unclean animals is abominable to him.

Please reconsider eating unclean animals, particularly their blood.

 

[Root of Jesse]

Christ was talking in the context of addressing the idea that dirty hands defile a man - at no point in the discussion were clean and unclean animals discussed.

God has made it clear throughout history that eating blood & unclean animals is abominable to him.

Please reconsider eating unclean animals, particularly their blood.

Why would God make an animal that Man wasn't meant to use? And why would God want us to waste part of one of His creations? It was Pharisaic law, not God's law. God had 10 Commandments, the Jews made 613.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I have a recipe for black pudding that uses 2 cups of pig blood. I was going to get some in a tube but I didn't know if Christians are bound to not eat blood?

Doesn't matter really, does it ? Why would anyone, Christian or not, use something so disgusting and so potentially sickness causing and/or associated with many problems physical, mental and spiritual ?

Right and Wrong

Hebrews 5:14 (NLT)Solid food is for those who are mature, who through training have the skill to recognize the difference between right and wrong.

 

[Dkh587]

Why would God make an animal that Man wasn't meant to use? And why would God want us to waste part of one of His creations? It was Pharisaic law, not God's law. God had 10 Commandments, the Jews made 613.

That was God’s decision, not mine. Humans were not even given permission to eat animals until after the flood.

Humans and animals originally ate plants, and then permission was given to eat clean animals, which are listed in Leviticus 11

Btw, Leviticus 11 is not from the Pharisees. Do you read the “Old Testament”?

 

[Root of Jesse]

Doesn't matter really, does it ? Why would anyone, Christian or not, use something so disgusting and so potentially sickness causing and/or associated with many problems physical, mental and spiritual ?

Right and Wrong

Hebrews 5:14 (NLT)Solid food is for those who are mature, who through training have the skill to recognize the difference between right and wrong.

Pig's blood curd is rich in riboflavin, vitamin C, protein, iron, phosphorus, calcium, niacin and other minerals.

 

[Root of Jesse]

That was God’s decision, not mine. Humans were not even given permission to eat animals until after the flood.

Humans and animals originally ate plants, and then permission was given to eat clean animals, which are listed in Leviticus 11

Btw, Leviticus 11 is not from the Pharisees. Do you read the “Old Testament”?

Sorry, I meant Levitical priesthood. The Pharisees were the enforcers.

 

[Root of Jesse]

That was God’s decision, not mine. Humans were not even given permission to eat animals until after the flood.

I don't see that detail in the book of Genesis.

Humans and animals originally ate plants, and then permission was given to eat clean animals, which are listed in Leviticus 11

Btw, Leviticus 11 is not from the Pharisees. Do you read the “Old Testament”?

Jesus told us the important commandments-Love God, and love your neighbor. He made the complex, 613 laws, simple.