How to identify the AC in the book of Revelation using the book of Daniel!

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Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Here a ten horned beast arises and after it rises the little horn who takes control of this ten horned kingdom.


Who do you think the little horn is in Revelation? The same guy that arises AFTER the ten horned beast rises up.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Same beast Daniel described but with the added 7 heads.


Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.


And here comes the little horn just like it is in Daniel.

Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast.

Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast.

Neither book uses the term "Antichrist" but we know that same person is found in both books under a different name. Isn't it clear that the little horn and FP are the AC?

Same "players" and same order of appearance.

little horn = false prophet = antichrist.
 
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Mat 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


Jesus was a true Christ and a true prophet so one person can be both Christ and a prophet. The Antichrist will also claim to be Christ but be a false christ, and he will be a false prophet as well. Here Jesus warns that in the end times there will be "great signs and wonders". Compare that to what is said about the false prophet of Rev 13:

Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
Rev 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
Rev 13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.


"he doeth great wonders" "miracles which he had power to do"


In the end times, during the tribulation, Jesus said false christs and false prophets "shall shew great signs and wonders" and Revelation says about the false prophet, "he doeth great wonders" "miracles which he had power to do".

Jesus was speaking of the false prophet of Revelation as being an Antichrist which makes him The Antichrist.
 
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little horn = false prophet = antichrist.
No, ewq, you have that wrong.

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Three different individuals.
1. the dragon - Satan
2. the beast
3. the false prophet

little horn > Prince who shall come > Antichrist > revealed man of sin > beast

Jesus was a true Christ and a true prophet so one person can be both Christ and a prophet. The Antichrist will also claim to be Christ but be a false christ, and he will be a false prophet as well. Here Jesus warns that in the end times there will be "great signs and wonders". Compare that to what is said about the false prophet of Rev 13:
He will not claim to be Jesus (the) Christ though. The person will be instead of and against Jesus the true Christ. That is, "Anti" Christ.

The Christ, the messiah, was the one who, God had promised to Israel to be their King. Zechariah 9:9 equating to John 12:12-13, Mark 11:4-10. The King of Israel. Christ the King of Israel, Mark 15:32.

The Antichrist is the another who the Jews will embrace as that King of Israel. To become the King of Israel, the Jews, Judaism, believe that the person has to be anointed by a known prophet.

Since they also are looking for Elijah to come right before the messianic age, the false prophet will likely claim to be Elijah, who btw called fire down from heaven, who will anoint the person the King of Israel, making that person the Antichrist.
 
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Dan 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Dan 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Here a ten horned beast arises and after it rises the little horn who takes control of this ten horned kingdom.


Who do you think the little horn is in Revelation? The same guy that arises AFTER the ten horned beast rises up.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Same beast Daniel described but with the added 7 heads.


Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
Rev 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.


And here comes the little horn just like it is in Daniel.

Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast.

Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast.

Neither book uses the term "Antichrist" but we know that same person is found in both books under a different name. Isn't it clear that the little horn and FP are the AC?

Same "players" and same order of appearance.

little horn = false prophet = antichrist.

Behold in the night visions, a fourth beast, coming on the scene as the last empire, of fierceness, and strong, and it had teeth, symbolizing conquest's lust.

It ate, feeding on whatever it could get, and stamped the residue, whatever it couldn't eat, with its feet, bent on annihilating all that stood in its way.

And it was diverse from the beasts that were before it, so that the animal kingdom could furnish no similar beast. And it had 10 horns, giving power's impression.
 
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No, ewq, you have that wrong.

Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Three different individuals.
1. the dragon - Satan
2. the beast
3. the false prophet

little horn > Prince who shall come > Antichrist > revealed man of sin > beast

Almost correct. This is the correct one:


little horn > Prince who shall come > Antichrist > revealed man of sin > second beast
 
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Almost correct. This is the correct one:


little horn > Prince who shall come > Antichrist > revealed man of sin > second beast
Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Three different individuals.
1. the dragon - Satan
2. the beast (the first beast)
3. the false prophet (the second beast)

The false prophet (the second beast) will like claim to be Elijah the prophet, who called fire down from heaven.


little horn > Prince who shall come > Antichrist > revealed man of sin > (first) beast
 
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I don't believe there is an anti-christ in Daniel. And I think Daniel 9 is talking about the death of a high priest taking place when the temple is destroyed. In Josephus, we find that the rebels who rebelled against Rome had their own claimant to the high priesthood which differed from the Roman appointee to the position, and that a few days after the temple was burned down he emerged from a trap door and was cut down by the sword. I think that's what Daniel meant by "an anointed one being cut off" i.e. an anointed high priest being killed. So I don't believe anything in Daniel 9 is outstanding to still be fulfilled. And I consider the interpretation that Daniel 9 is about an anti-christ and some peace treaty to be a weirdo interpretation, as it literally uses the word anointed not anti-anointed and speaks of a covenant not a peace treaty.

And all the stuff about the beasts with horns and so on, I think had to do with the Empire of Alexander's generals, like Antiochus Ephipanes, and is not something yet to come.
 
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I think that's what Daniel meant by "an anointed one being cut off" i.e. an anointed high priest being killed. So I don't believe anything in Daniel 9 is outstanding to still be fulfilled. And I consider the interpretation that Daniel 9 is about an anti-christ and some peace treaty to be a weirdo interpretation, as it literally uses the word anointed not anti-anointed and speaks of a covenant not a peace treaty.
David, what high priest was cut off, but not for himself?

Are you aware that Moses made a law requiring that all future leaders of Israel to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant, from the place of God's choosing (the temple mount), by making a big speech to the nation of Israel, that God gave the land of Israel to the children of Israel as their forever. On a 7 year cycle?

It is in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.
 
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David, what high priest was cut off, but not for himself?

Are you aware that Moses made a law requiring that all future leaders of Israel to confirm the Mt. Sinai covenant, from the place of God's choosing (the temple mount), by making a big speech to the nation of Israel, that God gave the land of Israel to the children of Israel as their forever. On a 7 year cycle?

It is in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

What does any of what you said have to do with anything? If the rebel faction high priest was killed, as Josephus shows he was, in a sense it was not for himself but for the rebellion faction. I don't really understand what you're getting at or what you're asking.
 
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Revelation 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Three different individuals.
1. the dragon - Satan
2. the beast (the first beast)
3. the false prophet (the second beast)

Number two is an empire not an individual. It is a beast equal to the 4th beast of Daniel. What would you say to someone who constantly said Daniels 4th beast was the AC and the little horn was just his sidekick? That's what you are doing with the beast empire of Rev 13. You keep seeing the AC there when it's always the person that shows up after the empire beast. Number two is ten kingdoms within 7 mountains...that's not the AC that's his empire he rules over.

The false prophet (the second beast) will like claim to be Elijah the prophet, who called fire down from heaven.

little horn > Prince who shall come > Antichrist > revealed man of sin > (first) beast

little horn > Prince who shall come > Antichrist > revealed man of sin > (second) beast

This is the first beast:

Daniels 4th ten horned beast > Rev13:1's ten horned beast > ten kingdoms and 7 mountains > (first)beast
 
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What does any of what you said have to do with anything? If the rebel faction high priest was killed, as Josephus shows he was, in a sense it was not for himself but for the rebellion faction. I don't really understand what you're getting at or what you're asking.
Jesus died not for his own sins, as he had none, but for the sins of mankind, so that we can be saved, making an end of sins's power to eternally separate us from God.

The reason for the 70 weeks is

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

The rebel faction high priest's death was not associated with any of those things in Daniel 9:24.
 
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Jesus died not for his own sins, as he had none, but for the sins of mankind, so that we can be saved, making an end of sins's power to eternally separate us from God.

The reason for the 70 weeks is

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

The rebel faction high priest's death was not associated with any of those things in Daniel 9:24.

If you interpret the anointed one in Daniel 9 as Jesus, ok, I'm not going to argue with you. But there are many who try and turn the anointed one in Daniel 9 into the antichrist, and that's what I was responding against. For those who can't believe the anointed one in Daniel 9 is Jesus, they should believe its the rebellion's high priest who was killed by the Romans in 70 AD. Or if they can't believe that, then believe it was the Roman-appointed high priest and that being cut off means losing his job rather than being killed (i.e. that he would lose his job by the temple being destroyed). Because to turn anointed one into anti-anointed one, is quite frankly stupid.
 
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Number two is an empire not an individual. It is a beast equal to the 4th beast of Daniel.
The beast in Revelation 13 is both a empire and an individual. The fourth beast in Daniel 4 is an empire and a person.

Daniel 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
What would you say to someone who constantly said Daniels 4th beast was the AC and the little horn was just his sidekick?
I would say the foruth beast in Daniel 7 is the fourth kingdom (empire) that little horn and the ten kings come out of. Because that is what it says in the text.

It also says in the text that four beasts are four kings. One of which is the little horn person.

It is this simple:
fourth kingdom - the Roman Empire
fourth kingdom in the end times - the EU.
The ten kings are ten EU leaders
The little horn is the EU leader over them.

What will likely happen is ten leaders of the EU will vote to elect a leader of the EU. Three of them don't vote in favor of the little horn. So when the little horn is voted in by a majority of 7 to 3, he removes the 3 kings from their office.

That's what you are doing with the beast empire of Rev 13. You keep seeing the AC there when it's always the person that shows up after the empire beast. Number two is ten kingdoms within 7 mountains...that's not the AC that's his empire he rules over.
No, your assessment is not even remotely close to what I have been saying.

I have been saying the beast in Revelation 13 and throughout is a person, who's kingdom is the fourth empire of Daniel 7 in the end times.

The person starts out as the leader of the EU, then after Gog/Magog is the King of Israel for a while.

Then he claims to be God, impeached from being the King of Israel; is killed/brought back to life as the first beast in Revelation 13, and reverts to his power base the EU and the ten kings.
 
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If you interpret the anointed one in Daniel 9 as Jesus, ok, I'm not going to argue with you. But there are many who try and turn the anointed one in Daniel 9 into the antichrist, and that's what I was responding against. For those who can't believe the anointed one in Daniel 9 is Jesus, they should believe its the rebellion's high priest who was killed by the Romans in 70 AD. Because to turn anointed one into anti-anointed one, is quite frankly stupid.
david, what I think you are hearing is that people say the prince who shall come (that anointed) is the forthcoming Antichrist, to show up in the end times.


The Jews (Judaism) who I have had a lot of discussion with on the anointed cutoff, but not for himself - they like to claim that person is referring to a high priest killed in the first century. In order to avoid admitting it was Jesus.

Regarding the prince who shall come anointed - the Jews (Judaism) like to claim that is referring to Titus.

Jesus - the anointed one cutoff, but not for himself
the Antichrist person - the prince who shall come from the people who destroyed city and sanctuary: that is he will be a Roman in some way.
 
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The beast in Revelation 13 is both a empire and an individual. The fourth beast in Daniel 4 is an empire and a person.

Neither beast is a person. Only the little horn and the fp are persons. The beasts mentioned before them is the empire the persons rule over.


Daniel 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

I would say the foruth beast in Daniel 7 is the fourth kingdom (empire) that little horn and the ten kings come out of. Because that is what it says in the text.

Guess what? The exact same thing is repeated in Rev 13, you just are adding one more person when the text doesn't.

In both Daniel and Rev, there is a beast empire with ten horns, and a single person comes after who is the leader of the beast. Never in either situation is there a second person who is second in command to the leader of the beast.


Look how simple it is:

Daniel - ten horned beast arises, little horn comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast.

Revelation - ten horned beast arises, false prophet comes next and is the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast.

You have Rev differently than the text presents. This is what you are saying:

Revelation - ten horned beast arises, somehow there is a person also involved the text doesn't mention, then you have false prophet who is not the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast.

That's not what Rev 13 presents.
 
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david, what I think you are hearing is that people say the prince who shall come (that anointed) is the forthcoming Antichrist, to show up in the end times.


The Jews (Judaism) who I have had a lot of discussion with on the anointed cutoff, but not for himself - they like to claim that person is referring to a high priest killed in the first century. In order to avoid admitting it was Jesus.

It does seem to me also that its a high priest killed during the destruction of the temple, because it doesn't say a Messiah will be cut off and then 40 years later the temple will be destroyed, but seems to be saying the destruction of the temple and the cutting off of this anointed one happen together.

Regarding the prince who shall come anointed - the Jews (Judaism) like to claim that is referring to Titus.

I think they're right. And if your interpretation that its about Jesus is right (and I used to hold that interpretation myself) then it would still be Titus that is the prince to come in that context. Because the prince is clearly the one in charge of destroying the temple, and that was Titus.

Jesus - the anointed one cutoff, but not for himself

But 40 years too early for it to be talking about him I think. The rebellion's high priest was also killed not for himself but because of the rebellion.

the Antichrist person - the prince who shall come from the people who destroyed city and sanctuary: that is he will be a Roman in some way.

Its absurd to connect the prince with antichrist because no antichrist is mentioned in context. Its an absurd modern sophistry, probably started by someone kinda crazy like Hal Lindsey. Not only that, but the prince clearly is the one who destroyed the temple or had his people destroy it, contextually.
 
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This is what you are saying:

Revelation - ten horned beast arises, somehow there is a person also involved the text doesn't mention, then you have false prophet who is not the person of authority and power over the ten horned beast.
I am saying that a beast with ten horns and seven heads rises out of the sea.

1. The beast is a kingdom, the EU, which is the Romane Empire in the times. The composite makeup of the beast - i.e. the lion, bear, leopard means the EU, with 42 months left in the 7 years, will have gained control of the territory on held by the three ancient empires.

2. The beast is a person.


No I do not have the false prophet, the second beast the one coming out over the earth, as any kind of king. The false prophet is a false prophet, a false Elijah.


The false prophet exercises the power of the first beast - because the first beast, the person, claims to be God. It is a copy cat version of Elijah the prophet, exercising the power of God, to call down fire from heaven.
 
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I think they're right. And if your interpretation that its about Jesus is right (and I used to hold that interpretation myself) then it would still be Titus that is the prince to come in that context. Because the prince is clearly the one in charge of destroying the temple, and that was Titus.
Well that person stops the daily sacrifice, which the little horn person in Daniel 8:12-13 does. Which that vision is for the time of the end in Daniel 8:17.

It doesn't say the prince is the one in charge of destroying the temple. But that he will be from the people who do. I am reading from the KJV. What version are you reading from?
 
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2. The beast is a person.

No person is ten kingdoms within 7 mountains. The beast is an empire. The person is the second beast. Exactly as we find in Daniel 7. You get Daniel 7 right, but somehow you can't see the same thing in Rev 13.
 
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Its absurd to connect the prince with antichrist because no antichrist is mentioned in context. Its an absurd modern sophistry, probably started by someone kinda crazy like Hal Lindsey. Not only that, but the prince clearly is the one who destroyed the temple or had his people destroy it, contextually.
david, the term antichrist is not found anywhere in the Tanach, old testament in Christian language. It is a new testament term.

Being the "prince who shall come" gives information about how the person "becomes" the Antichrist. It goes back to the little horn person in Daniel 8:9, who heads to the middle east, toward Israel with a strong army.

Becoming the Antichrist is one role of the person on his way to his destruction. It is actually better to refer to the person as the arch villain of the end times, because he goes through a series of roles.

The two main roles are:

(1) being the king of the Roman Empire in the end times, the EU. (as the little horn, and beast)
(2) being the king of Israel for a while. (as the Antichrist)


The prince of who shall come role is a transitional role to becoming the Antichrist, King of Israel (instead of and against Jesus the rightful King of Israel).

Once the person has become the Antichrist, he goes through another transitional role, that of being the revealed man of sin, 2Thessalonians2:3-4. Which ends his times as the King of Israel, the Antichrist.

The revealed man of sin role transitions him into becoming the beast in Revelation.
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david, it took me 5 minutes to type this. It took 50 years to know what to type.

Begins as the little horn*
then as the prince who shall come (transitional role)
then as the Antichrist**
then as the revealed man of sin (transitional role)
then as the beast***

* King of the Roman Empire (7th king of the Julio-Claudian blood line)
** King of Israel
*** King of the Roman Empire (8th king of the Julio-Claudian blood line)
 
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