What is required for a BAC to be acceptable to God?

[JLB777]

Was this your question, bro'?

Great to have you with us!

This my answer to The question of the title.


What is required for a BAC to be acceptable to God?


Answer:

A Born again Christian must walk according to the Spirit, which is another way of saying “walking in the truth”, which also means practicing righteousness.


All these expressions boil down to obeying Christ.


His Gospel
His Commandments
His Doctrine


As a born again Christian, Jesus is our Lord.



“But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? Luke 6:46




This is just a long winded way of saying...





Love God and love our neighbor.



JLB

 

[FreeGrace2]

Again, you have nothing but opinion and rhetoric to express, in the face of the truth.

This is really funny.

If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6

Since Jesus was extremely clear about the fact that recipients of eternal life shall never perish in John 10:28, that means IF IF IF John 15:6 means that murder results in loss of eternal life, then all you've done is PROVE that Jesus is a LIAR.

Congratulations.

 

[JLB777]

This is really funny.


Since Jesus was extremely clear about the fact that recipients of eternal life shall never perish in John 10:28, that means IF IF IF John 15:6 means that murder results in loss of eternal life, then all you've done is PROVE that Jesus is a LIAR.

Congratulations.

Still no scriptures from you.


Just your opinion, tagged with scripture references.


Now your claiming Jesus is a liar.


Not good.


Please repent.



If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6




JLB

 

[FreeGrace2]

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

Still no scriptures from you.

The truth is not in you.

Just your opinion, tagged with scripture references.

John 10:28 is clear enough for any rational person. Those given eternal life by Jesus shall never perish.

Which you don't believe.

Now your claiming Jesus is a liar.

Proof that you either don't read my posts, or you can't understand simple English.

If John 15:6 means murder results in loss of eternal life, then YOU are trying to prove that Jesus is a LIAR.

Not good.

No, it's definitely not good.

Please repent.

Look in a mirror when you say that.

If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6

Again, IF IF IF IF IF this verse means that murder results in loss of eternal life, then you've PROVEN that Jesus LIES.

That is evil.

John 10:27
My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.

This verse describes Jesus policy regarding believers (His sheep). It's not a statement of reality, but policy. Just like the sign on the restroom door in restaurants that says:
"Employees will wash their hands"

yeah, as if all employees actually do wash their hands.

John 10:28
I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

This verse tells us the CAUSE of possessing eternal life, which is Jesus Christ.

This verse also tells us the EFFECT of possessing eternal life; which is never perishing.

What v.28 doesn't say, but this poster desperately wishes it did say is:

I give them eternal life, and as long as...or IF, or unless they DON'T murder or (fill in the blank), they shall never perish.

Since v.28 doesn't give any conditions for recipients to meet in order to never perish, we know that there are no conditions.

 

[JLB777]

I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.

Here’s the truth.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6



Here’s how we are to abide in Him.



Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24




JLB

 

[FreeGrace2]

Here’s the truth.

No, here's the truth:

I'll explain the truth of Scripture.

Those who are IN Christ cannot be removed from Christ. That is absurd and quite unbiblical.

Eph 1:13,14
13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit,
14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

This is what we KNOW from these 2 verses:

1. those who have believed "were included IN Christ".
2. those who have believed "were marked IN Him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit.
3. the Holy Spirit is a deposit which GUARANTEES our inheritance (in heaven, where else?).
4. This GUARANTEE is for the "redemption of those who are God's possession"; iow, those who have been marked with a seal, the indwelling Holy Spirit.

From these 2 verses, we KNOW that it is totally impossible for anyone who has been sealed with the Holy Spirit to ever be removed from Christ, since the indwelling Holy Spirit GUARANTEES our inheritance as God's possession.

Boom.

 

[BCsenior]

If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6

Yes, JLB ... but people need to understand
just what "abiding in Jesus" actually means.

Which you gave later in the thread ...
"Now he who keeps His commandments
abides in Him, and He in him." 1 John 3:24

Then, of course, we have countless other NT verses
... such as my signature below ... which states that
being slaves of habitual sin leads to eternal death!

 

[JLB777]

Yes, JLB ... but people need to understand
just what "abiding in Jesus" actually means.

Which you gave later in the thread ...
"Now he who keeps His commandments
abides in Him, and He in him." 1 John 3:24

Then, of course, we have countless other NT verses
... such as my signature below ... which states that
being slaves of habitual sin leads to eternal death!

A branch that is connected to the Vine in relationship, draws its life from the life of the Vine.


As long as we are in Christ, we have access to the eternal life that is only found in Him.


Those branches that are fruitful, remain in Him, and those who are not are removed from Him.


Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit.
John 15:2



The fruit that we are to produce is love.


Those who practice sin, practice hate.


Hate for God, and hate for their neighbor.


That’s why He says those who keep His commandments abide in Him.


His commandments are about love.


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3




JLB

 

[bbbbbbb]

I come from a family of gardeners. Both my grandmother and father had grape vines. Never in their entire experience did they observe any effort on the part of the branches to produce grapes.

 

[BCsenior]

I come from a family of gardeners. Both my grandmother and father had grape vines. Never in their entire experience did they observe any effort on the part of the branches to produce grapes.

You might agree with me that the whole functioning
of the human body is an incredible miracle.
Ditto for the functioning of all of God's creation.
Including fruit trees.
For a branch to produce fruit is a miracle of sorts.
IMO.
For a BAC to produce fruit is a miracle of sorts.
It's only possible through the precious Holy Spirit.
And the BAC doing his/her part, of course.

 

[bbbbbbb]

You might agree with me that the whole functioning
of the human body is an incredible miracle.
Ditto for the functioning of all of God's creation.
Including fruit trees.
For a branch to produce fruit is a miracle of sorts.
IMO.
For a BAC to produce fruit is a miracle of sorts.
It's only possible through the precious Holy Spirit.
And the BAC doing his/her part, of course.

I have no idea as to how a branch can "do his part" to bear fruit. It doesn't happen in nature. The branch bears fruit because it is a vital part of the tree or vine. Without the tree or vine which bears it a branch is just another stick of firewood. That stick is not good for much and certainly can't do it's part to bear any fruit.

 

[JLB777]

I have no idea as to how a branch can "do his part" to bear fruit.

Remain connected to the Vine.




JLB

 

[bbbbbbb]

Remain connected to the Vine.
JLB

I have yet to observe any branch that does anything to remain connected to the vine. I have observed, however, dead branches which were removed, not because they failed in their effort to remain connected to the tree, but simply because their sap supply from the tree had ceased for one reason or another.

 

[FreeGrace2]

bbbbbbb said: ↑
I have no idea as to how a branch can "do his part" to bear fruit.

Remain connected to the Vine.

How does a branch even make a decision to either "remain connected" to the vine, or to "disconnect from the vine".

Have you ever seen a branch faced with this decision?

 

[BCsenior]

I have no idea as to how a branch can "do his part" to bear fruit. It doesn't happen in nature. The branch bears fruit because it is a vital part of the tree or vine. Without the tree or vine which bears it a branch is just another stick of firewood. That stick is not good for much and certainly can't do it's part to bear any fruit.

Okay, okay ... Jesus is wrong, and you're right.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Okay, okay ... Jesus is wrong, and you're right.

What makes Jesus wrong and me right? He provides a descriptive analogy which is true in nature and is true spiritually. I happen to agree with Him. Any branch that does not bear fruit is cut off and burned, not because it didn't try hard enough to bear fruit, but simply because it ceased bearing fruit.

 

[BCsenior]

What makes Jesus wrong and me right?

You're the horticultural expert, not me.

 

[bbbbbbb]

You're the horticultural expert, not me.

Right. Now, back to the discussion. All that God requires is faith in Jesus Christ. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

[BCsenior]

Right. Now, back to the discussion. All that God requires is faith in Jesus Christ. Nothing more and nothing less.

Agreed, this is all very exciting!
Except ...
What are you going to do with all of those pesky little
NT verses that warn about believers losing salvation?

Oh yes, silly me, I forgot ... ignore and/or reject them!
Yes, that's it.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Agreed, this is all very exciting!
Except ...
What are you going to do with all of those pesky little
NT verses that warn about believers losing salvation?

Oh yes, silly me, I forgot ... ignore and/or reject them!
Yes, that's it.

No, I actually read them and read them in their context rather than plucking them out of context and throwing them in the faces of those who don't see things my way.