Is Continuationism or Cessationism a hard doctrine to prove?

[JAL]

It says scripture is better because it is not of private interpretation as the gifts were.

So the Lord consigned the prophet to (fallible?) private interpretation. Poor guy, right? Because if he got it wrong, the Lord stoned him for it.

Oh wait a minute. That same (fallible?) gift of inspiration was used to write Scripture. In that case, I guess Scripture is fallible too.

 

[JAL]

Plus we can compare today's gifts with the originals and prove they are phony.

No, you can't. Sola Scriptura bases doctrine on SCRIPTURE, not on flawed inferences drawn from empirical comparisons. And the existence of a counterfeit doesn't rule out the possibility of the real thing.

Time and again, your conclusions are conjectures far too unsupported, far too random, and far too bogus.

 

[StrivingFollower]

No, you can't. Sola Scriptura bases doctrine on SCRIPTURE, not on flawed inferences drawn from empirical comparisons. And the existence of a counterfeit doesn't rule out the possibility of the real thing.

Time and again, your conclusions are conjectures far too unsupported, far too random, and far too bogus.

Seriously, look at how fallen this world is. Satan is excellent at leading us astray. And these guys want to simplify the fight and say "see, see, it's fake. I saw the video!" As if we don't live in a world that tries to monetize everything. And those that worship mammon will do anything for Satan. Unknowingly or knowingly.

The guys doing miracles win God's respect with humility, not by putting on circus act after circus act, so those with faith problems can maybe scratch at the truth.

 

[NBB]

You might want to check out posts 3 and 5 on this thread.

Ok, i read that, i disagree a bit, the breath of God could be spiritual too, and Jesus blowing on them is just to accompany what was being done spiritually, i think God is spirit, because for example, he created the universe from nothing, and something physical can't create as far i as know other matter, i don't know if there is something in the universe that can create particles or atoms, i don't think so, physical things can only be transformed.

The REALITY IS WE KNOW LITTLE about these things, but i agree with the general teaching that God is spirit.
Something made of matter deteriorates, the spirit is eternal.

I don't say im right you are wrong type of conversation here, its just that thinking about God as something physical gives me a bad feel i don't know.
I like to think that something spiritual has power over the physical, how? nobody seems to know.

When Paul is talking about our ressurected bodies, he says we plant physical body and we are going to get an spiritual body, so there is a difference between them,

You have the idea that an spiritual body is some sort of 'advanced' 'matter'? i don't think so, i think is an eternal spiritual body.

 

[Saint Steven]

1) the two outpourings. 2) the hands of an apostle.

apostle (small a) ???
Does that include Ananias?

Your addition of the two outpourings is actually a workaround.
The two outpourings prove that the Apostles are not needed to administer.

 

[Dave L]

apostle (small a) ???
Does that include Ananias?

Your addition of the two outpourings is actually a workaround.
The two outpourings prove that the Apostles are not needed to administer.

There were several apostles not included in the inner circle. Matthias who replaced Judas etc. What were his qualifications? This is why no apostles exist since the inner circle died off.

 

[Saint Steven]

Tongues needed to be interpreted, bias and all. Prophecy was not as direct as scripture which was God breathed.

Scripture was prophecy, just written down. Therefore God-breathed.

 

[Dave L]

Scripture was prophecy, just written down. Therefore God-breathed.

But also in the writing and choice of words.

 

[Saint Steven]

You are ignoring other scriptures to prove your point.

That doesn't explain why you are rejecting what 1Cor.12 says about the Holy Spirit distributing the gifts.

 

[Dave L]

That doesn't explain why you are rejecting what 1Cor.12 says about the Holy Spirit distributing the gifts.

Because Paul said it was through his hands he would dispense them to the Romans.

 

[Saint Steven]

But also in the writing and choice of words.

God-breathed is God-breathed. Whether written down or not.

 

[Dave L]

God-breathed is God-breathed. Whether written down or not.

But today's attempts are far less than God breathed. And no doubt worse.

 

[Saint Steven]

Because Paul said it was through his hands he would dispense them to the Romans.

He did not say that to limit the way gifts are distributed.

 

[Dave L]

He did not say that to limit the way gifts are distributed.

Scripture furnishes no other means.

 

[Saint Steven]

But today's attempts are far less than God breathed. And no doubt worse.

I think you misunderstand the role of prophecy today.

1 Corinthians 14:3
But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort.

 

[Dave L]

I think you misunderstand the role of prophecy today.

1 Corinthians 14:3
But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort.

He who reads the bible derives the same.

 

[Saint Steven]

Scripture furnishes no other means.

Seriously?
Did you tear 1Cor.12 out of your Bible?

 

[Saint Steven]

He who reads the bible derives the same.

There is no rhema in logos.
Which is more strengthening, encouraging and comforting?
To know that God cares for everyone in general, or to know God cares for you personally in a specific area of your life?

 

[Saint Steven]

There were several apostles not included in the inner circle. Matthias who replaced Judas etc. What were his qualifications? This is why no apostles exist since the inner circle died off.

I think you (collectively) have elevated the Apostles above what God intended.

 

[JAL]

He who reads the bible derives the same.

The written Word is not on a par with - not even in the same ballpark with - the divine Word, the Unction/Anointing who descended time and again on the prophets.

Consider for example the joy of the Lord. Can you obtain this joy exegetically? Hardly.

Similarly the sort of encouragement that Paul's crediting to prophecy at 1Cor 14 - for example the sort of experience I described at post 321 - isn't provided by the written Word.