Battle of Dual Covenant Theology and the Charge of "Replacement Theology"

[LittleLambofJesus]

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Ok. What was ready to pass away?

The second temple.

The New Covenant had already been put into effect at Calvary, as confirmed by Matthew 26:28, and John 19:30, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 7:12, and Hebrews 8:6, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:18-24.
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That temple and city is shown in Revelation.
Convincing dispenationalist futurist of their error is like spitting in the wind.
I know, because I battled that futurist doctrine for years until I started delving more deeply into Revelation and it's link to the Olivet Discourse.

You futurists should try it sometime, just as partial preterists have......

The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

Matthew 23:
37 - “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!
38 Behold! the House of ye is being left desolate<2048>
Luke 13:
34 - “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her!
35 Behold! the House of ye is being left desolate<2048>,

Revelation 18:19
And they cast dust upon their heads and cried out, lamenting and mourning, saying "woe! woe! the City, the great, in which are rich all the ones having the ships in the sea out of the preciousness of Her,
that to one hour She was desolated<2049>

 

[BABerean2]

The proper query should be: does the OT use the term Ephraim as well as Israel, Jacob, and Joseph as proper appellations for the northern nation? The answer is a resounding yes. 2 Chronicles 25:7; Isaiah 7:17, 11:13; Ezekiel 37:19 to name a few.

Is the New Covenant fulfilled with both the House of Israel, and the House of Judah during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18?

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[Jerryhuerta]

Is the New Covenant fulfilled with both the House of Israel, and the House of Judah during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18?

Christ's body released both houses of Israel from the Old Covenant (Romans 7:1-4) so that individuals from both houses can come to Christ under the New Covenant. Even so, the kingdom of God was taken from Judah and given to Ephraim.

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (Matthew 21:43)​

The administration of the house of God changed hands. This explains the enmity between the houses that God ordained in Zechariah 11:14 when Christ rejected Judah.

 

[jgr]

Christ's body released both houses of Israel from the Old Covenant (Romans 7:1-4) so that individuals from both houses can come to Christ under the New Covenant. Even so, the kingdom of God was taken from Judah and given to Ephraim.

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (Matthew 21:43)​

The administration of the house of God changed hands. This explains the enmity between the houses that God ordained in Zechariah 11:14 when Christ rejected Judah.

From the elaboration on the Greek:

Strong's Concordance
ethnos: a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.)
Original Word: ἔθνος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ethnos
Phonetic Spelling: (eth'-nos)
Definition: a race, a nation, the nations (as distinct from Israel)
Usage: a race, people, nation; the nations, heathen world, Gentiles.

HELPS Word-studies
1484 éthnos (from ethō, "forming a custom, culture") – properly, people joined by practicing similar customs or common culture; nation(s), usually referring to unbelieving Gentiles (non-Jews).

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
3. race, nation: Matthew 21:43

There is no reference in the Greek, explicit or implicit, to Ephraim or tribal Israel. The historical understanding of “ethnos” in Matthew 21:43 and 1 Peter 2:9 has been to either the Church or the Gentiles.

Ephraim or tribal Israel is unseen or excluded in these passages.

 

[BABerean2]

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[Jerryhuerta]

From the elaboration on the Greek:

Strong's Concordance
ethnos: a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.)
Original Word: ἔθνος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ethnos
Phonetic Spelling: (eth'-nos)
Definition: a race, a nation, the nations (as distinct from Israel)
Usage: a race, people, nation; the nations, heathen world, Gentiles.

HELPS Word-studies
1484 éthnos (from ethō, "forming a custom, culture") – properly, people joined by practicing similar customs or common culture; nation(s), usually referring to unbelieving Gentiles (non-Jews).

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
3. race, nation: Matthew 21:43

There is no reference in the Greek, explicit or implicit, to Ephraim or tribal Israel. The historical understanding of “ethnos” in Matthew 21:43 and 1 Peter 2:9 has been to either the Church or the Gentiles.

Ephraim or tribal Israel is unseen or excluded in these passages.

The historical understanding, or Replacement theology, doesn't have the scriptural foundation that Ephraim has. It lacks the grammatical-historical hermeneutic. It has the Old and New Testaments at odds with each other. It disregards or spiritualizes the Old Testament. In the historical perception, the Church and the Gentiles are appellations that are theological nonsequiturs; the Church is comprised of people from all nations; it is not a nation, singular. Only the theological perception that Ephraim is the nation bearing the fruit has the true scriptural backing.

Paul declared the fulfillment of Isaiah 54:1 in Galatians 4:27, but the historical perception refuses to deal with the grammatical-historical implications. The grammatical-historical intent of Isaiah’s initial prophecy was that the divorced, barren, desolate and widowhood circumstance of the ten northern tribes would not continue, but in the future their circumstance would be reversed and it would be the nation that inherits the gentiles, verse 3, which inaugurates the promise to Abraham that in him “shall all families of the earth be blessed” (Genesis 12:3).

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (Matthew 21:43)
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The gentiles represent the fruit, not the nation!

 

[Jerryhuerta]

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Excellent video to unmask the dual covenant heresy. Even so, Replacement theology is heresy also.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The main heresy is saying we're still in the old covenant, this is effectively saying to Jesus that he died in vain.

 

[BABerean2]

Replacement theology is heresy also.

"Replacement Theology" replaces the one seed, with the many seeds in Galatians 3:16.

It replaces the children of the promise, with the children of the flesh in Romans 9:8.

It replaces the "son" who is the "heir" to the land in Matthew chapter 21, with those who reject Him as the "chief cornerstone".

It replaces Christ who is the ultimate fulfillment of Israel in Matthew 1:1, with those who are described in 1 John 2:22, and Revelation 3:9.

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[Douggg]

The main heresy is saying we're still in the old covenant, this is effectively saying to Jesus that he died in vain.

Who is "we" ? And what is the old covenant of the "we" ?

 

[Douggg]

Can a modern person, or nation, reject God's Son and still be in a right relationship with God, based on the scripture found below?

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.


2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Is Jesus Christ the ultimate fulfillment of Israel found in Matthew 1:1?

Was the promise made to the one seed, instead of the many seeds, in Galatians 3:16?

Are Christians really "Abraham's seed" in inheritors of the promise, based on Galatians 3:27-29?

Does the land belong to "the son" in Matthew chapter 21, or does it belong to those who reject Him as the "chief cornerstone"?
Would the kingdom be taken from the nation which rejects the "chief cornerstone" and be given to the "holy nation" which accepts the "chief cornerstone", found in 1 Peter 2:4-10?


Was the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24?

Why did Peter address the crowd as "all the house in Israel" on the Day of Pentecost?

Why did James address his letter to "the twelve tribes", who were his "brethren" in the "faith"?

Has the Church as a whole ever been a "Gentile Church" as some today claim?

What did Paul say about genealogies in Titus 3:9?


If a man walks into your church body and claims that he does not need Christ as his Messiah because he is under a different covenant with God, would your preacher agree with the man?

The error of "Dual Covenant Theology" is one of the greatest deceptions in the history of the Church. It is being promoted by the speaker below.

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New covenant and old covenant are terms applying to Israel.

Differently, the Church has the gospel or "good news" of salvation.

Luke 24:46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

 

[BABerean2]

New covenant and old covenant are terms applying to Israel.

Differently, the Church has the gospel or "good news" of salvation.

2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?


Heb 12:18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, (Mount Sinai)
Heb 12:19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore.
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: "AND IF SO MUCH AS A BEAST TOUCHES THE MOUNTAIN, IT SHALL BE STONED OR SHOT WITH AN ARROW."
Heb 12:21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, "I AM EXCEEDINGLY AFRAID AND TREMBLING.")
Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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[Douggg]

"Replacement Theology" replaces the one seed, with the many seeds in Galatians 3:16.

It replaces the children of the promise, with the children of the flesh in Romans 9:8.

It replaces the "son" who is the "heir" to the land in Matthew chapter 21, with those who reject Him as the "chief cornerstone".

It replaces Christ who is the ultimate fulfillment of Israel in Matthew 1:1, with those who are described in 1 John 2:22, and Revelation 3:9.

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Replacement theology is commonly understood to mean replacement of Israel with the Church by them who claim the Church is spiritual Israel.

And replacement of Jews with gentiles who claim by becoming Christians they are now spiritual Jews.

 

[keras]

The gentiles represent the fruit, not the nation!

We Christians are the ones who produce the fruit. Galatians 5:22-23
We are, therefore; also the 'nation', but not yet as a coherent people group, being still scattered among the nations.
This is soon to change. After the forthcoming Sixth Seal world changer, Revelation 6:12-17, Zephaniah 1:14-18, we will be motivated to travel to and live in the holy Land; Psalms 107, Isaiah 35:1-10, all of the area from the Nile to the Euphrates, that the Lord will make into a garden Land for His people. Isaiah 32:15-18, Isaiah 49:8, Joel 2:21-24, Isaiah 51:3, +

We Christians, all who stood firm in their faith during the terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, will live in peace and prosperity in the new nation of Beulah. Isaiah 62:1-5, Romans 9:24-26
We will choose a leader; Jeremiah 30:21, Hosea 1:11 and when an attacking army comes down from the North, as we live peacefully without defenses, Ezekiel 38:10-12, the Lord will destroy them for us. Ezekiel 38:19-23, Joel 2:20

All as prophesied, all things that must happen, leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign.

 

[keras]

Replacement theology is commonly understood to mean replacement of Israel with the Church by them who claim the Church is spiritual Israel.

And replacement of Jews with gentiles who claim by becoming Christians they are now spiritual Jews.

READ ROMANS 2:29...and post a retraction of your false teaching!

 

[Douggg]

2Co 3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
2Co 3:7 But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
2Co 3:8 how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?


Heb 12:18 For you have not come to the mountain that may be touched and that burned with fire, and to blackness and darkness and tempest, (Mount Sinai)
Heb 12:19 and the sound of a trumpet and the voice of words, so that those who heard it begged that the word should not be spoken to them anymore.
Heb 12:20 (For they could not endure what was commanded: "AND IF SO MUCH AS A BEAST TOUCHES THE MOUNTAIN, IT SHALL BE STONED OR SHOT WITH AN ARROW."
Heb 12:21 And so terrifying was the sight that Moses said, "I AM EXCEEDINGLY AFRAID AND TREMBLING.")
Heb 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

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Paul was speaking as a Jew. Old and new covenant are terms pertaining to Israel.

Kingdom of God and Gospel of salvation pertain to the Church.

 

[Douggg]

READ ROMANS 2:29...and post a retraction of your false teaching!

Keras, the writer of Romans is talking about "of the Jews" who is really a Jew. He is not talking about gentiles being Jews.

You have to go back to verse 23. He is talking about Jews. Read verse 24, it is definitely talking about Jews, who were circumcised in the flesh as part of being a Jew. But the writer of Hebrews is saying that isn't what makes a Jew really a Jew, as he states in verses 28 and 29.

23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonourest thou God?

24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

"Replacement Theology" replaces the one seed, with the many seeds in Galatians 3:16.

It replaces the children of the promise, with the children of the flesh in Romans 9:8.

It replaces the "son" who is the "heir" to the land in Matthew chapter 21, with those who reject Him as the "chief cornerstone".

It replaces Christ who is the ultimate fulfillment of Israel in Matthew 1:1, with those who are described in 1 John 2:22, and Revelation 3:9.

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I have to say, Berean2, Douggg does have the correct perception of Replacement theology, while you have the correct perception that the gentiles that go by the name of the Servant in Isaiah 49 are party to the New Covenant.

 

[jgr]

Paul was speaking as a Jew. Old and new covenant are terms pertaining to Israel.

Where do you read that?

Paul was speaking to the Corinthian Church, comprised of both Jews and Gentiles, including himself as one of them, i.e. "us" in 2 Corinthians 3:6, and informing them, Jews and Gentiles alike, that they were ministers of the New Covenant.

No "speaking as a Jew", and no restriction "pertaining to Israel".

 

[keras]

Keras, the writer of Romans is talking about "of the Jews" who is really a Jew. He is not talking about gentiles being Jews.

Absolute Dougggish!
Paul says: The real Jew is one who is inwardly a Jew and his circumcision is of the heart, spiritual not literal. He receives his commendation from God, not from men.

There is no inference there of any change of ethnicity, but plainly a spiritual change in people who truly believe in God and accept the atoning sacrifice of Jesus.
Jesus tells us what will happen to those who rely on external circumcision and who call themselves Jews; Revelation 3:9