Battle of Dual Covenant Theology and the Charge of "Replacement Theology"

[BABerean2]

Can a modern person, or nation, reject God's Son and still be in a right relationship with God, based on the scripture found below?

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.


2Jn 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
2Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
2Jn 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
2Jn 1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

Is Jesus Christ the ultimate fulfillment of Israel found in Matthew 1:1?

Was the promise made to the one seed, instead of the many seeds, in Galatians 3:16?

Are Christians really "Abraham's seed" in inheritors of the promise, based on Galatians 3:27-29?

Does the land belong to "the son" in Matthew chapter 21, or does it belong to those who reject Him as the "chief cornerstone"?
Would the kingdom be taken from the nation which rejects the "chief cornerstone" and be given to the "holy nation" which accepts the "chief cornerstone", found in 1 Peter 2:4-10?


Was the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24?

Why did Peter address the crowd as "all the house in Israel" on the Day of Pentecost?

Why did James address his letter to "the twelve tribes", who were his "brethren" in the "faith"?

Has the Church as a whole ever been a "Gentile Church" as some today claim?

What did Paul say about genealogies in Titus 3:9?


If a man walks into your church body and claims that he does not need Christ as his Messiah because he is under a different covenant with God, would your preacher agree with the man?

The error of "Dual Covenant Theology" is one of the greatest deceptions in the history of the Church. It is being promoted by the speaker below.

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Covenant Theology
Discussion of theological covenants.

That aside, all one has to do is read Luke 16's the covenantle parable of "the Rich Man and Lazarus".............................

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Luke 16:19
A certain Man[OC] was rich and clothed in purple and fine linen
making-merry down to a-day, shiningly<2988> [Revelation 18:16]

We begin by scrutinizing the description Yeshua gives us of the rich man. First, he tells us that this man was clothed in purple and fine linen.
The Eerdmans Bible Dictionary says: "The wearing of purple was associated particularly with royalty . . ." (p. 863, "Purple"). In addition, the New Bible Dictionary tells us:
"The use of linen in OT times was prescribed for priests (Ex. 28:39). The coat, turban and girdle must be of fine linen." (p. 702, "Linen"). So we see that the garments worn by this rich man were symbolic of royalty and the priesthood.
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The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

Revelation 18:
12 - “merchandise of gold and silver, precious stones and pearls, fine linen and purple, silk and scarlet,...........................
16 - “and saying, ‘Alas, alas, that great City that was clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls! [Luke 16:19]
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[Dave-W]

"Dual Covenant" and "Replacement theology" are BOTH wrong.

 

[Dave-W]

Has the Church as a whole ever been a "Gentile Church" as some today claim?

Yes. After the "Sect of the Nazarenes" were excluded in the 3rd and 4th centuries, and the Nazarenes died out, it was an entirely gentile church.

 

[FireDragon76]

Yes. After the "Sect of the Nazarenes" were excluded in the 3rd and 4th centuries, and the Nazarenes died out, it was an entirely gentile church.

There have always been Christians of Jewish ancestry in the Church. What was not permitted was Judaizing.

 

[Dave-W]

There have always been Christians of Jewish ancestry in the Church. What was not permitted was Judaizing.

They were forced to stop being Jews. They had to work on Saturday and prove to the leaders they ate pork. IOW, they had to look and act like gentiles.

That threw Acts 15 totally on its head.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Was the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34 fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24?
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Hello BAB.

I have studied and translated those passages for about 10 yrs here on CF, and one thing I noticed was the absence of the house of Judah in Jeremiah 31:33 and Hebrews 8:10. Any thoughts on that?

New Covenant of Jeremiah 31 Hebrew 8
Jan 3, 2009

Jeremiah 31:
31 Behold! days are coming, a declaration of Yahweh,
and I-cut<03772> with the House of Yisra'el and with the House of Y@huwdah a NEW Covenant

33 But this the Covenant which I shall cut with House-of Yisra'el after those days, declarations of Yahweh. I-give My Law within them, and upon their heart I shall write it/her and I become to them for an Elohim and they, they shall become to Me for a people.

Hebrews 8:10
8 "For faulting to them He is saying 'behold! days are coming is saying LORD,
and I shall be together-finishing/consummating upon the House of Israel and upon the house of Judah a NEW Covenant'

10 That this the Covenant which I shall be Covenanting to the House of Israel after those days, is saying LORD...............................

I view this as fulfilled both after the cross and the final consummation at the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70ad.........

Ezekiel 37:22
“and I will make them one Nation in the land, on the Mountains of Israel;
and one King[Lion of tribe of Judah/Melchizedek] shall be king over them all;
they shall no longer be two Nations,
nor shall they ever be divided into two Kingdoms again.

 

[BABerean2]

Hello BAB.

I have studied and translated those passages for about 10 yrs here on CF, and one thing I noticed was the absence of the house of Judah in Jeremiah 31:33 and Hebrews 8:10. Any thoughts on that?

New Covenant of Jeremiah 31 Hebrew 8
Jan 3, 2009

Jeremiah 31:
31 Behold! days are coming, a declaration of Yahweh,
and I-cut<03772> with the House of Yisra'el and with the House of Y@huwdah a NEW Covenant

33 But this the Covenant which I shall cut with House-of Yisra'el after those days, declarations of Yahweh. I-give My Law within them, and upon their heart I shall write it/her and I become to them for an Elohim and they, they shall become to Me for a people.

Hebrews 8:10
8 "For faulting to them He is saying 'behold! days are coming is saying LORD,
and I shall be together-finishing/consummating upon the House of Israel and upon the house of Judah a NEW Covenant'

10 That this the Covenant which I shall be Covenanting to the House of Israel after those days, is saying LORD...............................

I view this as fulfilled both after the cross and the final consummation at the destruction of the Jewish Temple in 70ad.........

Ezekiel 37:22
“and I will make them one Nation in the land, on the Mountains of Israel;
and one King[Lion of tribe of Judah/Melchizedek] shall be king over them all;
they shall no longer be two Nations,
nor shall they ever be divided into two Kingdoms again.

The main use of the word which refers to the nation of "Israel" in the Old Testament would include all of the 12 tribes. It refers to all of the descendants of Jacob. Therefore, Judah would be included.

Paul uses the word that way in Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 9:27, and Romans 11.

The New Covenant is fulfilled with both the house of Israel and the house of Judah in the passage below, during the first century.

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

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[BABerean2]

Yes. After the "Sect of the Nazarenes" were excluded in the 3rd and 4th centuries, and the Nazarenes died out, it was an entirely gentile church.

You cannot exclude anyone from the true Church, no matter what those such as the Roman Popes may have decreed.

Tit 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

Even today the Church continues to be made up of all races of people.

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[LittleLambofJesus]

Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

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Are you talking about a future 3rd Temple other than the 1st century one that "vanished away" along with the OC Priesthood?
That is in essence what the NC did......replace the carnal OC Levitical priesthood and replace it with the NC Priesthood of the spirit.....

Hebrews 7:12
For being translated the Priesthood,
out of necessity also, of Law a translation<3331> is becoming

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized

1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings of the Temple.

Mark 13:
1 And He going forth out of the Temple,
one of His Disciples is saying to Him “Teacher! behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings”

Luke 21:
5 and of some saying concerning the Temple,
that to goodly stones and votive-offerings<334> it has been adorned<2885>

The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19

Matthew 23:37
‘Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that art killing the prophets, and stoning those sent unto thee,....
Behold! left desolate to you is your house;
Luke 13:34
‘Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that is killing the prophets, and stoning those sent unto her......
35 ‘Behold! your house is being left to you desolate,

Revelation 18
19 and they cast dust upon their heads, and cried<2896>, lamenting<2799>, weeping and mourning<3996>, saying,
"Woe! woe! the great City! in which are rich all those having ships<4143> in the sea, out of Her preciousness<5094>,
for to one hour was She was desolated<2049>.

Revelation 19:
1 After these I hear as a great sound of a vast throng in the heaven, saying,
‘HalleluYah!
the salvation and the glory and the honor, and the power of our God;
3 And a second time they have declared<4483> ‘HalleluYah!
and Her smoke is ascending into the ages of the ages!"
4 And fall the twenty four Elders and the four living-ones,
and they worship to the GOD the One sitting upon the Throne, saying, ‘Amen! HalleluYah!"
6 And I hear as sound of a throng, much, and as a sound of waters, many, and as sound of thunders, strong saying:
"HalleluYah!
that reigns Lord the God *of-us, the Almighty.

 

[BABerean2]

Are you talking about a future 3rd Temple other than the 1st century one that "vanished away" along with the OC Priesthood?

No.

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[LittleLambofJesus]

BABerean2 said: ↑
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
Are you talking about a future 3rd Temple other than the 1st century one that "vanished away" along with the OC Priesthood?

No.
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Ok. What was ready to pass away?

There is this pesky word again.."NIGH"

Hebrews 8:13 In the to be saying NEW, He hath made OLD the first<4413>
The yet being made old and being decrepit<1095> NIGH<1451> of disappearance

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized
Matthew 24:32

G1451
of Time; concerning things imminent and soon to come to pass: Matthew 24:32; Matthew 26:18; Mark 13:28; Luke 21:30, 31; John 2:13; John 6:4; John 7:2; John 11:55; Revelation 1:3; Revelation 22:10; of the near advent of persons: ὁ κύριος ἐγγύς, of Christ's return from heaven, Philippians 4:5 (in another sense, of God in Psalm 144:18 (); with the addition ἐπί θύραις, at the door, Matthew 24:33; Mark 13:29; ἐγγύς κατάρας, near to being cursed, Hebrews 6:8; ἀφανισμοῦ, soon to vanish, Hebrews 8:13.

Matthew 24:32
Yet from the fig-tree be ye learning! the parable:
Whenever already its branch may be becoming tender, and the leaves may be sprouting<1631>,
ye are knowing that nigh<1451> the summer

Mark 13:28
‘Yet from the fig-tree, be ye learning the parable.
When the branch of it tender may be becoming, and may be sprouting<1631> the leaves,
ye are knowing that nigh<1451> the summer is;

Luke 21:
29 And He told a parable to them.
Be seeing the fig-tree and all the trees,
30 whenever they should be budding<4261> already observing from yourselves
ye are knowing thru that already nigh<1451> the summer is.

Revelation 1:3
Blessed/happy the one reading, and the ones hearing, the words of the Prophecy and keepings in it having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772),
that the Time nigh<1451>.

Revelation 22:10
And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of this Scroll.
That the Time nigh<1451> is.

 

[BABerean2]

Ok. What was ready to pass away?

The second temple.

The New Covenant had already been put into effect at Calvary, as confirmed by Matthew 26:28, and John 19:30, and 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 7:12, and Hebrews 8:6, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and Hebrews 12:18-24.

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[BABerean2]

The doctrine found in the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible has been instrumental in producing various forms of "Dual Covenant Theology"

It has dominated much of Christian television in the United States.
Well known pastors such as Dr. David Jeremiah, and John Hagee are promoters of the doctrine.

The claim that God will go back and deal with modern Israel after the pretrib removal of the Church is a modern doctrine promoted mainly through the work of Scofield and others.

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[BABerean2]

Dedication of the altar for the 3rd temple.

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[Jerryhuerta]

Would the kingdom be taken from the nation which rejects the "chief cornerstone" and be given to the "holy nation" which accepts the "chief cornerstone", found in 1 Peter 2:4-10

Yes; and that nation is Ephraim, the ten tribes in exile at that time.

 

[BABerean2]

Yes; and that nation is Ephraim, the ten tribes in exile at that time.

1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
1Pe 2:10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.


Why do you think Peter failed to mention the name "Ephraim" in the passage above?

Why is the word is only found one time in the New Testament?

Joh_11:54 Jesus therefore walked no more openly among the Jews; but went thence unto a country near to the wilderness, into a city called Ephraim, and there continued with his disciples.


How can one tribe turn into ten tribes?

Num_1:33 Those that were numbered of them, even of the tribe of Ephraim, were forty thousand and five hundred.

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[keras]

Yes; and that nation is Ephraim, the ten tribes in exile at that time.

You mean the House of Israel, the people who Jesus came to save. Matthew 15:24
If that meant Judah, then Jesus failed, but we know how the Northern tribes were exiled, then were scattered among the nations, where they accepted Christianity.

All the faithful Christians today belong to Israel, we are the Israel of God, His Overcomers and we are the inheritors of all of the Promises of God to Israel, thru Jesus. 2 Corinthians 1:20

There is no 'dual Covenant' and no 'replacement theology', all Christians, Jew and Gentile are one in Jesus. The rest of mankind, Jew and Gentile, are not His people.

BaB; Ephraim is the leader of the ten Northern tribes and his name is often used to refer to all of them; the House of Israel.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

After citing 1 Peter 2:4-10 you queried.

Why do you think Peter failed to mention the name "Ephraim" in the passage above?

Verse 10 was taken directly from Hosea 2:23 to maintain it was being fulfilled. Since he wasn't addressing gentiles there was no need to mention their appellation. Only gentiles need such enlightenment.

Why is the word is only found one time in the New Testament?

Since the NT was first to Israel, there was no need to mention all their appellations. Only gentiles need such enlightenment.

How can one tribe turn into ten tribes

The proper query should be: does the OT use the term Ephraim as well as Israel, Jacob, and Joseph as proper appellations for the northern nation? The answer is a resounding yes. 2 Chronicles 25:7; Isaiah 7:17, 11:13; Ezekiel 37:19 to name a few.

 

[Jerryhuerta]

You mean the House of Israel, the people who Jesus came to save. Matthew 15:24
If that meant Judah, then Jesus failed, but we know how the Northern tribes were exiled, then were scattered among the nations, where they accepted Christianity.

All the faithful Christians today belong to Israel, we are the Israel of God, His Overcomers and we are the inheritors of all of the Promises of God to Israel, thru Jesus. 2 Corinthians 1:20

There is no 'dual Covenant' and no 'replacement theology', all Christians, Jew and Gentile are one in Jesus. The rest of mankind, Jew and Gentile, are not His people.

BaB; Ephraim is the leader of the ten Northern tribes and his name is often used to refer to all of them; the House of Israel.

Good post.

The proper query should be: does the OT use the term Ephraim as well as Israel, Jacob, and Joseph as proper appellations for the northern nation? The answer is a resounding yes. 2 Chronicles 25:7; Isaiah 7:17, 11:13; Ezekiel 37:19 to name a few.