Hello LGW.
I just read the third chapter of Romans.
Romans 3:28
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
Here I will rewrite what Paul just said.
Romans 3:28 (rewritten)
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from Sabbath observance.
You miss the fact that a Sabbath observance is a work of the law.
The post you are quoting from says...
LoveGodsWord said:
↑ You are only UNDER THE LAW if you stand guilty before God or breaking the law. I suggest you read
ROMANS 2 and
ROMANS 3 with an emphasis in
ROMANS 3:10-20.
You did not read it with ROMANS 2. Here let's look at it and discuss it.
Let's have a look where Paul proved that both JEWS and GENTILES are all "UNDER SIN" *ROMANS 3:9
ROMANS 2:6-29
[6] Who will render to
every man according to his deeds:
[7],
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life:
[8],
But to them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
[9], Tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man that does evil,
of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile
[10], But glory, honor, and peace, to every man that works good,
to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
[11],
For there is no respect of persons with God.
[12],
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
[13], For not the hearers of the law are just before God,
but the doers of the law shall be justified.
ROMANS 3:9 What then? are we better than they? No, in no way:
FOR WE HAVE PROVED BOTH JEW AND GREEK, THAT THEY ARE ALL UNDER SIN
PAUL proved this earlier in ROMANS 2:6-13. Where he shows that both JEWS AND GENTILES ARE ALL UNDER SIN and stand guilty before God of breaking his LAW.
Paul says in ROMANS 3:20 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN. Are you seriously trying to argue that the scripture does not mean what it says? The CONTEXT of ROMANS 3:20 is ROMANS 3:9-20 which is stating that all [JEWS and GENTILES] are under sin
v9. There is none righteous
v10. While v11-18 are emphasizing the same points as v9-10 that we are all sinners.
v19-20 then build on wha was written in from verse 9 [verse 9 was in reference to ROMANS 2:3-23]. Now the overall CONTEXT here is that the law being referred to here is the 10 Commandments.
Let's continue ROMANS 2..
ALL are under sin (broken God's LAW )
3v9. None are righteous no not one
3v10. Context..
ROMANS 2:21-29 [21],
[21], You therefore which teach another, teach you not yourself? you that preach a man
should not steal, do you steal?
[22], You that say a man
should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? you that abhor idols, do you commit sacrilege?
[23], You that make your boast of the law, through breaking the law dishonor you God?
[24], For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
[25], For circumcision truly profits, if you keep the law: but if you be a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision.
NOTE: How is your circumcision made uncircumcision? By breaking the 10 commandments!
[26],
Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
[27],
And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfill the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law?
[28],
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
[29], But
he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
So it is very clear that when PAUL writes ROMANS 3:19-20...
ROMANS 3:19-20 [19], Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are
UNDER THE LAW:
that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight:
for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Is in reference to the 10 commandments giving us a knowledge of what sin is.
PAUL emphasizes this further in ROMANS 7..
ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No,
I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN BUT BY THE LAW: FOR I HAD NOT KNOWN LUST, EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID, YOU SHALL NOT COVET.
NOTE: Paul says he did not know what sin was but by the law. This is what he said earlier in ROMANS 3:20 when he said that it is by God's LAW that we have a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. The law defined here is specified as the 10 Commandments as highlighted in Romans 2:4-29 and Romans 3:9-20 which specifies as examples in ROMANS 2:21-23 giving examples of
stealing, adultery and Idol worship quoting the 10 commandments from Exodus 20:4-5; 14-14. Romans 7:7 is continuing this same thought by quoting the tenth commandment of you shall not covet as an example of sin if broken from Exodus 20:17.
So the law referenced here that gives us a KNOWLEDGE of sin, is indeed referring to the 10 Commandments (not nine as you teach) and not the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT (Exodus 24:7) for remission of sin.
ROMANS 3:9-20
[9], What then? are we better than they? No, in no way:
FOR WE HAVE PROVED BOTH JEW AND GREEK, THAT THEY ARE ALL UNDER SIN;
[10], As it is written,
THERE IS NONE RIGHTOUESS NO NOT ONE:
[11], There is none that understands, there is none that seeks after God.
[12], They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that does good, no, not one.
[13[, Their throat is an open sepulcher; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
[14], Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
[15], Their feet are swift to shed blood:
[16], Destruction and misery are in their ways:
[17], And the way of peace have they not known:
[18], There is no fear of God before their eyes.
[19],
NOW WE KNOW THAT WHATSOEVER THINGS THE LAW SAYS, IT SAYS TO THEM WHO ARE UNDER THE LAW; that EVERY mouth may be stopped, and ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD.
[20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.
Let's start with v9 which is the CONTEXT. This shows your interpretation of the scriptures is not a correct one brother. It cannot be applicable to just the JEWS because the CONTEXT of v19 in v9 is that BOTH JEW AND GREEK ARE ALL UNDER SIN. Paul says he proved this earlier. WHERE did he prove that BOTH JEWS and GREEKS are ALL UNDER SIN?
Now that CONTEXT has been established in ROMANS 2:6-29 and ROMANS 3:9-20. Let's look at the scriptures and see what it means to be "UNDER THE LAW" in ROMANS 3:19.
ROMANS 3:19 [19], NOW WE KNOW THAT WHATSOEVER THINGS THE LAW SAYS, IT SAYS TO THEM WHO ARE
UNDER THE LAW; that EVERY mouth may be stopped, and ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD.
Who does PAUL say is "UNDER THE LAW" both JEW AND GENTILE because BOTH JEW AND GENTILE are stand guilty before GOD of breaking it (Romans 2:6-13). Both JEW and GENTILES are all under SIN there is none good no not one (Romans 3:9; Romans 3:10)
WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO BE "UNDER THE LAW"?
To be "UNDER THE LAW" in this case means to be GUILTY BEFORE GOD of breaking the LAW (sin). FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN (Romans 3:20) and this is what God's LAW teaches us. That we are all sinners in need of a Saviour
Can you see the CONTEXT you have left out and what ROMANS 3:19 means to be UNDER THE LAW? It means to stand guilty before GOD of breaking it *SIN.
Hope this helps brother.
