Is it wrong that I keep Shabbat and do not "go to church" on Sunday?

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Right. By in large they do not keep the Sabbath.
Even though they have God's law of conscience to convict them if it was a sin.
Alas, it is not. The Sabbath was given to the Israelites alone.
One may choose to observe it, but there is no compelling reason to do so.

I did not know Adam was a Jew...LOL

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Stubborn?
As if I am refusing to do as I should?
You have failed to convincingly saddle me with this yoke of bondage.
Seems unfair to call me stubborn. (I knew you were kidding, sort of)
Especially since it is not a requirement for me. Stubborn?
You mean stubborn and disobedient, I suppose.

You say you do it because you "love the Almighty".
This obviously infers that anyone who doesn't do as you do, doesn't "love the Almighty".

This is why the law and grace are like oil and water. They don't mix without constant agitation. Left alone they separate naturally.

I was joking... hence the Like I said, I do not judge...

 

[Saint Steven]

I did not know Adam was a Jew...LOL

Are you claiming that Adam kept the Sabbath?
There is no evidence of any HUMAN observing the Sabbath until it was given to the Israelites alone in Exodus chapter sixteen. Prove me wrong.

Neither is there any case for gentiles observing the Sabbath under the new covenant of grace. Before... until... Now...

Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

 

[Saint Steven]

I was joking... hence the Like I said, I do not judge...

All good. I took it as a bit of jocularity.
Hopefully my points were clear.

There doesn't seem to be any way to make this subject not be divisive.
Unless we agree that there are two camps and one Lord.
But as soon as we infer that God prefers one camp over the other... or that one camp loves God (inferring the other doesn't)… that's the rub right there. (cause of friction)

Interesting that the Holy Spirit is symbolized by oil. (a lubricant)

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Are you claiming that Adam kept the Sabbath?
There is no evidence of any HUMAN observing the Sabbath until it was given to the Israelites alone in Exodus chapter sixteen. Prove me wrong.

Neither is there any case for gentiles observing the Sabbath under the new covenant of grace. Before... until... Now...

Galatians 3:23-25
Before the coming of this faith, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

I have already explained that to you previously.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

But as soon as we infer that God prefers one camp over the other... or that one camp loves God (inferring the other doesn't)… that's the rub right there. (cause of friction)

I am not saying that at all.

 

[Tone]

Is that the source of the blessings you have been talking about?
Let's continue reading.

Revelation 15:6-8
Out of the temple came the seven angels with the seven plagues. They were dressed in clean, shining linen and wore golden sashes around their chests. 7 Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls filled with the wrath of God, who lives for ever and ever. 8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power, and no one could enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed.

It's in heaven, so it is Holy.

The plagues are on the earth...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You have failed to convincingly saddle me with this yoke of bondage.

It is only a yoke of bondage because you think it is. It is a gift from the Almighty and I consider it a joy!

 

[Tone]

It is only a yoke of bondage because you think it is. It is a gift from the Almighty and I consider it a joy!

Exactly, you don't have the desire for it so leave it alone. But, why do you accuse us of being in error because we do?

Is it wrong that I keep Shabbat and do not "go to church" on Sunday?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Exactly, you don't have the desire for it so leave it alone. But, why do you accuse us of being in error because we do?

It is because he only thinks that by trying to keep the law we are not under grace, only he is by NOT keeping it...go figure...

I know Steven, but it is kind of the same but opposite argument you are making...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

One may choose to observe it, but there is no compelling reason to do so.

The "compelling" reason is that The Almighty said it was set apart and Holy. Is that not a good enough reason for you??? The Almighty said in Isaiah that He would honor those who remember and observe the Sabbath day. He also promised them that if they would speak of the Sabbath as a delight, they would find joy in the Lord.

 

[BobRyan]

Revelation 15:5
"After this I looked, and I saw in heaven the temple—that is, the tabernacle of the covenant law—and it was opened."

Rev 11
18 And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”
19 And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm.

 

[BobRyan]

Fair enough.
What is your definition of "sin"?

"SIN IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 - as we all know

 

[BobRyan]

Right. By in large they do not keep the Sabbath.
Even though they have God's law of conscience to convict them if it was a sin.
Alas, it is not. The Sabbath was given to the Israelites alone.
One may choose to observe it, but there is no compelling reason to do so.

Some Catholics pray to the dead - and bow down before images... is it your argument that all those bible texts get "deleted" as long as some Catholics are also saved who do that?

 

[BobRyan]

Revelation 15:5
"After this I looked, and I saw in heaven the temple—that is, the tabernacle of the covenant law—and it was opened."

Rev 11
18 And the nations were enraged, and Your wrath came, and the time came for the dead to be judged, and the time to reward Your bond-servants the prophets and the saints and those who fear Your name, the small and the great, and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”
19 And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm.

Is that the source of the blessings you have been talking about?
Let's continue reading.

Revelation 15:6-8
Out of the temple came the seven angels with the seven plagues. They were dressed in clean, shining linen and wore golden sashes around their chests. 7 Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls filled with the wrath of God, who lives for ever and ever. 8 And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God and from his power, and no one could enter the temple until the seven plagues of the seven angels were completed.

Yes the Sanctuary in heaven IS the source of blessing we are talking about.

Hebrews 8:1-6
Now the main point in what has been said is this: we have such a high priest, who has taken His seat at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, not man. 3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices; so it is necessary that this high priest also have something to offer. 4 Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest at all, since there are those who offer the gifts according to the Law; 5 who serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things, just as Moses was warned by God when he was about to erect the tabernacle; for, “See,” He says, “that you make all things according to the pattern which was shown you on the mountain.” 6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.

Heb 12 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Heb 4
14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. 16 Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace,

 

[Saint Steven]

I have already explained that to you previously.

There is no proof that Adam kept the Sabbath.
On what day was he created? On what day did God rest?
Were there six days of work before the "Sabbath" for Adam? (nope)
How does that work? (no pun intended)

 

[Saint Steven]

I am not saying that at all.

I asked you, "What is your motivation for following the law in grace?"
You replied: "Because I love the Almighty and He loves me. It is now written on my heart..."
I asked: "What does that say about me?"
Now you say you aren't saying that at all?

 

[Saint Steven]

It's in heaven, so it is Holy.

The plagues are on the earth...

Why did you post this then?

Revelation 15:5
"After this I looked, and I saw in heaven the temple—that is, the tabernacle of the covenant law—and it was opened."

 

[Saint Steven]

It is only a yoke of bondage because you think it is. It is a gift from the Almighty and I consider it a joy!

Why do you suppose the Apostles didn't understand that concept?

Galatians 5:1
It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery.

Acts 15:10
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?

 

[Saint Steven]

The "compelling" reason is that The Almighty said it was set apart and Holy. Is that not a good enough reason for you??? The Almighty said in Isaiah that He would honor those who remember and observe the Sabbath day. He also promised them that if they would speak of the Sabbath as a delight, they would find joy in the Lord.

Everything the Bible says about the Sabbath it says to the Israelites.
Were you a slave in Egypt?

Deuteronomy 5:15
Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.