WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

[LoveGodsWord]

I dan't relate anything in your post to what I said in your quote of me. I don't see anything from the NT that requires obligation to the famous 10 in your Scripture references. I do find fear mongering.

It is hard for many to see God's WORD if they do not want to. JESUS and PAUL talk about those who did not receive their word as God's WORD in the NEW TESTAMENT *MATTHEW 13:14-15; ACTS 28:26-27; JOHN 3:19-21.

According to God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNES *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. According to God's WORD if we break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11.

According to God's WORD all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

It is JESUS that says all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God brother not me *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who then do we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God or men *ROMANS 3:4. Yep I know who I believe. You provide your own words. My words are not my own but God's WORD. It is the Word of God that will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.

Sorry brother God's Word does not teach lawlessness.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Does Moses speak truth?

All of God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ACTS 5:29; ROMANS 3:4

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your words of confusion are less than chaff.

God's WORD is not my word. You speak your own words which are not God's Word. He that has received his testimony has set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God has sent speaks the words of God: for God gives not the Spirit by measure to him. Truly, truly, I say to you, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and you receive not our witness. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are worked in God. He that believes on the Son has everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God stays on him.

For me, he must increase and I must decrease. I only point all to the Word of God because it is there we find the one who loves us that we may love him. I know him and am known by him. All that he shows me I see and must show to all because I am blind. He tells me it is those that say they see that do not see. These are they that have once known him or do not know him. There is only life in the living Word. These are his Words and not my own. Freely I give because freely I have received. I must speak in the light and what I hear preach in the housetops. Many will not hear because they do not know Him. He is the Word of God and those that believe him are those that he has chosen. They follow him because they love him and are loved by him. Many are called but few are chosen. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgment day when the word rejected will be the word that will judge all.

Do you know the scriptures brother?

 

[BobRyan]

Depends on what calendar you go by what the days of the week are.

What the "names are" - but going back through history the 7 day week itself - as known to Israel at Sinai ... unchanged.

Certain details sooo obvious that BOTH sides of the classic Sunday vs Bible-Sabbath debate - agree!

 

[BobRyan]

Your words indicate that you are confused because this is addressed in this post.

Your words try to impose a different meaning on the words of Jesus because in your imaginations you try to split up the Law.

Sadly for that bit of speculation - Paul refutes your point.

"circumcision does not matter - what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19

A distinction in LAW that you wildly perhaps rashly claim cannot exist.

A point the "Westminster Confession of Faith" and the "Baptist Confession of Faith" and almost all Bible scholars such as C.H. Spurgeon and many others freely admit. So it is not "just Paul"

The old testament is obsolete by the words of Jesus Christ

Less creative writing... more Bible please.

Mark 7:
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

"When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear." (Hebrews 8:13)

The old testament is obsolete by the words of Jesus Christ with "the new covenant

Hint: the New Testament in our use is "scripture" 27 books of the Bible and Old Testament is "scripture" - 39 books of the Bible.

My Bible has 66 books... and yours??

"ALL Scripture given by inspiration from God AND to be used for doctrine" 2 Tim 3:16

More Bible - less creative writing.

You seem to be blind.

On the contrary - we can all see in the example above - the Bible texts you are ignoring in your responses. Do you find them "inconvenient"??


"And in the same way [He took] the cup after they had eaten, saying, 'This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.'"
(Luke 22:20)

Is about ratifying the new covenant already identified by Jeremiah in Jer 31:31-33 just as it would also be affirmed by Paul in Hebrews 8:6-11

Gal 1:6-9 -- only ONE Gospel
Gal 3:8 -- THAT Gospel was "preached to Abraham"
And that Gospel is the NEW Covenant.

Were we "simply not supposed to notice"???

The Word of God stands.

If you don't believe the words of the Bible it doesn't matter what it contains.

Exactly the point of those texts - those who ignore them are not benefited by them.

Please reconsider. In any case - you have free will.

 

[ace of hearts]

It is hard for many to see God's WORD if they do not want to. JESUS and PAUL talk about those who did not receive their word as God's WORD in the NEW TESTAMENT *MATTHEW 13:14-15; ACTS 28:26-27; JOHN 3:19-21.

You don't preach what Paul preached. I've the rest of your post memorized.

Sorry brother God's Word does not teach lawlessness.

Neither do I.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You don't preach what Paul preached. I've the rest of your post memorized.
Neither do I.

Well that is not true brother. Don't you believe God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) are abolished now? But it is God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT that says that it is God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. Who should we believe? I know who I believe *ROMANS 3:4.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[ace of hearts]

What the "names are" - but going back through history the 7 day week itself - as known to Israel at Sinai ... unchanged.

Certain details sooo obvious that BOTH sides of the classic Sunday vs Bible-Sabbath debate - agree!

cute

 

[ace of hearts]

Well that is not true brother. Don't you believe God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) are abolished now?

What exactly do you mean by abolished?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

What exactly do you mean by abolished?

The same as what I mean't when I asked you where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

 

[Kermos]

All of God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *ACTS 5:29; ROMANS 3:4

Jesus said:

"For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?" John 5:46-47

Jesus also said:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to satisfy." (Matthew 5:17)

And you people who keep the Old Covenant try to insert your imaginations between the words of Jesus when He said "the Law" which demonstrates that you do not believe Jesus.

This post "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" demonstrates your repeated error in your teaching.

 

[BobRyan]

Tell someone that you believe it is "still a sin" to take God's name in vain Ex 20:7 and then look for this response...

And you people who keep the Old Covenant try to insert your imaginations between the words of Jesus when He said "the Law" which demonstrates that you do not believe Jesus.
...

How in the world does anyone come up with that response to the "Commandments of God"???

Paul said "what matters is KEEPING the commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19 where in those commandments the "first commandment with a promise" is the 5th commandment. Eph 6:2

Well with a lot of bend-wrench-twist I suppose you could accuse Paul of not "believing Jesus" -- but that seems a bit too extreme even for those opposing God's Commandments.

The FACT of God's Commandments - God's TEN Commandments "where the first commandment with a promise" is the 5th commandment Eph 6:2 -- is sooo incredibly obvious that BOTH sides of the classic Sunday vs Bible-Sabbath debate - agree.

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians, written on the heart under the NEW Covenant.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

 

[BobRyan]

Depends on what calendar you go by what the days of the week are.

What the "names are" - but going back through history the 7 day week itself - as known to Israel at Sinai ... unchanged.

Certain details sooo obvious that BOTH sides of the classic Sunday vs Bible-Sabbath debate - agree!

cute

fact.

details sooo obvious that BOTH sides of the classic Sunday vs Bible-Sabbath debate - agree!

 

[Kermos]

Tell someone that you believe it is "still a sin" to take God's name in vain Ex 20:7 and then look for this response...

A foolish trap set by a person who keeps the Old Covenant.

Jesus said:

"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the [age] to come." (Matthew 12:31-32

Jesus said:

"'YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.' On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 22:37-40)

Jesus said:

"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3)

A person born from above/born again loves God and is filled by God and does not blaspheme God.

A person not born again sins against the Holy Spirit by inserting words among the words of Jesus whether implicit or explicit that result in a meaning different than Jesus' words. You insert your words either implicitly or explicitly among the Words of Jesus, such as, when you try to impose "ceremonial" and remove the 10 commandments from Jesus' words in Matthew 5:17.

The "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" clearly outlines that the New Covenant is in Jesus' Blood, and the Old Covenant is made obsolete when Jesus said "the New Coventant".

 

[BobRyan]

Tell someone that you believe it is "still a sin" to take God's name in vain Ex 20:7 and then look for this response...

And you people who keep the Old Covenant try to insert your imaginations between the words of Jesus when He said "the Law" which demonstrates that you do not believe Jesus.
...

How in the world does anyone come up with that response to the "Commandments of God"???

Paul said "what matters is KEEPING the commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19 where in those commandments the "first commandment with a promise" is the 5th commandment. Eph 6:2

Well with a lot of bend-wrench-twist I suppose you could accuse Paul of not "believing Jesus" -- but that seems a bit too extreme even for those opposing God's Commandments.

The FACT of God's Commandments - God's TEN Commandments "where the first commandment with a promise" is the 5th commandment Eph 6:2 -- is sooo incredibly obvious that BOTH sides of the classic Sunday vs Bible-Sabbath debate - agree.

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians, written on the heart under the NEW Covenant.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

A foolish trap set by a person who keeps the Old Covenant.

You say that in response to "do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 ?? seriously?? Have you thought that through???

Jesus said:

"Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the [age] to come." (Matthew 12:31-32

True... a good place NOT to find "do not take God's name in vain" quoted.

By contrast
Ex 20:11 last verse of the Sabbath commandment: 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Acts 4:24 direct quote from the 4th comm Ex 20:11 "24 And when they heard this, they lifted their voices to God with one accord and said, “O Lord, it is You who made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and all that is in them,"

Acts 14:15 direct quote from the 4th comm Ex 20:11
15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We are also men of the same nature as you, and preach the gospel to you that you should turn from these vain things to a living God, who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and all that is in them.

Rev 14:7 direct quote from the 4th comm Ex 20:11
7 and he said with a loud voice, “Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters.”

Heb 4: "There REMAINS a Sabbath rest for the people of God" Heb 4.. a good place to find direct reference to the Sabbath commandment.

Acts 18:4 Gospel preaching "EVERY Sabbath" - a good place to find direct reference to the Sabbath commandment.

Act 13 - gentiles asking that MORE Gospel preaching be presented "the NEXT Sabbath" - a good place to find direct reference to the Sabbath commandment.

Acts 17:1-5 - Gospel preaching for 3 Sabbaths in a row -- "2 And according to Paul’s custom, he went to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,"- a good place to find direct reference to the Sabbath commandment in the NT. The Bible Sabbath which you claim to reject from the section of the Bible which you claim to reject.

The FACT of God's Commandments - God's TEN Commandments "where the first commandment with a promise" is the 5th commandment Eph 6:2 -- is sooo incredibly obvious that BOTH sides of the classic Sunday vs Bible-Sabbath debate - agree.

 

[Kermos]

God's WORD is not my word.

You wrote something true for your words are not God's Word, but you left off that you try to impose your imaginations upon God's Word as demonstrated with the following points.

ADULTERATED BIBLE PASSAGES BY YOU

Revelation 12:17 ? Your highlights of the verse show your attempt to impose the 4th commandment on others as you try to de-emphasize that which is not highlighted about Jesus, and hence you try to alter the meaning of the passage to suit your imaginations. link explaining

Leviticus 23 ? Your words convey that the 7th day sabbath is not applicable to Hosea 2:11 because in your words expressing your imagination the 7th day sabbath is not part of the holy convocations; on the other hand, God's Word says the 7th day sabbath is there as a holy convocation (recorded in verse 3). link explaining.

Acts 15:5 ? Your words convey that the Law of Moses is not the Law which includes the 10 commandments link explaining

1 John 2:1-4 ? Your words or your version of a bible switches the words and hence meaning of the passage to suit your imaginations. link explaining

Romans 13:8 ? Your words or your version of a bible tries to inject the word DOING into the Apostle Paul?s writing for Paul is under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. link explaining

Matthew 5:17 ? Your words conveny that Jesus does not satisfy the law ? that is practising sin not to keep the 7th day sabbath. link explaining

 

[Kermos]

Tell someone that you believe it is "still a sin" to take God's name in vain Ex 20:7 and then look for this response...
...snip...
The FACT of God's Commandments - God's TEN Commandments "where the first commandment with a promise" is the 5th commandment Eph 6:2 -- is sooo incredibly obvious that BOTH sides of the classic Sunday vs Bible-Sabbath debate - agree.

All of your imaginations do NOT change the fact that the "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" demonstrates the New Covenant in Jesus' Blood and that the Old Covenant is made obsolete when Jesus said "the New Coventant".

Jesus reaffirmed the 5th Commandment with this interchange (Matthew 19:16-23):

16 And someone came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?"
17 And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is [only] One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."
18 [Then] he said to Him, "Which ones?" And Jesus said, "YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER; YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY; YOU SHALL NOT STEAL; YOU SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS;
19 HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER; and YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF."
20 The young man said to Him, "All these things I have kept; what am I still lacking?"
21 Jesus said to him, "If you wish to be complete, go [and] sell your possessions and give to [the] poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me."
22 But when the young man heard this statement, he went away grieving; for he was one who owned much property.
23 And Jesus said to His disciples, "Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus showed something about the 4th Commandment with this interchange (John 5:8-10):

8 Jesus said to him, "Get up, pick up your pallet and walk."
9 Immediately the man became well, and picked up his pallet and [began] to walk. Now it was the Sabbath on that day.
10 So the Jews were saying to the man who was cured, "It is the Sabbath, and it is not permissible for you to carry your pallet."

As a reminder, all of your imaginations do NOT change the fact that the "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" demonstrates the New Covenant in Jesus' Blood and that the Old Covenant is made obsolete when Jesus said "the New Coventant".

 

[BobRyan]

All of your imaginations do NOT change the fact that the "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" demonstrates the New Covenant in Jesus' Blood and that the Old Covenant is made obsolete when Jesus said "the New Coventant".

All of your references to that do not make a claim by me that the saints are "under the Old Covenant"... .You knew that right???

Jesus reaffirmed the 5th Commandment with this interchange (Matthew 19:16-23):

In fact Paul in Rom 13 and Jesus in Matthew 19 affirm all of the TEN Commandments that are based on the LEV 19:18 Mosaic law - "Love your neighbor as yourself".

Paul goes out of his way to identify the FULL unit of LAW when He says in Eph 6 "the FIRST commandment WITH a promise " is the 5th commandment. It is true within that unit of Ten "alone". No other unit of Law has it.

 

[Kermos]

All of your references to that do not make a claim by me that the saints are "under the Old Covenant"... .You knew that right???
...snip

Your compositions of your words indicate that you believe that believers are under the Old Covenant because you do not say that Jesus satisfied the Law (Matthew 5:17) without you trying to impose some of your words between the two words of "the Law" for you to exclude the 10 commandments from Jesus' words "the Law". Jesus' words "the Law" includes the 10 commandments which are satisfied (Matthew 5:17) by the blood of the Lamb (John 1:29).

The timeline is clearly shown in the "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" post which is God's Word showing that the 10 commandments are part of the Old Covenant (the Exodus citations). Jesus said "the New Covenant in My Blood" and the author of Hebrews wrote "When He said, 'A new [covenant],' He has made the first obsolete" (Hebrews 8:13); continuing, Jesus said "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments" (John 14:15) and the commandments of God are spoken by Jesus for He said "Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death" (John 8:51).

 

[BobRyan]

Your compositions of your words indicate that you believe that believers are under the Old Covenant

Nope... that is merely your "spin" and then you "quote you" to attribute to me - your own words.

How "odd".

because you do not say that Jesus satisfied the Law (Matthew 5:17)

You quoted you again. I state that he "fulfilled" both moral and ceremonial law.

Fulfilled moral law by perfectly complying with it. And fulfilled predictive-ceremonial law by carrying out that which was being predicted.

(Both you and I already knew that was what I had claimed - of course.)

And that does not remotely say "saints are under the Old Covenant" -- as we can all see.

without you trying to impose some of your words between the two words of "the Law" for you to exclude the 10 commandments from Jesus' words "the Law".

By continually "quoting you" instead of responding to my posts -- to the actual arguments made in them - you just keep circling back to your own already debunked false accusations to prove that the previous false assertion had some validity.

You don't have a quote of me saying Jesus did not fulfill (comply with) the requirements of the moral law. And most of us know it... you would also know it were you actually reading my posts.

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"?? Try something different.

The timeline is clearly shown in the "Exclusively Scripture With Bible Citations Post" post which is God's Word showing that the 10 commandments are part of the Old Covenant

Indeed they are .. in fact they are part of both covenants as Jeremiah makes clear and as Paul makes clear in Eph 6:2, Romans 7, Romans 13 etc.

continuing, Jesus said "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments" (John 14:15) and the commandments of God are spoken by Jesus for He said "Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death" (John 8:51).

And Hebrews 8:6-12 shows that it is Christ speaking the TEN Commandments at Sinai, no wonder it is the TEN that he quotes from in Matthew 19, and in Mark 7:6-12 and that Paul quote from in Eph 6:2 and 1 Cor 7:19.

Details matter.