Conservative Activist Attacked at Berkeley

[Shiloh Raven]

Is this one of the claims I'm supposed to take at face value?

I need to know more context before I make any judgements on this video.

I would like more context before I make any judgments on the video too.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Is this one of the claims I'm supposed to take at face value?

I need to know more context before I make any judgements on this video.

I'd swear you were just arguing that you were going to continue "believing the victim" in another thread....

Did you perhaps change your mind?

 

[Ana the Ist]

I would like more context before I make any judgments on the video too.

What would you like?

 

[Shiloh Raven]

What would you like?

I would like more information because I don't want to jump to an unfair judgment like I did with the MAGA hat teenagers. I was fair too quick to judge that story without getting sufficient information.

 

[Ana the Ist]

This is especially true with the micro-agression people. They actually equate dissent, or a person expressing an idea they do not like with someone committing an act of aggression.

Yeah...I've seen a number of people on the left make the claim that words=violence.

Thankfully, as far as ideas the left has been floating around in this grand discussion it's having with itself....that one seems too stupid to gain much traction.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I would like more information because I don't want to jump to an unfair judgment like I did with the MAGA hat teenagers. I was fair too quick to judge that story without getting sufficient information.

No I understand that you want more information....but what information do you want?

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Yeah...I've seen a number of people on the left make the claim that words=violence.

Thankfully, as far as ideas the left has been floating around in this grand discussion it's having with itself....that one seems too stupid to gain much traction.

Well they do hold lots of power in college campuses etc. But what I'm worried about are ANTIFA and it's sympathizers. People in the media have given them plenty of credit, not actually investigating what they mean by "anti-fascism". (They typically seem to mean people who disagree with them), While a number of media personalities tend to give them the benefit of the doubt even when they are the aggressors in a number of situations!

 

[Ana the Ist]

Well they do hold lots of power in college campuses etc. But what I'm worried about are ANTIFA and it's sympathizers. People in the media have given them plenty of credit, not actually investigating what they mean by "anti-fascism". (They typically seem to mean people who disagree with them), While a number of media personalities tend to give them the benefit of the doubt even when they are the aggressors in a number of situations!

The media has backed off of openly supporting them like they used to after Charlottesville....you won't see too many articles anymore talking about how they are basically good people who are just excited about stopping right wing extremists.

The problem is they aren't exactly talking about why they aren't really defending them either. They're just kind of pretending they don't exist. They've been arrested more times than I can count for assault and various other offenses....they've beaten and intimidated public speakers....they've continually threatened the media too.

The media stays quiet because of how they reported Charlottesville. They want everyone to agree that Trump was wrong for equating both sides with being violent. If they shined a spotlight on the violence that Antifa and its associates commit....well, that would be a bit like saying "You know what? Trump was right...these people are awful and should be stopped."

They won't do that until Trump is out of office.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

No I understand that you want more information....but what information do you want?

I want to wait for a few days to make sure that all the details of the story have been released.

 

[Chesterton]

....like maybe he hired this guy to punch him in the face to fake out the public into thinking that he was the victim of a hate crime??

Well the CNN headline does say he was "allegedly attacked".

 

[Ana the Ist]

Well the CNN headline does say he was "allegedly attacked".

If he is orchestrating a hoax to take advantage of the left's belief in the stories of victims....he forgot the most important part.

He's a straight white man. The left hasn't abandoned all skepticism of their claims. Automatic support for victims is reserved for everyone else.

 

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Richard Spencer calls for forced removal of other non whites from what he defines as white territories. He certainly repeats that he want's it done peacefully, but given all human history of how such plans are literally carried out, I think I can be confident that it is only a dishonest marketing spin to cover for his more open Nazi friends from the "unite the right" organisations.

As I previously stated, I am not denying that racist people exist in this country. However, the only "racial crisis" that exists is the one in the minds of the left that they fabricated as a result of their hatred for Trump and their disparity of becoming irrelevant.

 

[KCfromNC]

However, the only "racial crisis" that exists is the one in the minds of the left that they fabricated as a result of their hatred for Trump and their disparity of becoming irrelevant.

The only one at all, huh?

 

[Shemjaza]

As I previously stated, I am not denying that racist people exist in this country. However, the only "racial crisis" that exists is the one in the minds of the left that they fabricated as a result of their hatred for Trump and their disparity of becoming irrelevant.

They marched in a historically black neibourhood under swastika banners, then one of them killed one of the people there to protest against them.

The swastika means genocide, it means murder and it means evil. Those things need to be opposed... and saying "LOLs, it's a joke, we want peaceful ethnic cleansing." or "there's some very fine people here who just love their country." are nonsense.

 

[St. Helens]

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[Ophiolite]

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Actually, your motives are so transparent I don't really need to comment on them, so I'll just leave it for your words to speak for themselves.

 

[Jon Osterman]

Presumably, the attacker will be charged and convicted of assault. The video is pretty clear, identifies the attacker clearly, and demonstrates that the attacker assaulted the smaller guy when he was no physical threat. Case closed!

 

[Chesterton]

Actually, your motives are so transparent I don't really need to comment on them,...

You're commenting to say you don't need to comment?

...so I'll just leave it for your words to speak for themselves.

That's what words are for.

 

[Ophiolite]

You're commenting to say you don't need to comment?

My intention was to write a lengthy comment. I inadvertently hit the "Post Reply" before writing anything. Option1: leave a page blank except for your quoted post, but that would be rude. Option 2: Add the words deleted post. But that would be a lie. Option 3: Write the post I originally intended. However, by the time I got that done I would have inconvenienced several people by having them puzzle over a blank post. Hence, Option 4: A tart, trite, dismissive post that captured the intent if not the detail of my original thoughts.

That's what words are for. [Speak for themselves.]

Yet not always that well.

 

[redleghunter]

If you advocate free speech, you have chosen strange politics. Political conservativism in the US has never really supported free speech. Conservatives used to be known for wanting to jail flag burners, for instance. And of course they advocate gagging doctors and healthcare workers, among other things.

Did you read the OP?