Is it wrong that I keep Shabbat and do not "go to church" on Sunday?

[FireDragon76]

Messiah dealt with the curse of the law (the flesh)--overcoming it by His death and resurrection. Providing a way for me to love His Commandments and not be burdened by them.

We are still fleshly creatures even after regeneration, and the Law is still a burden.

 

[Tone]

We are still fleshly creatures even after regeneration, and the Law is still a burden.

Yes, they are burdensome to this body of death, but doesn't the inner man rejoice in it?

Romans 8:7
"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."

 

[ace of hearts]

I was being asked why I responded to your point as if it was to somoeone else. I was simply pointing out the sequence in the email trail - not complaining. You are welcomed to respond to any post here including mine no matter if the conversation starts with you or not. I have no problem with that.

Thanks

 

[ace of hearts]

you said "the Galatians were gentiles and former pagans. " -- and that is a fact. Paul is condemning their return to paganism, to observing pagan days... but they never were Jews - and were not "returning to obedience of what was called scripture" as if obeying scripture would be a bad thing.

Paul is not condemning scripture in Gal 4.

In fact when it comes to the Lev 23 list of annual holy days - in Rom 14 Paul defends them all and does not say that to observe one of them is to lose salvation.

Yes and Paul also says salvation isn't dependent on observing holy days.

Acts 15 is not about gentiles returning to paganism. Gal 4:8-10 is. Details.

Neither are about gentiles and paganism.

 

[FireDragon76]

Yes, they are burdensome to this body of death, but doesn't the inner man rejoice in it?

Romans 8:7
"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."

Paul is saying we live a psychologically complicated existence. He's not advocating legalism or a particularly religious mindset. He makes a relatively clean break with pharisaism.

 

[Saint Steven]

Messiah dealt with the curse of the law (the flesh)--overcoming it by His death and resurrection. Providing a way for me to love His Commandments and not be burdened by them.

What do you make of this? (the words of the Apostle Peter)

Acts 15:10-11
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

 

[ace of hearts]

That is not true at all. In Romans 14 Paul condemns anyone who would dare to say say anything against the Bible approved holy days of Lev 23. Paul was not only observing Bible holy days - he was also taking ceremonial vows in the temple and paying for other Christian Jews to do the same.

IN Gal 4:8-11 Paul condemns even one observance of a pagan holy day.

Details.

You need to read what the Scripture says.

 

[FireDragon76]

That is not true at all. In Romans 14 Paul condemns anyone who would dare to say say anything against the Bible approved holy days of Lev 23. Paul was not only observing Bible holy days - he was also taking ceremonial vows in the temple and paying for other Christian Jews to do the same.

Paul observed Jewish holy days because he was a Jew. This would be like an American observing American holidays, or an English person observing English holidays. It has nothing to do with salvation as Paul articulated it.

 

[ace of hearts]

They don't get excluded from going to heaven simply because they agree that "Taking God's name in vain" Ex 20:7 - is still a sin even for Christians.

Neither Jew nor gentile can go from being lost - to being saved - simply because they stop taking God's name in vain.

Nor can lost gentiles be saved by forcing them to stop taking God's name in vain.

You are introducing an argument against an Idea that is not being promoted here with any one of the commandments.

You're demanding allegiance to the famous 10 for salvation.

 

[Saint Steven]

Yes and Paul also says salvation isn't dependent on observing holy days.Neither are about gentiles and paganism.

I'll have to agree with Tone about Gal 4:8-10. It is about gentiles returning to paganism. As I understand it.

 

[ace of hearts]

That's interesting. Where did you find information that the Galatians were a mixed group? (Jews and Gentiles) My sources say they were gentiles.

All groups of Christians had Jews in the early church. Paul preached Jesus in the synagogue first everywhere there was one.

 

[Saint Steven]

Yes, they are burdensome to this body of death, but doesn't the inner man rejoice in it?

Romans 8:7
"Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be."

This is where definitions become critical.

Look how the term "God’s law" is used in these scriptures below.
The Apostle Paul differentiates between "the law" and "God’s law".
Not the same thing. Especially in the 1Cor. reference below.
And in the Rom. references we see the same Apostle that bashes "the law" speak positively of "God’s law". Especially in Rom,7:22.

Romans 8:7
The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.

Romans 7:22
For in my inner being I delight in God’s law;

1 Corinthians 9:20-22
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some.​

 

[ace of hearts]

Yeah, I believe it is the same Good Creator who gave us both (new and old) for our benefit...I treasure the Sabbath and see the value in giving us a rest, as well as the rest prescribed for the land, which we have failed to take advantage of and reap the consequences.

John 6:63
"The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you--they are full of the Spirit and life."

Don't you believe that the Ten Words are His words...the same Voice?

No - JN 1:17, Gal 3:19

 

[ace of hearts]

Messiah dealt with the curse of the law (the flesh)--overcoming it by His death and resurrection. Providing a way for me to love His Commandments and not be burdened by them.

Then why is no one in compliance with the law?

 

[ace of hearts]

The Sabbath was introduced in Genesis...

No sir.

 

[Saint Steven]

All groups of Christians had Jews in the early church. Paul preached Jesus in the synagogue first everywhere there was one.

Do you see anything in the book of Galatians that speaks to Jews in the church? (I don't)

 

[ace of hearts]

I'll have to agree with Tone about Gal 4:8-10. It is about gentiles returning to paganism. As I understand it.

Galatians is written to the whole church in Galatia. Pagans would have no interest in Paul's allegory in chapter 4. Paul is clearly addressing Jewish ideas. The whole book is about the law.

 

[ace of hearts]

Do you see anything in the book of Galatians that speaks to Jews in the church? (I don't)

Yes the whole book is about the law.

 

[ace of hearts]

We are still fleshly creatures even after regeneration, and the Law is still a burden.

Yes Rom 7:13-8:10.

 

[Saint Steven]

Galatians is written to the whole church in Galatia. Pagans would have no interest in Paul's allegory in chapter 4. Paul is clearly addressing Jewish ideas. The whole book is about the law.

Those Jewish ideas were coming from the Circumcision Group. (See Acts 15)
Outsiders that were trying to influence the gentile believers. (without authorization from the Apostles)

This passage in chapter four (vs 8-11) illustrates who they were.
And verse 17 below shows they were being influenced by a hostile outside force.

Galatians 4:8-11
Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. 9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11 I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you.

Galatians 4:17
Those people are zealous to win you over, but for no good. What they want is to alienate you from us, so that you may have zeal for them.