WHERE DOES IT SAY GOD'S SABBATH IS ABOLSIHED AND WE ARE COMMANDED TO KEEP SUNDAY AS A HOLY DAY?

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Just plain amazing. There's not truth means it's a lie to me. Your posting Rom 3:4 is very off topic and can't be about anything else except accusation. The cults are very good at this.
That might count as flaming.
 
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Hello Righterzpen,

That is not correct brother as shown in the earlier posts the GREEK WORD for SABBATON has many word meanings and it is the CONTEXT and the application of when the word is being used that determines the correct meaning.

You were also shown earlier.

The Greek translation of the HEBREW word for SABBATH is SABBATON σάββατον; sabbaton; Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

As shown above there are 5 meanings of the GREEK translation used as Sabbaton which include;

1, The Sabbath
2, A rest day from working
3, The interval between two Sabbaths (e.g. any day between one Sabbath to another)
4, Plural in all application of Sabbath day, week
5, WEEK (Seven days)

It is the application and the CONTEXT of the scripture that determines what definition is being applied. That is why for example when mia *DAY 1 σάββατον SABBATON is used and knowing the JEWISH and HEBREW naming convention of the says mia sabbaton is translated as the first day of the week or literal tranlater day 1 after the Sabbath (first day of the week) in this case the application of σάββατον SABBATON is to the WEEK.

The scripture do not say the first day of the week is the Sabbath. That is why most of the bible translations are translated as first day of the week.

Regarding the naming convention of day 1 after the Sabbath etc this was already brought up in my last post to you and is the reason that sabbaton has been used correcrtly and also translated correctly as day 1 after the Sabbath or first day of the SABBATON (week).

Now did you have any scripture to address the OP? Where is the scripture that says God's 4th Commandment has been Abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

Hope this helps.
Does this apply to the person running the generator to provide electricity for your fridge? Remember Ex 20:11? Doing business on the sabbath is also forbidden by the 4th commandment - See Nehemiah.
 
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No Scripture calling the sabbath the Lord's Day. Where is it?
Exactly right.
For a definition of the term "the Lord's Day" we need to look to the writings of the early church. As you probably know, the term "the Lord's Day" is used only once in the Bible (Rev.1:10) and is there not defined. However, the writings of the early church define the term as referring to the day of our Lord's resurrection, the first day of the week, the queen of days, the day of the sun, Sunday.
 
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Understood. Please note exactly what I said. I made no reference to the poster.
Yes. I was referring to what was said to you, not what you said.
 
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Well your post above brother I suggest you read the scriptures your quoting from nearly all of them show in the within scripture or chapter CONTEXT they are talking about the 10 Commandments by providing examples of one or more of God's 10 commandments (e.g Murder, Adultery, Coveting) These are all God's 10 commandments which determine CONTEXT.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.
The listing of sins isn't a reference to the famous 10.
 
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The Law of Moses (Torat Moshe) also known as the Mosaic Law primarily refers to the Torah for which the preponderance of evidence indicates exist as the first five books of the Hebrew Bible and the Christian Bible made up of Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. The Torah contains all 10 of the Ten Commandments. The reference to the Law of Moses in Acts 15:5 decisively refers to the Torah which includes the Ten Commandments. Jesus said "Do not think that I will accuse you before the Father; the one who accuses you is Moses" (John 5:45). Jesus Christ has set us believers free from the law of sin and death (John 8:31-32, Romans 8:2). Anyone who claims differently is a deceiver trying to deceive others away from the true Good Message of Yahúwah Yahushua haMashiyach.

The text of Acts 15 does not contain several phrases asserted by the Judaizers in this forum, specifically: "Law of Christ", "burden ... at one time", "follow God's law/commands", "keep God's law"; moreover, of criticality, the separation of the Law of Moses from the Law of Moses is an attempt by Judaizers to deform the gospel, whether intentionally or ignorantly; on the other hand, the text specifically states "the word of the Lord" which is the equivalent of the teachings of Yahúwah Yahushua haMashiyach.

One apparent Judaizer claimed something about Noahide Laws for the letter in Acts 15; however, no Scripture reference was provided, so that Judaizer's argument is disregarded as eisogetical.

Another evidential Judaizer returned to Acts 15:5 with a partially emboldened quote (the latter half): "But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses". This verse clearly and decisively holds both circumcision and keeping the law of Moses in view for the letter in Acts 15. Similar to the Pharisees of Acts 15, let us recall that the Pharisees did not understand Jesus' words as recorded by the Apostle Matthew while Lord Jesus and the disciples were travelling and eating on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-8). The Judaizers do not understand just like the Pharisees. The Apostle Paul wrote "the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions" (1 Timothy 1:5-7).

The Word of God warns against adding to or subtracting from the Word of God (Revelation 22:18-19, Deuteronomy 4:2 - Deuteronomy contains the Ten Commandments too, see Deuteronomy 5), and it appears these Judaizers commit the criminal offense against God in both regards.

Understand this, there is a lawful use of the law (1 Timothy 1:8). The sorrow over sin made manifest by the law is a lawful use of the law for the sorrow that is according to [the will] [of] God produces a repentance without regret, [leading] to salvation (continuing previous citation with 1 Timothy 1:9-10, also citing 2 Corinthians 7:10).

Understand this too, I am not saying anything was abolished, rather Jesus, the eternal God, is clear that He fulfilled (Matthew 5:17). An error of the Judaizers is adding to and subtracting from the Word of God to others.

Judaizers, cry out to Jesus the Lord, and may He mercifully grant you repentance!
 
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Yes. I was referring to what was said to you, not what you said.
OK, thanks. I think that's why his thread in the other forum was closed. I also think it's a if not the reason he's not posting there last I checked.
 
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The law of MOSES is not God's 10 commmandments *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26; EXODUS 24:7. ACTS 15 is not discussing God's 10 commandments it is debating the question; IS CIRCUMCISION A REQUIREMENT OF SALVATION? *ACTS 15:1-2 which is the CONTEXT and question for consideration of ACTS 15.

Your interpretation of the scriptures here brother is in contradiction with what PAUL says elsewhere and the rest of the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures. This outcome of ACTS 15 was that CIRCUMCISION is not a requirement of SALVATION.
The out come from Acts 15 is the Gentile wasn't required to keep the law of Moses by written letter, nor were they required to attend the synagogue which you don't do.
 
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"Are"? Are what? Are a shadow.
As compared to the "reality". Would you like to define that for us too?
Jesus said it best.

Matthew 23:24
You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
Did you not consider what I wrote? "Are" indicates PRESENT TENSE. This present tense verb indicates that these things; i.e. food/drink, festivals, new moons, Sabbath ARE CURRENTLY being observed/practiced by the Colossian Christians. These practices ARE a shadow of things to come. NOT WERE a shadow of things to come. If these practices/observances had ceased, then the use of "were" would have been appropriate but such is not the case is it? Do you now understand the grammatical construction of this verse which helps to interpret it? Or must I define it more for you?
 
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So you believe the New Covenant is yet to come? If that's so the NT is a lie.
Of course the New Covenant has come. It's the application of that Covenant that is being discussed here; each with his/her own opinion.
 
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Hello brother dstamps, nice to see you again. Jesus spoke in both parables and plainly to those who BELIEVED and FOLLOWED him.

God bless.
Great! Then we both know why Jesus was in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights and not some other time period.
 
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Did you not consider what I wrote? "Are" indicates PRESENT TENSE. This present tense verb indicates that these things; i.e. food/drink, festivals, new moons, Sabbath ARE CURRENTLY being observed/practiced by the Colossian Christians. These practices ARE a shadow of things to come. NOT WERE a shadow of things to come. If these practices/observances had ceased, then the use of "were" would have been appropriate but such is not the case is it? Do you now understand the grammatical construction of this verse which helps to interpret it? Or must I define it more for you?
Like this?

Colossians 2:17 NIV
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
 
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Hi brother Washed Luminary, nice to meet you and welcome :).

Thanks very much for your thoughts brother. Actually though God's 10 commandments are only a part of the OLD COVENANT. The OLD COVENANT was made up of God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) and also the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26. In the OLD COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW had the same role that it always has and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS while the SHADOW laws in the MOSAIC BOOK of the law *EXODUS 24:7 included the laws of what to do if anyone broke God's 10 any of God's ETERNAL LAW (e.g. burnt offerings, sin offerings meat and drink offerings, cermonial Sanctuary laws, Levitical Priesthood, annual feasts). All of these laws are the SHADOW laws that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation for mankind in the NEW COVENANT.

GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) however under the NEW COVENANT have the same role they always have and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. However, we are saved from SIN not to continue in sin. God's WORD says that All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of SIN when broken.

With this in mind the OP is simply asking the questions where in all of God's WORD does it say God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY?

JESUS says that all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

God's people are in every church *JOHN 10:16 and He knows that many break this commandment out of IGNORANCE because what they have been taught in the Churches they may be in. JESUS says that the hour is coming and NOW is that he will call his people out from following the teachings and tradtions of men to worship God in Spirit and in truth according to his WORD *JOHN 4:23-24

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Hope this helps.

Hi brother Washed Luminary, nice to meet you and welcome :).

Thanks very much for your thoughts brother. Actually though God's 10 commandments are only a part of the OLD COVENANT. The OLD COVENANT was made up of God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) and also the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26. In the OLD COVENANT God's ETERNAL LAW had the same role that it always has and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS while the SHADOW laws in the MOSAIC BOOK of the law *EXODUS 24:7 included the laws of what to do if anyone broke God's 10 any of God's ETERNAL LAW (e.g. burnt offerings, sin offerings meat and drink offerings, cermonial Sanctuary laws, Levitical Priesthood, annual feasts). All of these laws are the SHADOW laws that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation for mankind in the NEW COVENANT.

GOD'S ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) however under the NEW COVENANT have the same role they always have and that is to give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. However, we are saved from SIN not to continue in sin. God's WORD says that All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

God's 4th commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of SIN when broken.

With this in mind the OP is simply asking the questions where in all of God's WORD does it say God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a HOLY DAY?

JESUS says that all those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

God's people are in every church *JOHN 10:16 and He knows that many break this commandment out of IGNORANCE because what they have been taught in the Churches they may be in. JESUS says that the hour is coming and NOW is that he will call his people out from following the teachings and tradtions of men to worship God in Spirit and in truth according to his WORD *JOHN 4:23-24

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Hope this helps.

I was originally planning on working through the questions in your OP one at a time but after taking a closer look at them I realized they are basically the same few questions reworded differently. So first I want to address your reply to my first comment regarding the ten commandments actually being the old covenant itself. Here are some scriptures to show that The ten commandments are the very words of the Old Covenant. Ex. 34:28, Deu. 4:13, Deu. 9:9, Deu. 9:11, Deu. 9:15, Deu. 10:14, 1Ki. 8:21.
This also explains why we called the ark, the ark of the Covenant because it is a box which was designed to carry the Covenant in.

next I wanted to point out that just as circumcision is the covenant sign of the Abrahamic Covenant Gen. 17:11
Likewise, Sabbath keeping is the Covenant sign of the Mosaic Covenant Ex. 31 12-13

With that being said I would now like you to read Gal. 3:16-19, and notice in verse 19 where it says "it was added because of transgression TILL THE SEED SHOULD COME." That seed is Christ. This shows that the Mosaic Covenant had an expiration date.
Physical circumcision was pointing to circumcision of the heart, just as physical Sabbath keeping (rest) was pointing to our rest in Christ from our works. He did it all for us and there's nothing anyone else can pretend to do. Hallelujah praise be to Christ!
 
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The challenge I am putting up here in the OP is for anyone to show even one scripture that says God's 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments (Exodus 20:8-11) which was spoken and written by God himself to his people, has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Can anyone please show me where in all the bible does is say (SOLA SCRIPTURA; Scripture only please)...

1. That God's 4th commandments 7th day Sabbath has been abolished?

2. That Jesus is a Sabbath?

3. The Sabbath (seventh day) was ever changed from the seventh to the first day of the week?

4. Where we are told to keep the first day of the week holy?

5. Where the first day of the week (Sunday) is ever called a holy day?

6. That says that Jesus ever kept the first day (Sunday)?

7. That tells us to keep the first day in honour of the resurrection of Christ?

8. Where the first day is ever given any sacred name?

9. That affirms that any of the apostles ever kept the first day as the Sabbath?

10. From any apostolic writings that authorizes Sunday observance as the Sabbath of God?

11. Where we are told not to work on the first day of the week?

12. That says the seventh day is no longer God's Sabbath day?

13. That says the seventh day Sabbath is ABOLISHED?

14. Where the apostles ever taught any convert to keep the first day of the week as a Sabbath?

15. Where the first day was ever appointed to be kept as the Lord's Day?

16. Where the first day of the week is ever called the Lord's Day?

17. That says that the first day of the week was ever sanctified and hallowed as a day of rest?

18. That says that the Father or the Son (Jesus) rested on the first day of the week?

19. That says that Jesus, Paul or any other of the apostles taught anyone to observe the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

20. That calls the seventh day the “Jewish Sabbath” or one text that calls Sunday the “Christian Sabbath”?

21. Telling man to keep the first day of the week holy or to worship or rest on the first day of the week?

22. Authorizing anyone to set aside God's Sabbath and observe any other day?

23. Showing any of the apostles keeping the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

24. Authorizing someone to set aside the fourth Commandment and observe any other day of the week?

25. Where any apostle taught us to keep the first day of the week as the Sabbath?

26. Declaring that the seventh day is no longer the Eternal Sabbath day?

27. Where Sunday is now appointed to be kept as the New Testament Sabbath or holy day?

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Something to think about here because we are all accountable to God come judgment day where we will all be judged by the Word of God (John 12:47-48).

God's Word makes it very clear that if we follow the teachings of men over the Word of God we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3],
[3], But he answered and said unto them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift devoted to God, whatsoever you might have received from me;
[6], And honors not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God void by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
[8], These people draw near unto me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

If we are KNOWINGLY breaking ANY of God's commandments we are not worshipping God.

Look forward to your thoughts...
This is not an issue of the Sabbath only, this is an issue of the entire Mosaic Covenant. This old Covenant was broken therefore God
(Jesus) came to establish a New Covenant and fulfilled it all by himself.
 
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If you want to know when the Sabbath is, look to the Jews. They have been keeping it every seven days since Exodus chapter sixteen. (manna collection)

But the Sabbath Day under the Gregorian calendar, which most Jews observe, is not the exact same day of the week in the whole of time as it was under the old Julian Calendar which the Jews also observed. So there you are.
 
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Hi brother NeedyFollower, nice to meet you and thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.
Yes I agree that we need to seek JESUS everyday because it is only as we continue in his WORD by BELIEVING and FOLLOWING him that he changes our hearts to LOVE as he first LOVED us. JESUS tells us that if we knowingly follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God we are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. God's WORD says if we break ANY ONE of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

I believe God's people are in every church *JOHN 10:16 and He knows that many break this commandment out of IGNORANCE because what they have been taught in the Churches they may be in. JESUS says that the hour is coming and NOW is that he will call his people out from following the teachings and tradtions of men to worship God in Spirit and in truth according to his WORD *JOHN 4:23-24

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

God bless and thanks for sharing.
Being a student of history ( and particularly christian history ) , I understand that the "recognizable church " was the catholic church from which we get Christmas ( Christ' Mass ) . I also am given to understand that the building of buildings and calling them churches was most likely encouraged by Constantine ( who I would not recognize as a follower according to his life ) I also recognize that the protestant churches kept many of the traditions such as sunday worship along with a "pastor/priest / leader " who brought the world of God to the audience . These are all traditions of men and of course the SDA also follow many of them .
Sunday worship is actually a commandment of God . ( This is the day the Lord has made, I will rejoice and be glad in it ..I do not believe this was in reference to a sabbath ) ...of course if God did not make Sunday , we should not rejoice . Sunday is not the sabbath but we also know that some people keep every day and it was not uncommon for the early church to keep every day as a holy day . ( And they went from house to house daily breaking bread . ) When you gather on the first day of the week , etc.
I have attended a SDA gathering but it seems to me anyway , that there is a feeling of superiority because they observe the actual sabbath and are keeping the commandment . ( I am aware of EW's teaching regarding Sunday worship as the fulfillment of the scripture regarding changing the times and seasons . ) One of the biggest concerns with any group is when we start thinking we are " keeping" the law ( including the ten commandments )and start comparing ourselves with others who we believe are not . It will ultimnatley lead to spiritual pride which is like carbon monoxide . It can easily become a "check off the box " observance to God and a sign of superiority ...it almost can't help to . I am not against those who wish to observe only one day of worship and or/rest and that day the Jewish Sabbath for Paul gives allowance for that . But I would count it as naught regarding my righteousness for otherwise Christ died in vain . And Christ did not die so I could worship on a Saturday or a Sunday or a Monday or a Tuesday . He did not die that I could keep the Law . He died so I could be reconciled to God our Father through the forgiveness of Sin and by the power of regeneration , via the Holy Spirit , love our Father and keep his commandments . ( The greatest being love . ) Again , I believe that every day is the Lord's Day .
 
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Colossians 2:17 NIV
These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.
Yeah, like that - because it demonstrates your continued ignorance of the Greek. "Were" is not an accurate translation in this verse. A better translation should read:
These are but a shadow of what is coming (mellontōn | μελλόντων | pres act ptcp gen pl neut), but the reality is found in Christ. Mellontōn is a present tense verb. So these observances/practices ARE a shadow of what is coming or things coming.
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