Flat Earth - It's NOT Ridiculous

[USincognito]

Point of interest, sometimes it even goes backwards during solar eclipses, known as the Allais Effect. I suppose that means to globers that the earth reverses direction? Who knows. I'm sure there's a few made-up excuses we can choose from.

Oops, looks like we have a situation similar to the senelion eclipse where he makes a claim based on Flerf videos, but when fact checked the claim doesn't pan out.

The Allais effect is a claim and hasn't been substantiated. Experiments have inconclusive.
Allais effect - Wikipedia

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Whoops, forgot to add one.

When you learn the instrument known as the Foucault Pendulum that is designed to move with the rotation of the earth frequently stops and requires an electromagnetic motor to continue motion, it's not unreasonable to assume the earth is not in motion.

Point of interest, sometimes it even goes backwards during solar eclipses, known as the Allais Effect. I suppose that means to globers that the earth reverses direction? Who knows. I'm sure there's a few made-up excuses we can choose from.

Foucault Pendulums are damped oscillators that stop naturally, mainly due to air resistance, so they're given a periodic nudge to keep them going; no mystery there. The Foucault Pendulum was intended to demonstrate Earth's rotation (by its precession in response to the Coriolis effect), not to be powered by it. If that was possible, we'd see 'free energy' and 'perpetual motion' machines using them, or perpetual clocks (there are 'perpetual' clocks that run off atmospheric pressure changes).

The existence of the Allais effect is debatable, having conflicting experimental results - several high accuracy gravitometer studies have found no effect. It may be a systematic experimental error, although there have been various highly speculative suggestions as to how it could be explained if it's 'real'. None I've yet seen invoke a flat Earth.

But assuming, for the sake of argument, that the Allais effect is real, we should expect flat Earth theory to provide an explanation for it. Can you provide an explanation, or point us to those threads where you've "... discussed the science in great detail." or the links to papers by qualified mathematicians, physicists, & engineers that provide a full mathematical treatment of flat Earth theory, that you say you've posted "on numerous occasions on past threads"?

Or does the apparent absence of that information on this site suggest that the Round Earth Conspiracy has taken control of Christian Forums and deleted them?

 

[SeventyOne]

You just admitted that the only convincing evidence you have won't be available until after death or Armageddon. That might make sense for abstract spiritual questions, but for something as simple and physical as the shape of the earth, that's a really poor excuse.

Surely if the earth was flat, there would be tons of simple ways to demonstrate it. But your side won't suggest any because you know that they won't support your ideas. Every physical test and experiment that any common person can do proves you wrong, in fact.

Did you see any of my last few posts? I gave point after point as to why one can draw a reasonable conclusion the earth is flat and motionless, as the scriptures themselves proclaim. There are indeed 'tons' of ways to demonstrate it, assuming one opens their eyes and actually looks for them.

The only thing I admitted about the truth being revealed in the end is to show those who refused to acknowledge the truth during their lives. That's not the point in time where I'll understand it, it's all those who do not.

 

[SeventyOne]

Is this really a belief? I always thought the Flat Earth Society was just a joke about what people thought a long time ago?

If the earth was really flat, why is it round? And why are all of the other planets, stars, suns etc round?

The Flat Earth Society is a joke, but flat earth is not.

Presumably speaking as a christian, why would you assume the earth, created on day 1, was anything similar in nature to those things you described that were created on day 4?

 

[SeventyOne]

Foucault Pendulums are damped oscillators that stop naturally, mainly due to air resistance, so they're given a periodic nudge to keep them going; no mystery there. The Foucault Pendulum was intended to demonstrate Earth's rotation (by its precession in response to the Coriolis effect), not to be powered by it. If that was possible, we'd see 'free energy' and 'perpetual motion' machines using them, or perpetual clocks (there are 'perpetual' clocks that run off atmospheric pressure changes).

The existence of the Allais effect is debatable, having conflicting experimental results - several high accuracy gravitometer studies have found no effect. It may be a systematic experimental error, although there have been various highly speculative suggestions as to how it could be explained if it's 'real'. None I've yet seen invoke a flat Earth.

But assuming, for the sake of argument, that the Allais effect is real, we should expect flat Earth theory to provide an explanation for it. Can you provide an explanation, or point us to those threads where you've "... discussed the science in great detail." or the links to papers by qualified mathematicians, physicists, & engineers that provide a full mathematical treatment of flat Earth theory, that you say you've posted "on numerous occasions on past threads"?

Or does the apparent absence of that information on this site suggest that the Round Earth Conspiracy has taken control of Christian Forums and deleted them?

Yea, that's one excuse I've heard for their failure. Flat earthers don't have some of the science figured out yet, but by the same token neither do ball earthers, but they do sure like to make a great show of their ignorance and claim to know things. If you wish to touch on my other points and provide excuses, you are free to do so.

 

[SeventyOne]

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Must be fake right?

Keep in mind the last time we were shown the back side of the moon, it looked like this...

You're free to pick and choose which is fake. Hint, it's both.

 

[SeventyOne]

Ok, I'm out for a while. It's vacation time with the wife.

Stay gullible, my friends!!

 

[Whyayeman]

If the earth is flat, the shortest air route from London to New York would be to take a course a little south of westerly. Yet all flights from London fly the length of the UK ( a little west of northerly). Are the pilots stupid, or do they know that the shortest route to New York is via a Great Circle, based on the understanding that the earth is a globe?

Flat Earthers would have us believe that to keep a secret airlines prefer to waste their money on extra fuel to go a longer way round (pun intended).

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Yea, that's one excuse I've heard for their failure. Flat earthers don't have some of the science figured out yet, but by the same token neither do ball earthers, but they do sure like to make a great show of their ignorance and claim to know things. If you wish to touch on my other points and provide excuses, you are free to do so.

If you'd like to answer the questions I raised, you're free to do so.

But I don't think you can or will.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Ok, I'm out for a while. It's vacation time with the wife.

Stay gullible, my friends!!

Bye now, missing you already!

 

[pitabread]

The Flat Earth Society is a joke, but flat earth is not.

No, they're both jokes. Definitely jokes.

 

[Legroom]

The Flat Earth Society is a joke, but flat earth is not.

Presumably speaking as a christian, why would you assume the earth, created on day 1, was anything similar in nature to those things you described that were created on day 4?

Because the earth is round. The people who wrote the Bible didn't know that the earth is round.

 

[Radagast]

When you learn the instrument known as the Foucault Pendulum that is designed to move with the rotation of the earth frequently stops and requires an electromagnetic motor to continue motion

Add that to the list of things you don't seem to understand.

 

[Radagast]

How bizarre. It's as if he didn't even see post #261.

That's how flat-earthism works.

 

[Radagast]

If the earth is flat, the shortest air route from London to New York would be to take a course a little south of westerly. Yet all flights from London fly the length of the UK ( a little west of northerly). .

Flat earthers believe that the world looks like this. The route from London to New York is not the main problem. It's Southern Hemisphere routes that are the problem. Sydney to Santiago, for example.

 

[SpiritualBeing]

Keep in mind the last time we were shown the back side of the moon, it looked like this...

You're free to pick and choose which is fake. Hint, it's both.

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One satellite is orbiting Earth at million miles away and the other one is orbiting the moon. You haven’t shown any evidence either photo is fake. Your statement they are fake is merely your own opinion.

 

[mama2one]

Flat earthers believe that the world looks like this.

wondering how it would look
we have a big cloth flat map on wall and some continents are split and kept wondering where the split would be for FE'ers

 

[Aldebaran]

wondering how it would look
we have a big cloth flat map on wall and some continents are split and kept wondering where the split would be for FE'ers

They believe Antarctica is a ring around the outside rim.

 

[Radagast]

wondering how it would look
we have a big cloth flat map on wall and some continents are split and kept wondering where the split would be for FE'ers

Did you not look at that picture?

Flat-earthers believe a lot of silly things. It doesn't help to accuse them of things they don't believe.

 

[USincognito]

Oops, looks like we have a situation similar to the senelion eclipse where he makes a claim based on Flerf videos, but when fact checked the claim doesn't pan out.

The Allais effect is a claim and hasn't been substantiated. Experiments have inconclusive.
Allais effect - Wikipedia

In case any of you missed it in the other thread, SeventyOne repeated the flat earth claim that selenelion (that is a lunar eclipse that is happens when the sun is above the horizon) is impossible in the standard model. This claim is yet another distortion of reality by flat earthers. The way they say it, you'd think the sun was high in the sky along with the moon when in actuality both the sun and moon are right on the horizon and subject to refraction.

Here's an admittedly primitive graphic I made showing it's not the problem they think it is.

Flat earthers would have us think that we obseve C when in actuality A is was happens and B is what we observe due to refraction.