A question about Job.

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The "key".

The "key" to understanding Job himself, and the entire BOOK of Job is this:

"There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." ~Job 1:1

The above verse is rooted in this very PROFOUND verse below in the Bible. It is about "fearing God". And that "fearing God is the root of all "wisdom":

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." ~Proverbs 9:10

This "key" is the very foundation to understanding Job himself and the entire book of Job, from beginning to end.

God already ESTABLISHES "who" Job is from the very beginning.

Anyone who came along and and accused Job of being evil and wicked, was either blatantly lying, or didn't know Job very well, or God.

Even Job's wife, in her anger, testified to Job's uprightness (integrity), when she told him to "abandon" it, and curse God, and die.
 
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The bottom line is, that Job maintained his integrity throughout the entire inexplicably horrendous ordeal upon ordeal, and he did NOT curse God.

In essence, his maintaining his integrity against a tsunami and then some of odds, and NOT cursing God, essentially shut the yammering mouth of Satan. Of course Job wasn't aware of this. Job, through ALL of this, kept seeking God as he had always done, and was akin to how Jesus was struggling on the cross when He called out to God, asking Him why He had "forsaken" Him. Job felt "forsaken" by God. God seemed nowhere to be found.

In spite of it all, he maintained his integrity, and did not curse God.

That is why God chose Job. It is because this is who Job was, according to God Himself, Who "described" Job:

"There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.” " ~Job 1:1

The bottom line, and what the entire book of Job rests on is this:

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." ~Pr 9:10

Job "feared" God.

Therefore he was wise and he had understanding even before Satan was given permission to come at Job with the equivalent of one tsunami after another.

GOD prevailed. His servant who "feared" Him did not do as Satan was counting on him doing, thus rendering Satan not only silent, but his accusations null and void. Satan was, in essence, "mocking" God, right there in the heavenly realm, for all to see. He was soooooo counting on Job folding under all of the mountainous inexplicable torturings, and "turning" on God. What he had forgotten is that Job was EXACTLY as God described him, and that was, a man who "feared God", and eschewed evil. If in fact Job was a man who "feared" God, he was ALREADY "cemented" to God in body, mind, soul, and spirit. God KNEW this. He KNEW Job.

Satan didn't. He got it wrong from the gitgo BIG TIME. God KNEW this.

Job, God's own "witness", "testified" in front of all of heaven that what Satan was accusing God of, was groundless. God KNEW this already. It's because He KNEW Job's "heart".

Thus, in spite of it all, he maintained his integrity, and did not curse God. He was what God has repeatedly called genuine men of God throughout His Word, and that is a "wise-hearted" man.

God KNEW Job's "heart" waaaay before this all started and before Satan raised his ooooogly falsely-accusing sawwy head in accusations against God, and his false accusations against Job.

Thus why Jesus Himself called Satan the "father of lies", amongst other things.

Satan was thwarted at his own game, that he himself started from the gitgo.

Satan publicly trounced himself for all of heaven to glaringly see and witness. It wasn't GOD Who was found to be erring here, nor was it Job. It was Satan, the accuser and the "father of lies" himself.

Check mate Satan.

Mission accomplished.

Amen.
 
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What Satan meant for evil, and a blot against God, God transformed it into good, and a living, breathing testimony, for all to see, through His servant Job.

This verse comes to mind:

"But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good" ~Gen 50:20
 
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Job 42 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

Job Speaks: I Admit That I Was Wrong
Then Job answered the Lord,


2 “I know that you can do everything
and that your plans are unstoppable.


3 “You said, ‘Who is this that belittles my advice
without having any knowledge about it?’
Yes, I have stated things I didn’t understand,
things too mysterious for me to know.


4 “You said, ‘Listen now, and I will speak.
I will ask you, and you will teach me.’
5 I had heard about you with my own ears,
but now I have seen you with my own eyes.
6 That is why I take back what I said,
and I sit in dust and ashes to show that I am sorry.”

Bible Gateway passage: Job 42 - GOD’S WORD Translation
 
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Job 42 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)

Job Speaks: I Admit That I Was Wrong
Then Job answered the Lord,


2 “I know that you can do everything
and that your plans are unstoppable.


3 “You said, ‘Who is this that belittles my advice
without having any knowledge about it?’
Yes, I have stated things I didn’t understand,
things too mysterious for me to know.


4 “You said, ‘Listen now, and I will speak.
I will ask you, and you will teach me.’
5 I had heard about you with my own ears,
but now I have seen you with my own eyes.
6 That is why I take back what I said,
and I sit in dust and ashes to show that I am sorry.”

Bible Gateway passage: Job 42 - GOD’S WORD Translation

Did Job maintain his integrity? Did Job curse God? Did Satan "win" here?

Why did God even allow Satan to come at Job with all that he had (except to not kill him?)

Did God KNOW Job? Was Job a "godly" man?

How did God describe Job?

What was God looking for, through all of this, and at the very conclusion of it all?

Who "won"?

Who was rendered silent from their incessant accusations?

Was this about "Job"?

At ALL?
 
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This applies to Job's "season of suffering" or ANY of our own:

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This applies as well. If anything, i don't know what ELSE Job's inexplicable suffering, from ev'ry direction imaginable, would describe Job's affliction, non-stop, with one inexplicable "boom" after the other. It also applies to us in our own seasons in that "furnace of affliction":

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Job 19:6 Know now that God hath overthrown me, and hath compassed me with his net.
Job 19:7 Behold, I cry out of wrong, but I am not heard: I cry aloud, but there is no judgment.
Job 19:8 He hath fenced up my way that I cannot pass, and he hath set darkness in my paths.
Job 19:9 He hath stripped me of my glory, and taken the crown from my head.
Job 19:10 He hath destroyed me on every side, and I am gone: and mine hope hath he removed like a tree.
Job 19:11 He hath also kindled his wrath against me, and he counteth me unto him as one of his enemies.
Job 19:12 His troops come together, and raise up their way against me, and encamp round about my tabernacle.
Job 19:13 He hath put my brethren far from me, and mine acquaintance are verily estranged from me.


Nothing said here by Job is true. He is blaming God for what Satan has done. He will eventually see the error of his terrible accusations and repent:


Job 42:1 Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
Job 42:2 I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
Job 42:3 Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
Job 42:4 Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
 
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Job 19:6 Know now that God hath overthrown me, and hath compassed me with his net.
Job 19:7 Behold, I cry out of wrong, but I am not heard: I cry aloud, but there is no judgment.
Job 19:8 He hath fenced up my way that I cannot pass, and he hath set darkness in my paths.
Job 19:9 He hath stripped me of my glory, and taken the crown from my head.
Job 19:10 He hath destroyed me on every side, and I am gone: and mine hope hath he removed like a tree.
Job 19:11 He hath also kindled his wrath against me, and he counteth me unto him as one of his enemies.
Job 19:12 His troops come together, and raise up their way against me, and encamp round about my tabernacle.
Job 19:13 He hath put my brethren far from me, and mine acquaintance are verily estranged from me.


Nothing said here by Job is true. He is blaming God for what Satan has done. He will eventually see the error of his terrible accusations and repent:


Job 42:1 Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
Job 42:2 I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
Job 42:3 Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
Job 42:4 Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
Job 42:5 I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
Job 42:6 Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

Job sinned?

If so, what sin, in particular, did he commit?

On another note, was this about Job?
 
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Yes, and he repented.



He said untrue things about God. It amounts to cursing God.



Yes.

He never cursed God.

It was Job's "friends" that God said spoke un-rightly about God, even as God said Job spoke "rightly" about Him.

How was God allowing Satan to un-leash all he could (except death) about "Job"?

How/Why did this entire scenario originate?
 
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He never cursed God.


He did it multiple times throughout the majority of the book which is why God chastised him for several chapters which caused Job to understand how wrong he had been and repent.
 
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He did it multiple times throughout the majority of the book which is why God chastised him for several chapters which caused Job to understand how wrong he had been and repent.

Job was not aware of the conversation that God had with Satan before all of this unfolded. He was seeking God throughout all of it. He felt forsaken/abandoned by God just as Jesus Christ, when He was hanging on the cross did when He cried out asking 'My God my God why has thou forsaken me?'

Job did not curse God. Not once.
 
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Job: The Wise-Hearted.

i was just meditating on the verse about the fear of the Lord, and Job came to mind. As i think on it, and the many times that God speaks of the "wise-hearted" throughout His Word, that Job was surely "wise-hearted".

For how can any one be "wise-hearted" WITHOUT the "fear of the Lord"? It is that very thing that is the epitome of wisdom, and that is the "fear of the Lord", as it is written in this verse:

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." ~Pr 9:10

Job was a "wise-hearted" man of God, which is akin to an "un-divided" heart, which is very precious to God, as it is written all throughout His Word.

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The question is....

Was all that occurred in the Book of Job, when his children were killed, and all that fell and came crashing down in his life like dominoes, about "job"?

(By the way, have you ever felt like that?)

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Thoughts on Job.

I came across this study and meditation on Job that hit on some points that are often overlooked. It's covering the very "basics" of Job's "heart for God, and gives clarity to why God said this repeatedly about Job:

"There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." ~Job 1:1

Job FEARED God.

This verse below gives clarity as well about Job and his "wisdom". He was and lived out the epitome of this verse:

"The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding." ~Pr 9:10

He Fell On the Ground and Worshipped

Excerpt:
I thought I knew the story of Job well. I always knew Job’s reaction to the things that be-fell him was worship. But when I re-read it yesterday, it occured to me that I didn’t ever realize that he IMMEDIATELY worshiped. I guess I thought he questioned God, or mourned for a while before coming to the place where he could worship. But how encouraging that after learning that his entire life had been hit by severe tragedy and after being told he had not only lost possessions and servants, but also his own children whom he loved enough to regularly make sacrificial offerings for, his first response was to fall on the ground and worship!

I think this is so incredible. I can see myself getting to the place of worship after a week or two. Maybe. But after being hit with pain so deep in his heart that he probably could barely breathe, he falls on the ground and worships the God who could have stopped it.

But, see, worship was already in his heart. I don’t know that he had to make a choice in that moment to worship or not to worship. He already was a worshipper, so He did what he was. He responded out of what he was filled up with. The Proverb, “Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks” sings the same tune.

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He Fell On the Ground and Worshipped

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Hi Brinny

These are some of my thoughts on Job (truly a remarkable book)

Job 42: 3You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’
Surely I spoke of things I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me to know.
4“You said, ‘Listen now, and I will speak; I will question you,
and you shall answer me.’

Job was perfect and upright and feared God a shunned evil… but why, what was his character type, what was his motivation?…

Was it maybe because of who He thought God was?? Did He even know?… was his fear based on love for the Sovereign God, or was it out of duty ??... why?... (the question of the accuser)

Why did He make those regular offerings, was it too appease God?... like the many gods of the time... fear the gods and appease them by bringing offerings…?

And maybe thats the point of the test… because Job and His friends needed to know, that Our God is not like any other God… we worship Him because of who He is and not because of who we think He is, or what He can do for us?

The dialogue between Job and His friends brings Job to question his view of this Sovereign God, their view was skewed… He is not like any other… He alone is God. none other…

The dialogue with the friends allows me to see and relate to the internal turmoil Job experienced, his reasoning and his understanding… we get to see how volatile we become when God touches the core of who we are…

The beauty of this story is found in the layers surrounding Job, the touching of the first external layers of Jobs life (family, possessions etc), then the next layer of his outer person (his body etc)… till finally the core of who the man is?... God has to be sovereign overall… one of the lesson I extract from this…. You cannot know God, unless you also truly know who God is… But with that there is no deep knowing of God, without a deep knowing of oneself and no deep knowing of oneself without a deep knowing of God’

Job 42: 5My ears had heard of you
but now my eyes have seen you.
6Therefore I despise myself
and repent
in dust and ashes.”


Job echoes Isaiah when he saw the Holy, Holy, Holy God…
“Woe is me, for I am ruined!
I am a man of unclean lips and ...my eyes have seen the King (Isaiah 6)..

God in His Sovereignty allows us to see who we are… So we can truly see who He is…

We truly see how far we missed the mark… when He is the standard…

So why does Job endure suffering ???… Because he has seen and known God… So why do we endure suffering… we see and know Christ… He is our hope.
 
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