Why are most shooters men?

[section9+1]

It is the culture and what society has done to men. Men have all kinds of frustrations and mostly lead meaningless lives. As humans we are all made to work. But more than that, we are made to produce. That no longer happens. To work hard and produce anything these days is associated with manual labor and that means low wages and low status. But that is what we are made to do. A man may work very hard in front of a computer screen all day and when he shuts it off the evidence of his day's work amounts to nothing. He can go to the gym or golf course or play tennis and when all that work is done it still amounts to nothing. If we build a bird house we can go back tomorrow and see what we did. There is fulfillment in that. Years ago people worked hard and they produced. Farming, building, blacksmith, all producing things. Children worked and were meaningful contributors to the success of the family. Their lives had purpose and they were important. Now they are nothing but a troublesome, expensive burden to their parents. A hedonistic lifestyle is all that's open to them and they hate it. Most people are very unfulfilled, unhappy, self-consuming children even after they grow into adulthood. And they cannot handle it. It is the culture and the world we have made for ourselves.

 

[SkyWriting]

True. But usually when someone commits a crime they do research and they find out that they were playing violent video games. Especially mass shootings. Just because science hasn't found a link yet doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. I mean I used to play games like GTA and Doom and stuff like that and I was a pretty violent teenager. There had to be some kind of link. Especially when I don't play those kinds of games anymore and I'm usually not violent.

So therefore you stopped playing the games. The link is strong.

 

[SkyWriting]

Maybe a biological factor is involved here? I don't know... Maybe something like testosterone? I could just be guessing here... It's almost like men are more prone to be aggressive as God created them and women are just... evil in a more passive and manipulative form.

Now lets ask the question why 60 million babies have been aborted by women in the USA alone.

You mean women with guns? Becasue that would still be on topic....

 

[Sparagmos]

This is a great question, that our culture currently is not addressing.
Our culture wants to ask why women are so oppressed and kept out of decision making.

There is a simple answer to this question. Men like logical structures of belief, reasons to live and are less empathetic to those around them and keeping them happy.

This dislocation has the advantage if it is a good image or goal, it will be fought for through terrible situations. The downside is if an image or goal is painted where everyone is evil and out to get the individual, like in paranoia, it becomes very easy to then go out and kill these same people, because they are no longer people, but part of the reason the person is rejected.

In my family I had a classic problem that shows up the difference between men and women.
My daughter was having too much attention by someone in our church who I have contact with. This contact is fairly public but also has been rebuffed privately. I said it would affect my contact with this young man, and was told I was not allowed to "get involved" etc. and I was being sexist etc. and off they flew in a rage. What I meant was simply I needed to be careful how I approached this young man, nothing more, as I speak to them weekly at church.

Now my daughter was reacting emotionally and in an involved way with a very personal issue. I was just saying from a contact point of view, I should be careful what I say. Guys understand what I mean, women tend to side with my daughter, because any contact would be "weird". But the facts are I have weekly contact. It is this difference and how we are wired, that is so important to recognise. Too often women see only their way of relating, and not intrinsically men are different. But get a group of women as a group and men as a group and you will see it displayed all the differences how they groups function and how this is true everywhere in every culture. And this is a God given difference that we should celebrate and also recognise the weaknesses and strengths both have.

To make your point, you should probably have pointed out the weakness in your position, and given examples of the weakness in men, instead of only explaining how women’s weakness is a problem. Frankly, your story makes it sound like you value your relationship with that man more than the relationship with your daughter and the other women, as you didn’t seem concerned as to how your statement might upset them, but did seem concerned that you be careful what you said to him.

 

[Messerve]

Men tend to express their anger in a physical way.
Women tend to express their anger in a psychological way.

Women tend to destroy people they hate socially with gossip, spreading lies, dragging your image through the dirt, etc. They know that people are inclined to believe them because they're women, and they use that to their advantage. So no need for guns if you can get the same satisfaction out of seeing someone's life fall apart by your doing.

 

[fhansen]

Did testosterone increase over the years like the killings have? Something changed and we need to know what.

The per capita homicide rate is higher in the US than many other countries too, including countries that aren't particularly religious. And this has been true for a very long time. We have sort of an over emphasis on individualism, for one thing, and individual freedom, and also a strong sense of self-righteousness, I believe, perhaps fueled by our religious history?

Some countries, such as Japan, have historically placed much less focus on the individual, promoting a classless, group mentality and cooperation instead. With a much lower homicide rate. I'm not sure that we're not seeing the natural outgrowth in our country of the divisions that result in a pluralistic society together with the unique circumstances that make up our past and a growing cynicism and hopelessness in the world. Combined with the natural drive for males to dominate, whether in a right or wrong way. JustJust thoughts.

 

[Messerve]

Yeah I find that soooooo true. We have homeless people in our neighborhood, and their near death all the time, last night at around midnight one was outside my door screaming hellfire and bloody murder curses at someone, like they were going to kill them. I think that's why Obama pushed mental health care and intervention a lot. Perhaps that's what the feds find that links these crimes. There has been other political motivation to push health care and intervention. It's just wise I think.

Yes, I do believe depression is way more prevalent in men these days. And there really isn't a whole lot of support for men dealing with emotional/psychological issues in many areas. So despairing about life and the world and without a real reason to live, it doesn't surprise me at all that most shooters are men.

In contrast, the feminist movement is so strong these days, that I imagine it helps boost morale. I was just looking at a girl scout cookies box the other day and noticed that one of the photos on the box shows girls painting a picture that simply says things like "I'm amazing!" "You're beautiful!". Not that there's anything wrong with encouraging confidence in young girls, but what is the equivalent for young boys? Who would have boys consider themselves amazing? No one, because suddenly that's sexism and they're all obviously going to grow up to be rapists, right?

Oh, and what has changed over the years to make shootings more prevalent? Um... Jesus? If men are trying to find hope in women and sex and beer and money and fancy toys, many will fail and many will despair. Culture tells men that's what they should pursue. It didn't so much in the past.

 

[Invalidusername]

You mean women with guns? Becasue that would still be on topic....

The topic is "men are bad because of gun violence".

 

[Sparagmos]

It's not just shootings men tend to commit more crime in general whether it's child inappropriate contentography or robbery. I think its because of all the violent video games men play. Notice most women don't play violent video games or anything.

I do think violent video games are a problem, but the violence stats were pretty much the same before video games existed, and there are other countries where men play the same video games but there aren’t nearly as many violent crimes.

 

[devin553344]

So therefore you stopped playing the games. The link is strong.

If you read this article in psychology today: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...deo-games-and-movies-causing-violent-behavior, it points out that there are a few killers that did play video games, they still deny that video games played a part in the killings. Then deny the NRA's and some politicians stance that media is causing the epidemic. And also point out that a study was done in youth that reported more violence when playing more violent games. But blamed it on a tendency for violence that already existed in the youth. Which is irrelevant because if the video games played a part in promoting more violence in the already violent youth there is a connection.

It sounds like the psychologists aren't listening to reason and that's why there is no scientific evidence that violence in the media is causing this epidemic in some youth.

I don't know if you find that interesting, but I did.

 

[Sparagmos]

It has been since the beginning with Cain. He lost his countenance, moral composure, and resorted to rising up against his brother. Thank God not all men loose their composure to the point of murder but it is clear that the first murder was committed by a young male and continues till this day as the most disturbing reality.

And yet for years it was women that were barred or discouraged from leadership due to their supposed lack of emotional control...

 

[devin553344]

I do think violent video games are a problem, but the violence stats were pretty much the same before video games existed, and there are other countries where men play the same video games but there aren’t nearly as many violent crimes.

I read that the countries that don't have the violence have heavy gun regulation. In other words the violence is using knife bound attacks and they're excluding it from the reports as it's not gun assaults. For instance: Japan knife attack leaves 19 dead

 

[Sparagmos]

Maybe a biological factor is involved here? I don't know... Maybe something like testosterone? I could just be guessing here... It's almost like men are more prone to be aggressive as God created them and women are just... evil in a more passive and manipulative form.

Now lets ask the question why 60 million babies have been aborted by women in the USA alone.

When men encourage, endorse, pressure, and pay for women’s abortions they are equally responsible. So why do you put the blame solely on women?

 

[devin553344]

Yes, I do believe depression is way more prevalent in men these days. And there really isn't a whole lot of support for men dealing with emotional/psychological issues in many areas. So despairing about life and the world and without a real reason to live, it doesn't surprise me at all that most shooters are men.

In contrast, the feminist movement is so strong these days, that I imagine it helps boost morale. I was just looking at a girl scout cookies box the other day and noticed that one of the photos on the box shows girls painting a picture that simply says things like "I'm amazing!" "You're beautiful!". Not that there's anything wrong with encouraging confidence in young girls, but what is the equivalent for young boys? Who would have boys consider themselves amazing? No one, because suddenly that's sexism and they're all obviously going to grow up to be rapists, right?

Oh, and what has changed over the years to make shootings more prevalent? Um... Jesus? If men are trying to find hope in women and sex and beer and money and fancy toys, many will fail and many will despair. Culture tells men that's what they should pursue. It didn't so much in the past.

Yeah I see a lot of attacks against men reported in the media lately. And maybe many of them deserve it? But it's not helping men's moral and feeling of worth, I agree. And that's aiding the violence?

 

[LightLoveHope]

To make your point, you should probably have pointed out the weakness in your position, and given examples of the weakness in men, instead of only explaining how women’s weakness is a problem. Frankly, your story makes it sound like you value your relationship with that man more than the relationship with your daughter and the other women, as you didn’t seem concerned as to how your statement might upset them, but did seem concerned that you be careful what you said to him.

Here is the problem. No one can know how upset any party will be, you have to wait and see.
I love both my daughter and this young man. If you knew my daughter, you would know she is very blunt and direct and quite capable of handling everything fine. I would shake any young mans hand who can take on this fire brand and I have told my daughter this, and funnily her friends would agree with me.

The problem here is simply not just being open, and learning love is given freely and accepted freely. Anything less is not love. It is better to learn to declare ones feelings and have them shot down than to think it is meaningful if never expressed. Families are about this discussion, and the disagreements which are later resolved. Once you hide the emotional story things go extreme and emotions unchecked and unbalanced lead to these mass killings. It is why repressed emotions are the worst strategy anyone can take, because they always burst out in the end.

 

[Messerve]

Yeah I see a lot of attacks against men reported in the media lately. And maybe many of them deserve it? But it's not helping men's moral and feeling of worth, I agree. And that's aiding the violence?

I'm not saying guilty men don't deserve the results of their violent actions. But instead of preaching a "Men are all evil and dangerous" slogan, maybe we should look a little deeper and see what's actually going on? Because I don't believe every boy wants to be a murderer when he grows up... Something has to get him to that point. And if it isn't just physiological or circumstantial, it has to be something else.

 

[Hank77]

Sorry but women are not equipped to leadership. Look at who God appointed as leaders in ALL of the Bible. Men.

God appointed Deborah as the only judge over ALL Israel for 40 yrs.

 

[Archivist]

They have clean living and most importantly a mother (female) and father (male) parent unit in holy matrimony.

In relation to what we are discussing here, I would say most importantly they are taught that guns are tools--they use them for hunting--but that you never use a gun to shoot another human being.

 

[Invalidusername]

God appointed Deborah as the only judge over ALL Israel for 40 yrs.

Exception to the rules always exist. Even in the Bible.

 

[Archivist]

I'm not saying guilty men don't deserve the results of their violent actions. But instead of preaching a "Men are all evil and dangerous" slogan, maybe we should look a little deeper and see what's actually going on? Because I don't believe every boy wants to be a murderer when he grows up... Something has to get him to that point. And if it isn't just physiological or circumstantial, it has to be something else.

Despite some posts that have made such a claim, the OP never said that men are all evil and dangerous. We are simply discussing why it is men who are primarily responsible for mass shootings. What is the cause? How do we stop it?