On demand abortion is murder

[Pedra]

I posted scripture with no analysis. Nice try George.

Today at 4:31 PM#157Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

That is dishonest you are completely imposing your own meaning to text , your claim is more convincingly trolling--- not not representing Christian teachings but yours is opposed to obeying God's laws over men's. If the governing laws oppose GOD's law then Christians obey GOD's laws not being under submission to any human authority. When human laws represent immoral practices Christians are not to submit but to act according to their Holy Spirit filled conscience which teaches us ' Thou shall not commit murder". Pay attention to Romans 13:9
Clearly teaches we do not disobey God's Laws.
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1Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. 2Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves. 3For rulers are not a cause of fear for good behavior, but for evil. Do you want to have no fear of authority? Do what is good and you will have praise from the same; 4for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil. 5Therefore it is necessary to be in subjection, not only because of wrath, but also for conscience’ sake. 6For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. 7Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor.
8 Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, “YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT MURDER, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT COVET,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.” 10Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

11Do this, knowing the time, that it is already the hour for you to awaken from sleep; for now salvation is nearer to us than when we believed. 12The night is almost gone, and the day is near. Therefore let us lay aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light. 13Let us behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and sensuality, not in strife and jealousy. 14But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts."

 

[Hazelelponi]

You raise this point about Jews as a big crime instead of the crucifiction of Jesus (God Forbid) in scripture?

Matthew 26:52-54
Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?”

John 19
10 So Pilate said to Him, “Do You refuse to speak to me? Do You not know that I have authority to release You and authority to crucify You?” 11 Jesus answered, “You would have no authority over Me if it were not given to you from above.

according to you the Jews who offered Jesus up to be tried and punished by Rome should be praised because they were doing what their leaders told them to.

So, correct me if I'm wrong, but according to your posts the government can declare, against scripture, that it's okay to murder your child, and it is then a moral and just act because God handed over his sovereignty and law to individual governments who can now sit in God's seat and declare any morality they choose.... am I correct in saying this is the teaching being espoused in your various posts?

 

[redleghunter]

Local law says not.
5 Wherefore [ye] must needs be in subjection (to all authorities), not only because of the wrath, but also for conscience' sake.

The local law is in opposition to God’s law.

 

[redleghunter]

I forgive him. Let him live.
Scripture is not applicable now.

Huh

 

[redleghunter]

Also a discussion on whether there is life before birth, as in body with soul and spirit attachment..

Theologically is there ever a life without a soul?

 

[redleghunter]

No one has raised scriptural opposition so far.

They don’t have to. What you quote refutes your own claims.

 

[redleghunter]

Not a scriptural rebuke. Sorry.

In fact it is.

Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego refused a direct edict from the king of Babylon. They did because what was asked, idolatry, was a direct violation of God’s law.

 

[redleghunter]

Obey local government.

1 Peter 2:13-17
Be subject for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good.

Why did Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego disobey the human government? God delivered them. Same with Daniel who refused to worship the king. He was delivered from the lions den.

 

[redleghunter]

A great example. God was with him either way though.

You have truly gone where no one has gone before.

 

[redleghunter]

Nope. Fully posted and not one scriptural support for ignoring evil leaders.
God's will is for us to follow local government morality.

You’ve been asked this but won’t answer it.

Does this mean Chinese Christians need to turn themselves in to the government when a round up call is made?

As @Davidnic posted several times, by your reasoning Christians should have turned in Jews for genocide in Nazi Germany.

 

[redleghunter]

The creation of the Heavens, the earth and Man are also observable.....I'm told
Do you have the faith to step outside of time with me to view it? If not....Im fine with discussing what it is you believe.....

I thought Wesley Crusher was the time traveler.

 

[redleghunter]

The Scriptures are understood within the context that it's written and applying hermeneutics,not just imposing our own beliefs upon it.

Yes see that a lot unfortunately.

 

[RaymondG]

I thought Wesley Crusher was the time traveler.

But can he step out side of it?

 

[RaymondG]

Theologically is there ever a life without a soul?

Exactly, so the question is.....does the soul follow the sperm, or the beath. If the breath, can we really say life is being taken? Please ignore the question of the morality of taking a life.....as I even question one who steps on a bug when it is outside the house.....But I don't call them murderers.

 

[ICONO'CLAST]

I don't need to deflect.
The old testament law is obsolete.
Hebrews 8:13

Wrong...nothing cleanses the land except the blood of of the murderer.
Nothing has changed that principle.

 

[SkyWriting]

Wrong...nothing cleanses the land except the blood of of the murderer.
Nothing has changed that principle.

Thanks. I was not aware of that passage. I clears up a lot about the new promise made. I have not changed the Old Testament law. Scripture claims it obsolete.

Hebrews 8
13 By speaking of a new covenant, He has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and aging will soon disappear.

Luke 22:20
In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is poured out for you.

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

Hebrews 9:22
Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

Hebrews 9:14
How much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

 

[Blade]

The simple answer to go in and take a baby out before it born is sin/wrong murder. That being said.. if I was to ask does anyone here HATE your brother/sister.. guess how many "NO's" I would get. Yet is it not murder to God. To then ask.. sorry who are you to JUDGE Gods creation Gods kids? You cant see the heart you only see and judge based on flesh. As if that lie that lust that going 68 in a 65 ..that tiny sin is OK is not like MURDER..not like killing a BABY huh. We need to make this true. Easy to look out side in..

Then Exodus 20:13. What trying to apply that to now? Was it the same back then? Gonna be hard pressed to make a case about OBORNTION THEN vs NOW. Murder is wrong duh..but gee what did it cover back then? What was OK and what was not ok? They didn't have the LAW written on their heart like we do.

Whats the point of this? Did this SIN escape the blood of JESUS on the Cross? Again..just who are you to even judge? No really? Didn't this JUDGE get up take your place and set you free? And your now going to pass judgement because you say JESUS IS LORD..I LOVE YOU SO MUCH JESUS!

Yeah.. its personal. I know whats its like to look someone in face....if your going to do it.. then say it face to face. I had the WORD in my corner... I as right no? They in fact murdered.... know that pain do you? Jesus was standing with her. One think I could never see was the heart..you have no clue as the pain the guilt of something like that..then add the LOVING CHRISTIAN to judge to condemn..then Satan.

Lets not get silly here. You going to look at this then be TRUTHFUL. Its murder.. yes.. but a greater sin then ANY we do? Not to God.. ALL SIN He hates. Not like that lust that evil that lie is NOT as bad. God hates is JUST as much as murder.

So if it makes you feel better then only take "taking a baby before its born is murder". Any law of man that goes against the word not in line.. the believer does not follow. If I have some how offended..forgive me.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes see that a lot unfortunately.

I can fix all my references to include the context from now on.

 

[SkyWriting]

The Scriptures are understood within the context that it's written and applying hermeneutics,not just imposing our own beliefs upon it.

I know how you feel. I felt the same way for decades. Here is what I found:

Table of Old Testament quotes in the New Testament, in English translation

 

[SkyWriting]

Does this mean Chinese Christians need to turn themselves in to the government when a round up call is made?

(My reference links might now include all context)
I am unable to judge sin in the lives of other people. I am not qualified:

1 Samuel 16, 7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.