MAGA hat wearing teens mock and harass Native American Vietnam vet

[Shiloh Raven]

For reference, here is the article from Indian Country Today.

Outrage as non-Native youth wearing #MAGA hats taunt and disrespect Native elder

Nathan Phillips, Omaha, is a Vietnam Veteran who hosts a sacred pipe ceremony at Arlington, was taunted in D.C.

Native Twitter has gone ablaze as a Native American elder singing the AIM Song in Washington DC during the Indigenous Peoples March was ridiculed, taunted and mocked by a group of non-Native youth.

The video, which was posted by YouTube account holder KC NOLAND, was also screen captured and shared on other social media accounts with views shortly gaining tens of thousands of views.

The elder is Nathan Phillips, an Omaha elder who is also a Vietnam Veteran and former director of the Native Youth Alliance. He is also a keeper of a sacred pipe and holds an annual ceremony honoring Native American veterans in the Arlington National Cemetery.

Phillips is also the subject of a previous racially-based incident when he was taunted and harassed by Eastern Michigan University students who were dressed stereo-typically as Native Americans. As reported in FOX 2 News, he was yelled at and hit by a thrown beer can.

In a previous interview with Phillips, he told Indian Country Today that returning from Vietnam was not easy as a veteran. “People called me a baby killer and a hippie girl spit on me.”

Indian Country Today does not have further details, but will report as more details emerge.

 

[USincognito]

Boy, I don't know, man. You're really reaching on that one. But I don't think you're stupid, I think you lack attentiveness to details and are blinded by confirmation bias which has made you intellectually dishonest.

Wow, you're doubling down on it not being a Tomahawk chop? I realize you're a Kiwi and all, but seriously? You don't think an actual American who knows that the song they were pseudo-chanting is the Florida State Seminole war chant and that his - and others - gesture is exactly the same as the Tomahawk chop done by FSU students?

Seriously???

 

[Shiloh Raven]

That's a "Tomahawk" chop to you? Seems like a reach. One could say his half-committed raising of his hand to the chants similar to what most do at crowded metal concerts.

And while I'm sure there are multiple versions of this lame story, what I do know is that the Indian vet walked into the school kids not the other way around. Though I don't condone such acts from the kids, I'm not at all surprised by the reaction. Getting up in someone's face and chanting, is a well-known taunt in New Zealand culture (Haka war dance among schools) and though I could be mistaken (unlikely), I'm probably correct on the vets motivation to chant at the crowd.

Would you please specify in the OP article in question where it stated that the tribal elder walked into the school and he got up in their face and chanted? I quoted the entire article here in this post.

 

[Abraxos]

Wow, you're doubling down on it not being a Tomahawk chop? I realize you're a Kiwi and all, but seriously? You don't think an actual American who knows that the song they were pseudo-chanting is the Florida State Seminole war chant and that his - and others - gesture is exactly the same as the Tomahawk chop done by FSU students?

Seriously???

Even if it was a lame attempt at a karate chop, why is it automatically considered discriminatory based on a pre-conceived notion of cultural appropriation? I doubt many Americans are aware of the "chop" or even aware it's supposed to be offensive.

 

[USincognito]

Even if it was a lame attempt at a karate chop,

Karate chop? Do you even know what the Tomahawk chop is? Do you understand why I keep capitalizing it? If not, there's a really easy way to cure your ignorance.
Tomahawk chop - Wikipedia
and specifically:
Tomahawk chop - Wikipedia

why is it automatically considered discriminatory based on a pre-conceived notion of cultural appropriation?

Again, your ignorance as a New Zealander is easily remedied.
Please, Somebody Stop Atlanta Braves Fans From Chopping And Chanting
https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/5/1/4292152/yeah-the-tomahawk-chop-bugs-me-heres-why
Where Did the Tomahawk Chop Come From?

I doubt many Americans are aware of the "chop" or even aware it's supposed to be offensive.

How would you know that? You don't even know what the Tomahawk chop is, much less why it's considered offensive. And I can guarantee you that bro, and the others in the video, doing it and the FSU war chant knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

 

[SummerMadness]

Even if it was a lame attempt at a karate chop, why is it automatically considered discriminatory based on a pre-conceived notion of cultural appropriation? I doubt many Americans are aware of the "chop" or even aware it's supposed to be offensive.

Just stop, it's quite evident you are arguing from a position of ignorance on this topic.

 

[Abraxos]

I read the entire article and the original article from Indian Country Today. I saw nothing about the elder walking into a school, let alone getting into the face of teenagers and then chanting.

As the truth of this issue has already been pointed out by another member.

I'm sure you mean well when it comes to Native Americans plight, but the amount of garbage news that comes out of these progressively favoured media outlets, one should always take with a grain of salt.

Karate chop? Do you even know what the Tomahawk chop is? Do you understand why I keep capitalizing it? If not, there's a really easy way to cure your ignorance.
Tomahawk chop - Wikipedia
and specifically:
Tomahawk chop - Wikipedia



Again, your ignorance as a New Zealander is easily remedied.
Please, Somebody Stop Atlanta Braves Fans From Chopping And Chanting
https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2013/5/1/4292152/yeah-the-tomahawk-chop-bugs-me-heres-why
Where Did the Tomahawk Chop Come From?



How would you know that? You don't even know what the Tomahawk chop is, much less why it's considered offensive. And I can guarantee you that bro, and the others, doing in the video while doing the FSU war chant knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

Dude, just admit it. You have no idea what you're talking about and I actually do know what I'm talking about.

So the chop is considered cool. Kind of goes against the narrative that it's offensive.

 

[camille70]

No, it's not.

I never said that these kids are in the right; I'm just sick of the media playing up these instances for the sole purpose of pushing a narrative that "this is Trump's America" and "if you support Trump, you support this", rather than any actual investigative journalism.

That's why these really easy hanging fruits are so heavily reported by the media. I think there's more serious problems in society than a couple of high schoolers, but the media won't report on these issues because they won't be able to virtue-signal how anti-Trump they are. And it actually takes effort and time and integrity to do so, something which the media won't do.


You know what's more monstrous than this? Culturally appropriating Cherokee culture in order to advance a Legal and Political career. But I guess that won't bother you, because the basis of your principles are hostility to Trump rather than any genuine care for the Native Americans and how they are treated.

It would be a lot easier making this argument if they weren't wearing MAGA hats at the time. I agree tho that not every negative event is his fault.

 

[Abraxos]

Just stop, it's quite evident you are arguing from a position of ignorance on this topic.

I'm learning that you guys appear to have no argument on the matter, and are appealing to hazy examples as proof of racist teenagers, and therefore racist Trump ____, etc.

 

[archer75]

Even if it was a lame attempt at a karate chop, why is it automatically considered discriminatory based on a pre-conceived notion of cultural appropriation? I doubt many Americans are aware of the "chop" or even aware it's supposed to be offensive.

Just about everyone in the US is aware of the "chop."

Doing it in front of a Native American is the equivalent of pulling your eyes to the sides and talking about fried rice in front of someome of East Asian descent.

The only possible purpose is mockery. End.

 

[USincognito]

I read the entire article and the original article from Indian Country Today. I saw nothing about the elder walking into a school, let alone getting into the face of teenagers and then chanting.

He's alluding to a video linked in the Gateway Pundit propaganda piece I posted in #26.

A whopping 6 seconds of him walking towards the Covington Catholic Colonels...

maria judy on Twitter

 

[archer75]

This thread is unbelievable to me. I cannot believe this.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

He's alluding to a video linked in the Gateway Pundit propaganda piece I posted in #26.

A whopping 6 seconds of him walking towards the Covington Catholic Colonels...

maria judy on Twitter

Aw, that explains why he's going on like he is. Thank you.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

This thread is unbelievable to me. I cannot believe this.

I can, but I'm speaking from 28 years of experience as a Native American activist.

 

[USincognito]

I'm learning that you guys appear to have no argument on the matter, and are appealing to hazy examples as proof of racist teenagers, and therefore racist Trump ____, etc.

The facts are the bros were chanting the FSU war chant which is well known here in the States.
The bro in question was doing the Tomahawk chop.
This was being done in a mocking manner.
You were ignorant of both Tomahawk chop (as evidenced by your calling it a "karate chop") and the FSU war chant.

@Shiloh Raven, can you help me out here? Can you try and clue this guy in about the FSU war chant and the Tomahawk chop?

 

[archer75]

Statement on the actions of Covington Catholic High School students | Catholic Conference of Kentucky

Well, according to the Catholic Conference of Kentucky, these students' actions have "tainted the entire witness of the March for Life."

Does everyone hear that?

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Video Shows MAGA-Clad Teenagers Harassing, Mocking Native American Vietnam Vet

Viral video shows teenagers wearing MAGA hats mocking Native American Vietnam veteran

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[Shiloh Raven]

The facts are the bros were chanting the FSU war chant which is well known here in the States.
The bro in question was doing the Tomahawk chop.
This was being done in a mocking manner.
You were ignorant of both Tomahawk chop (as evidenced by your calling it a "karate chop") and the FSU war chant.
And finally, you can't bring yourself to admit you are wrong, so you try and impugn everyone else with a non sequitur motivation that exists only in your imagination.

@Shiloh Raven, can you help me out here? Can you try and clue this guy in about the FSU war chant and the Tomahawk chop?

The War Chant and the Tomahawk chop are prime examples of cultural appropiation of the Native American culture. It saddens me that I have to point out the fact that Native Americans are people and not mascots to be exploited for American sports entertainment. I'm even more saddened by the fact that there are actually Native Americans who help perpetuate these racial stereotypes of their own people. It is like they have no self respect or dignity, let alone respect for their people, their ancestors, and their culture. And quite honestly, I'm embarrassed for them. Native culture and native spiritual ceremonies are not a cultural trend to be exploited to further many Americans infatuation with romanticizing and marginalizing Native Americans. Native culture is not for sale.

We are Not Your Mascots.

Ending the Era of Harmful “Indian” Mascots

How 'Indian' Mascots Oppress by John Two-Hawks

#DearNonNatives: What Native Americans Want Non-Natives To Know

Indian mascots are not only insulting, offensive and disrespectful, they are also demeaning and dehumanizing. The use of these mascots perpetuate negative racist stereotypes of Native Americans. Native culture is not a single entity or a cultural trend to be exploited for sports entertainment or for monetary gain. The cultural appropriation must stop. Multiple psychological studies have proven they are harmful to native youth and perpetuates racism and discrimination against Native Americans.

Eradicating Offensive Native Mascotry

The True Damage Racist Mascots Do to Native American Children

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Summary of the APA Resolution Recommending Retirement of American Indian Mascots

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14-year-old Girl Testifying Against Native American Mascots Says Crowd Shouted ‘Get Off the Stage Squaw’

I have spent many years involved in protesting Indian mascots. I strongly disagree with the use of any Indian mascot, regardless of their use or intended purpose. I feel this way regardless of the fact that there are Native Americans who have no problem with these racist caricatures exploiting their people and their culture for entertainment and monetary gain. Native Americans are not mascots for American sports entertainment. Our culture, our dances and our traditional regalia are not cultural trends for exploitation and for the entertainment and amusement of American sports' fans.

I am the descendant of brave and honorable warriors who fought to the death to protect their families, their tribe, their cultural way of life and our ancestral homeland from the encroachment of European Christians who sought to either annihiliate them or forcibly remove them from their lands.

 

[redleghunter]

Viral Video Shows MAGA Hat-Wearing Teens Harassing Native American Vietnam Veteran

>> One teen, in particular, is seen blocking Philips, smugly staring at the elder as he performs his song. Teens in the background appear to encourage the harassment. <<

>> Tom Lilly told the Owensboro Times the student seen wearing his school shirt made a “flippant remark” when he talked about land being stolen.


“Was that comment any more than a cynical remark? I hate for a kid to have made a flippant remark and get lumped in with Covington Catholic,” Lilly told the publication. “If the kid hadn’t had an Owensboro sweatshirt on it wouldn’t be an issue, but he did. He’s a good kid and I hate this.” <<

No Tom, he's not a good kid.

I wonder if Brietbart, Daily Caller, etc. will be reporting on this.

Where is the video of the feces and urine throwing youth? The thrown punches?

I get it. It was disrespectful and that alone is wrong.

But to strain the gnat on this is quite ridiculous. Whoever the chaperones are need to deal with this.

 

[redleghunter]

The War Chant and the Tomahawk chop are prime examples of cultural appropiation of the Native American culture. It saddens me that I have to point out the fact that Native Americans are people and not mascots to be exploited for American sports entertainment. I'm even more saddened by the fact that there are actually Native Americans who help perpetuate these racial stereotypes of their own people. It is like they have no self respect or dignity, let alone respect for their people, their ancestors, and their culture. And quite honestly, I'm embarrassed for them. Native culture and native spiritual ceremonies are not a cultural trend to be exploited to further many Americans infatuation with romanticizing and marginalizing Native Americans. Native culture is not for sale.

We are Not Your Mascots.

Ending the Era of Harmful “Indian” Mascots

How 'Indian' Mascots Oppress by John Two-Hawks

#DearNonNatives: What Native Americans Want Non-Natives To Know

Indian mascots are not only insulting, offensive and disrespectful, they are also demeaning and dehumanizing. The use of these mascots perpetuate negative racist stereotypes of Native Americans. Native culture is not a single entity or a cultural trend to be exploited for sports entertainment or for monetary gain. The cultural appropriation must stop. Multiple psychological studies have proven they are harmful to native youth and perpetuates racism and discrimination against Native Americans.

Eradicating Offensive Native Mascotry

The True Damage Racist Mascots Do to Native American Children

The Harmful Psychological Effects of the Washington Football Mascot

Summary of the APA Resolution Recommending Retirement of American Indian Mascots

Research shows Native American imagery hurts all ethnic groups, says UB psychologist

Missing the Point: The Real Impact of Native Mascots and Team Names on American Indian

14-year-old Girl Testifying Against Native American Mascots Says Crowd Shouted ‘Get Off the Stage Squaw’

I have spent many years involved in protesting Indian mascots. I strongly disagree with the use of any Indian mascot, regardless of their use or intended purpose. I feel this way regardless of the fact that there are Native Americans who have no problem with these racist caricatures exploiting their people and their culture for entertainment and monetary gain. Native Americans are not mascots for American sports entertainment. Our culture, our dances and our traditional regalia are not cultural trends for exploitation and for the entertainment and amusement of American sports' fans.

I am the descendant of brave and honorable warriors who fought to the death to protect their families, their tribe, their cultural way of life and our ancestral homeland from the encroachment of European Christians who sought to either annihiliate them or forcibly remove them from their lands.

The most egregious being the NFL Washington team.