CAN YOU HAVE GOD'S GRACE WITHOUT GOD'S LAW?

[W2L]

Amen. It is not written that they all will repent either - many are destined for destruction
"those who do such things deserve death"

While i hope that every sinner, even those who foolishly reject the Lord, will be saved, i still cannot justify sin. I would rather stand guilty before God, admitting my guilt, than to justify myself by throwing out His commands.

 

[SkyWriting]

While i hope that every sinner, even those who foolishly reject the Lord, will be saved, i still cannot justify sin. I would rather stand guilty before God, admitting my guilt, than to justify myself by throwing out His commands.

You do what is right for you. Good job!
God only rewards that. Not what others tell you is right.

 

[W2L]

You do what is right for you. Good job!

But you said i must follow mans law and if i follow the written code im damned. Why would you want me damned?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I have stated my position already, now you just have to accept it.
Blessings

Hello Maria, your position is between you and God. I do not judge you. We all answer only to God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. I only stated that your response in the previous post had nothing to do with what you were quoting from and also that you did not answer the question asked of you which was...

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WHAT PART DOES GOD'S LAW HAVE IN GRACE?

CAN WE HAVE GOD'S GRACE IN THE NC WITHOUT GOD'S LAW? (Scripture please)

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

If you do not wish to answer the questions just say so. I can understands why you would not want to answer these question for someone in your position.


God bless.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Hello Maria, your position is between you and God. I do not judge you. We all answer only to God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. I only stated that your response in the previous post had nothing to do with what you were quoting from and also that you did not answer the question asked of you which was...

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WHAT PART DOES GOD'S LAW HAVE IN GRACE?

CAN WE HAVE GOD'S GRACE IN THE NC WITHOUT GOD'S LAW? (Scripture please)

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

If you do not wish to answer the questions just say so. I can understands why you would not want to answer these question for someone in your position.


God bless.

Round and round we go!
God bless you!

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Sadly man is not qualified to judge. What you think you SEE is of no importance. God sees the intentions of the heart which only God can judge.
Becasue your premise is wrong, what follows is as well.

Every one of God's People, every one little to big, young to old,
recognizes your sin, by God's Word and Spirit, as you rebel against the LIGHT, as you show no meager sense at all, as others often have noted today and in the last few weeks and years.
God reveals your sin , as God knows your sin. His Word is totally clear, exposing your sin and rebellion and lack of repentance.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

While i hope that every sinner, even those who foolishly reject the Lord, will be saved, i still cannot justify sin.

Yes, as God's Word says, woe to those who call iniquity righteousness, as posters today have done. (thankfully only a few of them).

If and when they perish, even if they never repent, God and God's People have sorrow at their death.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Round and round we go!
God bless you!

Like a play ground merry-go-round, without all being merry -
the 'mob' is permitted to 'play' daily, with almost no restrictions to their harming little children and the seekrs and the weak - we are not able to silence them in the posting of heresies and abominations, which everyone can read, from most places in the world, no matter how old they (those reading, often 'stumbling' over the heresies and false teachings) are !

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Round and round we go!
God bless you!

So what was posted in relation to your post that was not true? Apologies, I thought you were here to discuss the OP.

God bless.

 

[YeshuaFan]

I'm saying that following these words from Jesus:

John 19:11
Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”

Jesus is speaking, then living out, even to his death
on the cross, the Trueness of the message -

God has given local government full authority to
proclaim and act out the Fathers will.
That is what Jesus is saying.

Local Government is God's will.
On all your pet peeve topics too.

If you deny the morality of local government, you deny the Father.


1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3:1
1 Timothy 2:1-3
Psalm 22:28
Daniel 2:20-21
Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Revelation 1:5-6
Romans 13:4
Proverbs 21:1 .
Romans 13:1-14
Luke 20:25
John 19:11
Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”

IF the law of the nation is against the law of God expressed in the scriptures, it is NOT of God, and must be resisted!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Hopefully when Jesus returns you will agree.

Yes, that there is no Sabbath Day for the Church of Christ for Saturday, but one can freely observe that or Sunday!

 

[YeshuaFan]

I'm just going with what Jesus said, at His trial, before the crucifiction:
Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above.

So the authority to crucify Jesus on the cross is handed over to local government by the Father and ratified by Jesus.

But Jesus has support for this radical teaching, just in case you think Jesus was insane at the time:

Romans 13:1-7
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.

1 Peter 2:13-17
Titus 3:1
1 Timothy 2:1-3
Psalm 22:28
Romans 13:7
Deuteronomy 16:18-20
Proverbs 21:1
Mark 3:24
Genesis 50:20
Psalm 75:7
1 Corinthians 14:40
Romans 8:28
Romans 2:15

Supporting Local law
Matthew 26:52-54
Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?”

God CANNOT contradict Himself, as Horbidden gay marriage and abortion already!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Could you share with all of us, how Jesus taught the Church to observe the Sabbath, under the New Covenant, from the scriptures?


Some of us don’t know how to do this, correctly.





JLB

We have to go into the Epistles for that, as the Saturday Sabbath was never put upon the Church!

 

[JLB777]

We have to go into the Epistles for that, as the Saturday Sabbath was never put upon the Church!

It’s funny how the SDA folks are quick to. Claim condemnation upon all who do not keep the Sabbath, but when asked for some references or teaching from Christ or His Apostles as to how the Church is to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant, I get nothing.


The only thing I have received is Old Testament scriptures from the law, or Paul going to a synagogue on the sabbath to teach about Christ to unbelieving Jews.



JLB

 

[JLB777]

While i hope that every sinner, even those who foolishly reject the Lord, will be saved, i still cannot justify sin. I would rather stand guilty before God, admitting my guilt, than to justify myself by throwing out His commands.

Which command are you referring to?

 

[grasping the after wind]

Their sin like all sin was based on pride, what they wanted was more important than what God wanted. Knowledge of the law is not required for sin. When we do what we want to do even when we know in our hearts that it is wrong, we sin, no written law is required.

To have knowledge does not require writing. If one had no knowledge of the Law then one would not know guilt. If one knows in one's heart that a thing is wrong one has innate knowledge of the Law. If one had no knowledge of the Law, one would be unable to consider that a thing was wrong. God told Adam and Eve what the Law was for them in the garden. Do not eat of the Tree of Knowledge so they did n have knowledge of the Law that God gave them. I know of nowhere in the scripture where God proclaimed a person that was in reality ignorant of the Law to be guilty of sin. Ignoring the Law or falsely claiming to be ignorant and being in reality ignorant of the Law are not equivalent concepts.

 

[YeshuaFan]

It’s funny how the SDA folks are quick to. Claim condemnation upon all who do not keep the Sabbath, but when asked for some references or teaching from Christ or His Apostles as to how the Church is to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant, I get nothing.


The only thing I have received is Old Testament scriptures from the law, or Paul going to a synagogue on the sabbath to teach about Christ to unbelieving Jews.



JLB

Why did the early Church come together and start to worship on Sunday, as they were all strict Sabbath followers?
Why> They looked at the resurrection of Jesus as bring in New Covenant, and Sunday now as the day to worship the risen Lord!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Which command are you referring to?

I hope its not the one to keep the Sabbath Holy!

 

[JLB777]

Why did the early Church come together and start to worship on Sunday, as they were all strict Sabbath followers?
Why> They looked at the resurrection of Jesus as bring in New Covenant, and Sunday now as the day to worship the risen Lord!

I have no idea.


Please just provide the scriptures I asked you for.

 

[JLB777]

I hope its not the one to keep the Sabbath Holy!

Can you please share with us, how Jesus and His Apostles commanded the Church to observe the Sabbath under the new covenant?



JLB