Please help me prove Jesus is God.

[Sabertooth]

Perhaps they are brothers & sisters who seek to honor God but are misled.

They are not.

Should we not preach the gospel to those who are lost?

Jesus answered and said to them, “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance.” Luke 5:31-32 NKJV

"For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.

Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds." 2 John 1:7-11 NKJV

 

[All4Christ]

We believe in Incarnation and not theophany. By theophany I mean when God appears as a man, as at times in the OT.

Had Jesus simply said "I am God" people would have assumed he was speaking of a theophany, and not accepted his full humanity. Hence he and the various NT authors show us many implications of the Incarnation, Jesus acting as God, being God with us, but also show him as a man. The most explicit is probably John. The Word, who is God, became flesh and dwelt among us.

And for clarification to any readers - the term Theophany in Orthodoxy is not referencing the same thing Hedrick mentioned here. With that in mind, Christians do believe in the Theophany in regards to our Lord Jesus (referencing the baptism of Jesus).

ETA: I guess the general meaning is the same (the visible manifestation of God), in that God visibly manifested as the Holy Trinity when Jesus was baptized. And yes, there were other theophanies in the OT.

 

[Erik Nelson]

There are so many places in the NT that clearly say that Jesus is God. Two that immediately come to mind are Mark 1 and John 7-8.

In Mark 1:2, Mark quotes Malachi 3:1 as saying:

"Behold, I send my messenger before your face,
who will prepare your way..."​

In Mark's quote, the "I" is Yahweh and the "you" is Jesus. Yahweh sends John the Baptist before the appearance of Jesus. But look at Malachi 3:1 in the OT. It says:

"Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me."
​

In Malachi, the "I" is Yahweh and he sends his messenger to prepare the way for himself.

Thus Mark clearly says that Jesus is Yahweh.

The LXX. Which Jesus and the Apostles overwhelmingly preferred to quote from reads

"Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before my face"

God sent John the Baptist to prepare the way before Jesus. Before God's face.

 

[Erik Nelson]

Hebrews 1
6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Yes, and please continue on and include the next verse also.

"therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy"

Jesus is divine Jesus is the son of God. Jesus is not God, the father. Jesus is not the Holy Spirit for that matter either.

The Trinity does not collapse into Jesus the son is God the father.

 

[Rescued One]

Yes, and please continue on and include the next verse also.

"therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy"

Jesus is divine Jesus is the son of God. Jesus is not God, the father. Jesus is not the Holy Spirit for that matter either.

The Trinity does not collapse into Jesus the son is God the father.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The first thing to know is that the Jehovah Witnesses have their own version of the Greek text, and their own translation called "The New World Translation." Their text has modifications to the accepted manuscripts of the church, including replacing the "cross" with "impale" for the crucifixion of Jesus. The divinity of Christ is tampered with in their version, for an example, John 1:1 as you quoted they add the article "a" in their version to suggest Jesus is another deity (which is polytheism) that has been created.

Yes my goal is to disprove that through other scriptures.

 

[BNR32FAN]

God our Savior
Jesus Christ our Savior

My house - as to shall be a house of prayer

All things were created by Him.
for Him

Those are good points but I still think they can be refuted on the basis that God created Jesus as His Son and sent Him to save us. So in a sense both would be considered Savior and Jesus being God’s Son then God The Father’s house would also be The Son’s house as well.

 

[BNR32FAN]

the gospel of the kingdom of God

My kingdom is not of this world - if - My servants would fight

the gospel of Jesus Christ
the gospel of God

Yes but Jesus being the Son of God The Father would mean that God’s kingdom would also be His kingdom and the gospel is both God’s and Jesus’ gospel. So I think this would still be arguable.

 

[BNR32FAN]

There are so many places in the NT that clearly say that Jesus is God. Two that immediately come to mind are Mark 1 and John 7-8.

In Mark 1:2, Mark quotes Malachi 3:1 as saying:

"Behold, I send my messenger before your face,
who will prepare your way..."​

In Mark's quote, the "I" is Yahweh and the "you" is Jesus. Yahweh sends John the Baptist before the appearance of Jesus. But look at Malachi 3:1 in the OT. It says:

"Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me."
​

In Malachi, the "I" is Yahweh and he sends his messenger to prepare the way for himself.

Thus Mark clearly says that Jesus is Yahweh.

Amen thank you that is very compelling evidence.

 

[BNR32FAN]

My signature contains some of the best evidence that Jesus is God (the Son)

Psa 78:35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.

1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Amen that’s a great find. Thank you.

 

[All4Christ]

John 20:28

 

[BNR32FAN]

"Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.” 9 Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me?" John 14:8-10

Yes but the problem is I think this can still be argued because of verses 11 & 17 and also John 15:4-5

John 14:11

11 believe me, that I [am] in the Father, and the Father in me; and if not, because of the works themselves, believe me.

John 14:17

17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world is not able to receive, because it doth not behold him, nor know him, and ye know him, because he doth remain with you, and shall be in you.

John 15:4

4 remain in me, and I in you, as the branch is not able to bear fruit of itself, if it may not remain in the vine, so neither ye, if ye may not remain in me.


John 15:5

5 ‘I am the vine, ye the branches; he who is remaining in me, and I in him, this one doth bear much fruit, because apart from me ye are not able to do anything;

I think it could be argued that The Father is in Christ and Christ is in The Father but also The Father is in us (Holy Spirit) and we who abide are in Christ and Christ is in us although we are not God.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[BNR32FAN]

John 20:28

Yes I also thought this would be a good example but there’s a problem. The Greek text actually say My Lord and my Son of God. Because the Greek word ho G3588 is translated as son of. One example would be John 21:2 the same Greek word ho is used in reference to the sons of Zebedee.

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[BNR32FAN]

Another point I think is very compelling is in John 1 everything that we created was created through Him (The Word) and nothing was created without Him (The Word). The second part of the sentence really nails it that Jesus could not be created otherwise this statement in verse 3 is incorrect.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Colossians 1:16
as to by Him were all things created...
It even lists thrones.


John 1:3

Yes I was just quoting John 1:3 making the same point. John 1:3 takes it a bit further saying that nothing was created without Him (The Word).

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm