No Compromise at the Border.

[essentialsaltes]

Republican senators may be headed back to the bipartisan deal we had a year ago that Trump blew up, a compromise with wall funding combined with protection for the Dreamers.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

How do you figure?

Draw benny's at 62, live to 90. Hint: Take care of your health (I have some tips if you're interested).

Everything on the SS website agrees with my understanding. If you feel I'm in error, please elaborate. Otherwise...

If you've read it and still hold wrong notions I can't help you.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Let's not and spend that opportunity cost on things that actually matter, like - oh...I dunno - the paychecks of federal employees.
Ringo

They will be paid, and possibly 'then some'. I buy things for my company on my credit card, sometimes up to several thousand dollars per month. I often don't get reimbursed for a couple of months...but I always do (I also get all the 'rewards' that those purchases generate as well).

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I think the numbers are a bit off, but maybe I missed something. The US-Mexican border is over 1,900 miles, closer to (or even over) 19,500 miles depending on how the fence runs. So, if you have a guard posts every 200 yards, that is around 17,000 guard posts, so 17,000 single guards per tower. If you have two guards per tower (with one in the tower, the other walking the fence, perhaps switching off every hour), you are up to 34,000 (or even 35,000) -- and that is if they work 24 hours per day and live in the tower. If you have three shift, you triple (or likely quintuple, to ensure they get days off each week as well as annual vacations). And that doesn't include the support staff needed to do administrative work, as well as hire, and train people for that guard duty. When you start adding it up, you are likely looking at around $10 billion just in personnel costs annually to man and support this fence.

The fence would run shorter than the actual border, so the cost would be less than originally estimated. This would actually enhance our ability to stop the illegals as the fence can be placed in the most advantageous locations.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

If it could have been breached then you were walking an ineffective patrol zone.

I just walked it, I didn't design it.

Based on what? And please don't say your experience.

You want to rely on someone's inexperienced opinion?

Thanks for the laugh. I wish you would actually be consistent with your claims.

No inconsistencies, just fleshing out the plan (it's a work in progress).

I repeat, your hunting dog (and its training) is not equivalent to a military or police working dog.

We aren't simply talking about guard dogs, remember? Your claim was about "attack dogs".

Guard dogs are attack dogs.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Easy to say, hard to support with facts/data/etc.

Got any?

No need, it's common sense.

 

[Ringo84]

They will be paid, and possibly 'then some'. I buy things for my company on my credit card, sometimes up to several thousand dollars per month. I often don't get reimbursed for a couple of months...but I always do (I also get all the 'rewards' that those purchases generate as well).

I'm not sure why it's so hard to understand that "they'll be paid eventually" isn't going to help federal employees pay their mortgages, put food on their tables, and pay their bills. They don't need to be paid at some vague time in the future, but now. Donny needs to grow up, take his lumps, and reopen the government.
Ringo

 

[KCfromNC]

Trump has agreed to a fence, therefore it will be a fence.

Sigh, yet another failed campaign promise from Trump. Next thing we'll learn is that Mexico won't be paying for this fence.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Sigh, yet another failed campaign promise from Trump. Next think we'll learn is that Mexico won't be paying for this fence.

Mexico may not be paying for the fence...but it is going to 'cost' them dearly.

 

[KCfromNC]

Mexico may not be paying for the fence...but it is going to 'cost' them dearly.

I don't see how, considering there's no funding to actually build it. Imaginary things don't really cost anything.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

Let's build the wall and see. If I'm wrong I'll apologize all over the place.

"Go ahead, give me a ton of money and I'll create a perpetual motion machine for you! You'll be so well off if it works...and if it doesn't I'll apologize all over the place!"

Success frequently comes to those who do things that others insist can't be done.

Success SELDOM comes to those who ignore data, history and rational thought.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

Sigh, yet another failed campaign promise from Trump. Next thing we'll learn is that Mexico won't be paying for this fence.

Sure Trump said "Mexico will pay for the wall" over and over again, but what he CLEARLY and OBVIOUSLY meant was: "Trade with Mexico will be improved in our benefit and provide a stimulus to regular Americans who, through their increased wealth, will pay more into the federal tax system (after accounting for the massive tax breaks I promise to give to them) such that future Congresses will appropriate the money according to my desires today in amounts sufficient to cover the initial outlay today for the wall!"

By this reasoning he could just as easily have said "NATO will pay for the wall" or "China will pay for the wall" or "The EU will pay for the wall".

Basically EVERYONE ON EARTH EXCEPT THE US will pay for the wall by this reasoning.

THIS is the nature of winning.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Success SELDOM comes to those who ignore data, history and rational thought.

That door swings both ways.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

That door swings both ways.

Do you win a lot in Vegas?

Do we have to gamble with you?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Do you win a lot in Vegas?

Do we have to gamble with you?

I never gamble. I prefer the tortoise approach...slow but sure.

 

[Serving Zion]

From my Senator (Alexander R-TN) on one possible solution to the shutdown:
"Pass the bill that 54 senators voted for last February, which combined a solution for children brought to the United States illegally (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, or DACA) and $25 billion in appropriated funding for border security over 10 years. The bill failed only because of last-minute White House opposition."

The reason you "don't see it" is because you have your head buried in the sand.

No, you have confused two different issues. Please go back and read the string of the conversation to get the right idea before you jump in.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

I never gamble. I prefer the tortoise approach...slow but sure.

That's usually the most rational. And that's definitely NOT what one would do with $5.6billion when most experts agree it is unworkable and not going to solve the problem.

Hardly the kind of thing you front the money for and then "hope for the best".

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I don't see how, considering there's no funding to actually build it. Imaginary things don't really cost anything.

$l.6 billion is being used to build it, and Mexicans are already suffering the consequences.

Impact of Trump's wall already felt on Mexican side

From the link,

Rivera remarks that despite Trump's attacks, the migrant caravans have only grown.

"It was never a very valid argument to say a wall would reduce this phenomenon," she says.

"We know that nothing is going to stop migrants from trying to reach the United States."

It should be noted that the wall isn't intended to prevent legitimate immigration. As usual liberal sympathizers are conflating legal and illegal immigration.

 

[KCfromNC]

$l.6 billion is being used to build it, and Mexicans are already suffering the consequences.

Oh, well, if brown people are suffering I guess it was money well spent.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Oh, well, if brown people are suffering I guess it was money well spent.

A predictable response.