No Compromise at the Border.

[GlabrousDory4]

We can't care for the poor people we already have.

AGREED! 100%

But as most of us learned in kindergarten: two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

*snerk* Sure they do. And they only accept payment in cash.

Having lived in Southern California this dream of those undocumented folks having "work permits" is laughable.

 

[Belk]

We can't care for the poor people we already have.

"Look, that guy is drowning. Quick, pour some water on him."

That we won't care for the poor is not the same as can't.

 

[DaisyDay]

Nothing is free. Nothing good is ever free.

Depends on your values.

NOTHING is free facts of life.

The song of a bird, the smell of the rain, the color of the sky....there are a lot of things that are free.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

Nothing is free. Nothing good is ever free. However, i believe the poor should have free healthcare. But if one wants good HC, they better pay for it. Facts of life.

Actually the US pays almost 2X as much per capita for healthcare than most of the European developed democracies and yet we don't have as good a healthcare outcomes.

 

[wing2000]

Many problems are made unnecessarily complex by people who like that sort of thing (and are in a position to do so).

Indeed. Enforce employment verification.

...which is currently not available...for states like Arizona that require e-verify:

Home

three guesses why it's down? -- it's not a priority for Trump -- who has no interest in removing the number one incentive for illegal immigration.

 

[Vylo]

Trump will give. The dems have nothing to lose by standing their ground.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The point of my comment was not to suggest that we have a perfect solution...far from it. Many here criticise the various strategies employed by our governments...

No, my point was to illustrate the strategies that the asylum seekers adopt....we have no land border to walk across, so they have come by sea.

Again, while Donald’s Wall will fail, what is to stop asylum seekers from your south adopting a similar strategy...?

Let's build the wall and see.

We might copy Australia and haul them off to some island or tug them back where they came from.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

They also pay sales taxes, fuel taxes, rent, etc.

There is the argument that this foreign aid is better than just having the Government send checks to other governments.

That's a fair point.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

AGREED! 100%

I'll accept that.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

But as most of us learned in kindergarten: two wrongs don't make a right.

Maybe that lesson should wait until kids are a little more mature.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That we won't care for the poor is not the same as can't.

We do try to care for our poor, but they are always a moving target.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Actually the US pays almost 2X as much per capita for healthcare than most of the European developed democracies and yet we don't have as good a healthcare outcomes.

Europeans generally are more health conscious. They also have higher taxes and some have pretty good trade surpluses...with us, so they have more money for social programs. So, apples/oranges.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Trump will give. The dems have nothing to lose by standing their ground.

I'm not so sure of that. Why don't they give Trump his measly $5 billion. When the wall fails they can say I told you so. Problem solved.
Of course the problem is that they know the wall will succeed, thus their fear and intransigence.

 

[GlabrousDory4]

Europeans generally are more health conscious. They also have higher taxes and some have pretty good trade surpluses...with us, so they have more money for social programs. So, apples/oranges.

LOL.

 

[Belk]

We do try to care for our poor, but they are always a moving target.

No, some try to care for the poor while others try to sabotage them.

 

[usexpat97]

I agree, absolutely NO compromise at the border. Do not put gravy on your french fries under any circumstances. I don't care if they threaten to shut down Niagara Falls.

 

[mark kennedy]

It's over one way or the other, Trump is simply overplaying his hand. He didn't want to compromise so now he realizes no wall is a losing proposition. It was the lack of compromise that got us here and it's just a question of how much rope he is going to get before he hangs himself.

 

[KCfromNC]

The Dems have no proposals to cite.

You've told us the plan for open borders is something you see between the lines of proposals by Democrats, and now that Democrats have no proposals. Interesting.

 

[KCfromNC]

I'm not so sure of that. Why don't they give Trump his measly $5 billion. When the wall fails they can say I told you so.

something something fiscal responsibility something something