What do you think the Mark of the Beast is?? And what is sin about it?

[Major1]

ok so no secret rapture - but still a 1 Thess 4:13-17 rapture at the 2nd coming -- called the 2nd coming event of Rev 19.

Matthew 24:42-44...……
“Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

Hebrews 11:5...…...
Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.”

The Lord told us TO WATCH, because He might come back at any time, suddenly. For anyone to teach that the Rapture cannot happen until after the 7-year Tribulation period is really a sign of poor Bible study and I mean no disrespect in saying that.

There's absolutely no way that the Rapture could happen after the Tribulation. The following passage of Scripture 100% proves the Pretribulation return of Christ...

Matthew 25:31,32 …….
"When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory. And before him shall be gathered all nations"

Carefully notice that Jesus is going to sit upon His throne in Jerusalem when He returns, and the nations of earth will be gathered before Him to be judged. How can this fact be reconciled with 1st Thessalonians 4:17, which states that the saints will be caught up together to meet with the Lord in the air?

 

[woobadooba]

ok so no secret rapture - but still a 1 Thess 4:13-17 rapture at the 2nd coming -- called the 2nd coming event of Rev 19.

I understand that. I don't know why you feel the need to point that out to me. It's as though you think I only have a basic understanding of Scripture. FYI, I have been studying the Bible since 1996.

 

[Tone]

Anybody know what 666 is in Danish?

 

[Major1]

It is true that the A/C is around when this happens but it is not at all certain that "We will not be around"



Possibly correct - I agree. But what happens when the Holy Spirit is removed according to the text?

until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, ...Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved."

Satan stages a counterfeit second coming just before the end. But the mark of the beast is probably long before that.

NO, we, Christians will not be here. Again, notice the Scriptures...….in 2 Thess. 2:1-2....
"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM is the Rapture as recorded in
1 Thess. 4:15-17...….
" For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Is that a coincidence of words sounding alike??????

Now where in the Scriptures do we find your thinking of -------
"Satan stages a counterfeit second coming just before the end."


If that is not in the Bible then it only exists in YOUR mind. Now for someone who keeps saying repeatedly that "The Bible details MATTER", do you find that just a little strange?

 

[Major1]

Anybody know what 666 is in Danish?

Yes...….."COOKIES"!

 

[Major1]

I understand that. I don't know why you feel the need to point that out to me. It's as though you think I only have a basic understanding of Scripture. FYI, I have been studying the Bible since 1996.

God bless you!

 

[Major1]

The OP question is "what do you think the mark of the beast is - what about it - makes it sin?".. Just saying that you don't believe something... is not it.

The A/C is NOT revealed to the world until the Holy Spirit which indwells all Believers is removed along with the church in 2 Thessalonians 2, and THEN the "A/C is revealed."

The A/C can not be known until the church and believers are removed.

Rev. 3:10....
"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

 

[woobadooba]

God bless you!

Thank you. I just wish things were better for me right now. I know I should be thankful for what I have, but I am not a happy person. I used to be.

 

[Tone]

I found this, but where is 600?:

Danish numbers

*Okay, I found this on some obscure thread, but don't know if true:

Rumpeskaft
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Mar 21, 2015, 9:45 AM
Sekshundredeseksogtresindstyve


C_M_O_TDibbler
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Mar 21, 2015, 10:05 AM
Klattu Barata.....

MrBoringxD
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Mar 27, 2015, 12:15 PM
Where does the "indstyve" come from? It's simply

"Sekshundredeseksogtres"

Bluefoz
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Mar 21, 2015, 11:23 AM
Six hundred six and sixty!

 

[BobRyan]

The A/C is NOT revealed to the world until the Holy Spirit which indwells all Believers is removed along with the church in 2 Thessalonians 2, and THEN the "A/C is revealed."

The A/C can not be known until the church and believers are removed.

Rev. 3:10....
"Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."

The question in the OP is not about the revealing of the A/C... the question is about the mark of the beast and the detail that would make it sin.

The mark of the beast comes long before the revealing of the A/C in many scenarios.

If "your opinion" is that the mark of the beast can only happen after the point that 2Thess 2 says the A/C is fully revealed - you could stipulate that as your assumption.

 

[BobRyan]

you said you believe in pre-mill rapture and that the secret rapture idea is not supported in the Bible.

I said

BobRyan said: ↑
ok so no secret rapture - but still a 1 Thess 4:13-17 rapture at the 2nd coming -- called the 2nd coming event of Rev 19.

I understand that. I don't know why you feel the need to point that out to me. It's as though you think I only have a basic understanding of Scripture. FYI, I have been studying the Bible since 1996.

I was only restating what you already stated for clarification so that you can either say that this is indeed your position or not.

In this case I happen to agree with that much of it.

 

[BobRyan]

Anybody know what 666 is in Danish?

IS that the language John and his readers were using in 95 A.D.??

 

[YeshuaFan]

It is true that the A/C is around when this happens but it is not at all certain that "We will not be around"



Possibly correct - I agree. But what happens when the Holy Spirit is removed according to the text?

until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, ...Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved."

Satan stages a counterfeit second coming just before the end. But the mark of the beast is probably long before that.

It will NOT be placed upon those worshipping on Sunday, as EW said that it was!

 

[Tone]

"IS that the language John and his readers were using in 95 A.D.??"
--BobRyan

Me:
Nej...(that's ''no" in Danish). So...you think it'll be Hebrew? Why not in whatever language the beast speaks?

Maybe even a computer language...

 

[woobadooba]

I was only restating what you already stated for clarification so that you can either say that this is indeed your position or not.

It wasn't necessary for you to do that.

 

[Major1]

Thank you. I just wish things were better for me right now. I know I should be thankful for what I have, but I am not a happy person. I used to be.

I hate top hear that. Please do not take offence and I do not mean to harm you or disrespect you and I know you have studied the Bible or a long time, as have I, however are you a saved man?

I ask because I hate to assume anything and if you are I am sure that you would readily give a witness to that fact.

If you are then I would suggest that you seek out someone to talk with and maybe even consider a Medical doctor and talk with him about some kind of medical help.

It is very easy to become unhappy and depressed.

I would also suggest being very cautious on discussing and or debating in any condition that would be call depressed as the back and forth with some people can lead to a whole lot of frustration which can make anyone unhappy.

God love you my brother and If I can be of any help to you at all feel free to PM me.

 

[woobadooba]

It is very easy to become unhappy and depressed.

Especially when people who are supposed to care about you treat you like trash.

 

[Major1]

The question in the OP is not about the revealing of the A/C... the question is about the mark of the beast and the detail that would make it sin.

The mark of the beast comes long before the revealing of the A/C in many scenarios.

If "your opinion" is that the mark of the beast can only happen after the point that 2Thess 2 says the A/C is fully revealed - you could stipulate that as your assumption.

Incorrect! The A/C can NOT be revealed until HE (Holy Spirit) is removed.

The A/C and False Prophet will usher in the Mark of the Beast as seen in 2 Thess. 2:8-10.

I do not have any opinions at all. I deal ONLY with Bible facts as they are truthful and are Gods Word.

The next major event in human history, from God’s perspective, is the preaching of the gospel throughout the entire world (Matt. 24:14), and then comes the rapture. We are awaiting the spread of the gospel throughout the entire world.

When the rapture occurs all the truly born again Christians will be removed from the earth.

1. The rapture comes first (saints are removed)
2. followed by seven years of tribulation (a period of suffering),
3. Armageddon,
4. and the kingdom (1,000 year period),
5. and then an eternal life in heaven or hell depending on the choices made

The mark of the beast occurs during the tribulation period. In the Tribulation, two very powerful individuals come to power. Both are empowered by Satan.

The first one is a political leader (2 Thess 2:1-4; Rev. 13;1-10) who is called the Antichrist. He is the leader of the future world govt.

The second beast is called the false prophet (Rev. 13:11-18; 19:20-21). He is a religious leader. This is the one who forces people to receive the mark “666” in order to buy or sell (Rev. 13:16-17).

Who are these individuals? Who will be these beasts? The world will not know for sure until it happens at the middle of the tribulation period. But when he does appear he can be identified as the one . . .

". . . who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God". ( 2 Thessalonians 2:4).

2 Thess. 2:3
“Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day [the Second Coming] will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.”

Remember what you said...……..Bible details matter!

 

[Major1]

Especially when people who are supposed to care about you treat you like trash.

Very, very true my friend!

 

[Major1]

IS that the language John and his readers were using in 95 A.D.??

Now that I agree with!!!