Measles

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

It could be argued that this makes them accessories before the fact to murder.

I think it's more a question of willful negligence for some, but many are just negligent out of ignorance and gullibility.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

... Chickenpox was bad too. Both of my sons caught it because they didn’t have the vaccine available then . My oldest had such bad scabs from that on his feet that he was unable to walk. I don’t see why people would put their kids through these if they didn’t have to

I had the chickenpox - it was nasty.

 

[JosephZ]

I contracted measles in 2014 despite being vaccinated as a child. Apparently I was among one of those in the small percentage of people who receive the vaccine that it fails in. It was by far the worst illness I ever experienced in my life. There are many children here in Mindanao who don't get the measles vaccine and unfortunately there are several children who die each year as a result.

 

[Nithavela]

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[ThatRobGuy]

The US needs to make sure we mimic what Canada did, and strip licensing away from alternative practitioners who are advising against vaccinations.

Unfortunately, unbeknownst to most people, our government is indirectly funding part of the anti-vaxxer problem.

The reason for that? One word: Chiropractors

Chiropractic is covered by medicaid (government money), and Chiropractors are, arguably, one of the largest driving factors behind the anti-vaxxer movement.

A quick look at some industry surveys shows some unsettling data:
Attitudes toward vaccination: a survey of Canadian chiropractic students. - PubMed - NCBI
A Survey of American Chiropractic Association Members’ Experiences, Attitudes, and Perceptions of Practice in Integrated Health Care Settings

- ~60% reject any and all vaccinations
- Nearly 80% didn't believe in integrated approaches to health (meaning, they didn't believe anyone should be seeking 'Allopathic' (a pejorative term used by proponents of alt-medicine) or anything outside of Chiropractic for care)
- Nearly 80% believed that Chiropractic was a natural and valid approach to managing mental health disorders

Let that soak in, and consider the fact that nearly $500 million dollars of government money, per year, goes toward those "Doctors".


Most people don't realize that the government, unwittingly, is indirectly subsidizing anti-vaxxer nonsense to the tune of half a billion a hear. That's a lot of money going toward people, pretending to be doctors, planting a bunch of nonsense in people's heads.


Another attitude that needs to disappear is that of these arrogant parents who say things like: "I'm just going to do my own research and make my own informed decision"... No you're not. Sorry, but a few hours of google research doesn't make you as informed as someone who's spent decades studying medicine and pathology & immunology. They try to make themselves sound more rational than full-blown anti-vaxxers, however, their assertion of "a few weeks of internet research in my spare time makes my opinion just as valuable as someone who's professionally studied immunology for 20 years" is just as absurd as believing that vaccines cause autism.

Of course, as soon as you challenge either of those assertions, it's immediately met with conspiracy theories about "big pharma"

 

[morse86]

Measles in the old days wasn't a problem, nobody was scared of it. You get it and within a week it's over. Today, people have been brainwashed that measles is the next ebola. All these newspaper articles just like eggs are bad one day, the next day eggs are good. It's garbage journalism, garbage scientists, and poor poor ethical standards (outright nefarious in some cases). Vaccines take the credit but the fact is these childhood diseases were already on the decline thanks to better hygiene and nutrition.

They ignore the well researched "no agenda" science by nobel prize winners like Stefan Lanka (his claims have never been refuted and he won in German court to prove it) and Suzanne Humphries. These are people with ethical and morale values who decided at the end of the day, the truth matters more than $$$$.

 

[sfs]

Measles in the old days wasn't a problem, nobody was scared of it. You get it and within a week it's over.

Thank you for providing a perfect example of someone offering opinions about vaccines who has no idea what he's talking about. In the old days, measles killed 500 children every year in the US. In 1980, it killed 2.6 million people worldwide. That's a heck of of a lot of dead people for a virus that doesn't cause any problems.

They ignore the well researched "no agenda" science by nobel prize winners like Stefan Lanka

Lanka is not a Nobel prize winner. He's also a complete crackpot on this subject. Meanwhile, you ignore the research by the 99.99% of virologists, immunologists, and epidemiologists who have concluded that yes, viruses cause disease, and yes, vaccines prevent disease.

(his claims have never been refuted and he won in German court to prove it)

He lost in German court. The decision was overturned because the court decided that it was up to Lanka to decide whether the proof was sufficient or not. So no proof would ever be sufficient.

These are people with ethical and morale values who decided at the end of the day, the truth matters more than $$$$.

As I said before, these are people with blood on their hands.

 

[sfs]

Also -- speaking as someone who studies viral outbreaks for a living, any biologist who thinks viruses don't cause disease is genuinely insane.

 

[Rubiks]

 

[Freodin]

That's a heck of of a lot of dead people for a virus that doesn't cause any problems.

But it's true! It never caused any problems.

There are tons of reports from people who had measles as children, and who are still around to tell their story.

But where are all these alleged people who had measles and died from it? Where?? Hah, there are none!! None of them has ever spoken up!!!

See, that proves it. Well, something. About the stupidity of some people.

 

[morse86]

Thank you for providing a perfect example of someone offering opinions about vaccines who has no idea what he's talking about. In the old days, measles killed 500 children every year in the US. In 1980, it killed 2.6 million people worldwide. That's a heck of of a lot of dead people for a virus that doesn't cause any problems.

Lanka is not a Nobel prize winner. He's also a complete crackpot on this subject. Meanwhile, you ignore the research by the 99.99% of virologists, immunologists, and epidemiologists who have concluded that yes, viruses cause disease, and yes, vaccines prevent disease.

He lost in German court. The decision was overturned because the court decided that it was up to Lanka to decide whether the proof was sufficient or not. So no proof would ever be sufficient.

As I said before, these are people with blood on their hands.

Lanka won, this is the ruling by the highest court:
Urteil des 12. Zivilsenats vom 16.2.2016 - 12 U 63/15 -


You might be able to fool a couple of people here, but try again. Lanka is a virologist too, he has decades of experience, credibility, and authenticity.

You can read the summary over at https://wissenschafftplus.de/uploads/article/Dismantling-the-Virus-Theory.pdf

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Also -- speaking as someone who studies viral outbreaks for a living, any biologist who thinks viruses don't cause disease is genuinely insane.

Quite. You only have to look at the rising incidence of measles where the % vaccinated has dropped, to see the correlation.

 

[morse86]

An assessment of measles vaccine effectiveness, Australia, 2006–2012

Vaccine effectiveness was estimated at 96.7% (95% confidence interval [CI]: 94.5–98.0%) for one dose and 99.7% (95% CI: 99.2–99.9%) for two doses of measles vaccine. For at least one dose, effectiveness was estimated at 98.7% (95% CI: 97.9–99.2%). Sensitivity analyses did not significantly alter the base estimates.

What a bunch of rubbish. Let's give proper nutrition and hygiene it's long overdue credit (as proved by Suzanne Humpries). Lanka and company are right.


Vaccine Ingredients and Manufacturer Information - Vaccines - ProCon.org

Measles vaccine Process ingredients:
chick embryo cell culture, WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts, Medium 199 (containing vitamins, amino acids, fetal bovine serum, SPGA (sucrose, phosphate, glutamate, recombinant human albumin), neomycin, Minimum Essential Medium (containing vitamins, amino acids, fetal bovine serum, recombinant human albumin, neomycin), sorbitol, hydrolyzed gelatin stabilizer

Measles vaccine Final ingredients:
sorbitol, sodium phosphate, sucrose, sodium chloride, hydrolyzed gelatin, recombinant human albumin, fetal bovine serum, other buffer and media ingredients, neomycin
sucrose, hydrolyzed gelatin, urea (refrigerator stable formulation only), sodium chloride, sorbitol, monosodium L-glutamate, sodium phosphate, recombinant human albumin, sodium bicarbonate, potassium phosphate, potassium chloride, components of MRC-5 cells (including DNA and protein), neomycin, bovine serum albumin, other buffer and media ingredients, sodium phosphate dibasic (frozen formulation only), potassium phosphate monobasic (frozen formulation only), potassium phosphate dibasic (frozen formulation only)


WI-38 = from aborted fetus WI-38 - Wikipedia

Good luck injecting these "unclean" things straight into the bloodstream.

 

[sfs]

Here are the numbers for measles incidence in the US by year. Wanna guess when the measles vaccine was introduced?

 

[morse86]

Here are the numbers for measles incidence in the US by year. Wanna guess when the measles vaccine was introduced?

Why not show the WHOLE CHART??? Why try to be deceptive??


https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsrates1940_60.pdf

Page 85. Shows the MASSIVE decline and downward trend of measles.

Regardless, why don't you try and instead debunk the autoimmune disease causing ingredients above?? If you're injecting foreign materials (especially WI-38)....no wonder the rate of autoimmune rates are going up. If you're injecting cross species and other foreign substances straight into the bloodstream, of course your immune system is going to get triggered into overdrive!!!!!!!!!!! Is this so hard to figure out?!?!?

 

[sfs]

Page 85. Shows the MASSIVE decline and downward trend of measles.

No, it shows a massive decline in deaths from measles. Mortality for measles varies enormously, from ~0.1% to 10%, depending on how healthy and well-nourished the individual is and how well they are treated while ill. Measles mortality fell a lot in the US through the first half of the 20th century, but measles incidence hardly fell at all. Here are the incidence numbers for most of the period:

 

[morse86]

No, it shows a massive decline in deaths from measles. Mortality for measles varies enormously, from ~0.1% to 10%, depending on how healthy and well-nourished the individual is and how well they are treated while ill. Measles mortality fell a lot in the US through the first half of the 20th century, but measles incidence hardly fell at all. Here are the incidence numbers for most of the period:
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SO what?????? Death rates from measles dropped...but people still got measles SOOOO WHAT????????

Like I said above, people stopped DYING from measles because of better nutrition and hygiene. You get measles, and it's over with within a week and you have life long immunity!!!!!!

You dont need additional autoimmune disease causing and other disgusting ingredients (biblically UNCLEAN) in the bloodstream.

 

[pitabread]

Like I said above, people stopped DYING from measles because of better nutrition and hygiene.

Er, the charts posted still showed hundreds of people dying each year prior to the vaccine introduction. And then those numbers falling to almost none post-vaccine.

 

[sfs]

SO what?????? Death rates from measles dropped...but people still got measles SOOOO WHAT????????

So you're wrong. You were citing people who deny that measles virus causes measles, and that measles vaccine prevents measles. Those claims were wrong, and the people you're touting as truth-speakers are nuts. That's kind of important.

Like I said above, people stopped DYING from measles because of better nutrition and hygiene.

And, as I said above, that's wrong. Sorry, let me try speaking your language. That's WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!! Because even after all of those improvements in nutrition and general health, and the tremendous decline in mumps mortality, four or five hundred children per year were still dying of measles in the US. Every year. Now you may not care about a few hundred dead children, but I do, especially when those deaths are easily preventable.

 

[JosephZ]

Lanka won, this is the ruling by the highest court:
Urteil des 12. Zivilsenats vom 16.2.2016 - 12 U 63/15 -

That case was to decide whether or not Lanka had to pay the individual who proved that measles is a virus. The link you provided states that it was proven without doubt that measles is a virus. Lanka is a crackpot and nobody should be listening to anything he says about viruses.