Question about eternal damnation

[ClementofA]

God is a God of Love but also a God of justice and sin needs to be judged IF NOT FORGIVEN. God draws all men to himself but men must be willing, they can resist - which is of course in opposition to 5-Point Calvinism. You must ask for forgiveness during this lifetime to receive it. It is a gift that you must receive. Countless people after many opportunities, invitations, the WORD delivered to them over and over again and still they reject and resist. Well, when you die, that's it, your chances are over.

All will be saved:

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

Paul makes a parallel between "the many" who were condemned & sinners and those who will be justified & constituted just.

“In Romans 5, the justification is co-extensive with the condemnation. Since all share in one, all share in the other. If only a certain portion of the human race had partaken of the sin of Adam, only a certain portion would partake of the justification of Christ. But St. Paul affirms all to have been involved in one, and all to be included in the other.”

No, specifically God knows the expiration date of a soul.

Scripture knows nothing of an "expiration date of a soul". It never uses such language. That's why you couldn't post a Bible verse that says that.

That is the ultimate sacrifice of love, to give one's life. But there is a cost of death, their is a battle in the heavens between angels and demons for souls -- make no mistake, many are lost.

All sinners have been lost. You have been lost. The prodigal son, the Bible says, was "lost" & later found.

God judges those proportionately according to their sin.

Nobody deserves infinite punishment for the finite sins of a momentary lifetime. That would be unjust.

We are exhorted to seek God while we can, not to wait, for death comes unannounced sometimes and catches us unawares.

Better to seek & find God now than to go to Hades or the lake of fire & find Him later.

Jesus condemned the Pharisees did He not, "Who will save you from the Gehenna?"

Wheat is useful to the farmer for food. Chaff is useless, unless it is used for fuel. That occurs by burning it, as in Mt.3:12. Of course burned chaff is not annihilated but changed into something else. This verse does not address the final destiny of people's souls. It doesn't even mention the word "soul", let alone any soul is ever annihilated & God Himself is powerless to resurrect that soul. Neither does it state the wheat & chaff represent different people rather than 2 parts of one person. In fact the previous verse said they would be baptized in the "Holy Spirit and fire" (v.11). Not one or the other. That is salvation. And it was spoken to the Pharisees & Sadduccees whom John called a "generation of vipers" (v.7).

Mark 9:49 For everyone will be salted with fire.

He does save His sheep that way, but ask yourself this: Why isn't everyone saved and become a believer in this life.

Free will. You think Love Omnipotent of the Scriptures is like a Hitler who annihilates billions out of existence forever & infinitely for the finite momentary sins of a brief & fleeting lifetime of a few years or decades?

You think His love expires about as quickly as a carton of milk. But God is a God of infinite and unconditional love. It is far greater than the vast universe He created.

If He doesn't save all is it because He can't or doesn't want to?

Annihilating eternally does not respect human free will. Nor is it for the good of anyone, including the relatives & loved ones of those endlessly annihilated.

Love Omnipotent has all eternity to wait & keep trying to save people. And given His willingness & ability to draw men to Himself an infinite number of times through eternity, it is mathematically impossible for anyone to reject Him an infinite number of times. Each time the man has a free choice to choose or reject God there is a chance he will choose God. Given an infinite number of such chances, the odds are impossible that he will not eventually choose God. So all will be saved.

Jesus said He is the only way and the way to destruction is wide and the narrow path, only a few find.
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." Matt. 7:13, 14

Matthew 7:14 (NASB)
14 "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

1. Jesus says "FEW" were finding it (Mt.7:13-14)
2. Paul says "MANY" will be saved (Rom.5:18-19)

Both are right.

Jesus was referring to the situation at His time in the first century, not final destiny.

Bible versions don't say "few will EVER find it". This Greek Interliner says "finding":

Matthew 7:14 Interlinear: how strait is the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!

Young's Literal Translation
how strait is the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!

Matthew 7:14 is in the present tense, few "finding" it, speaking of that particular time, not of final destiny. Earlier in Matthew final destiny was already revealed re salvation:

Mt.1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mt.2:6b ...my people Israel.

"Pay attention to the Greek verb tenses.
“Enter (eiselthate | εἰσέλθατε | aor act imperative 2 pl) through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and easy the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter(eiserchomenoi | εἰσερχόμενοι | pres mid ptcp nom pl masc) through it. Matt 7:13"

"How narrow is the gate and difficult the way that leads to life, and few are those who find (heuriskontes | εὑρίσκοντες | pres act ptcp nom pl masc) it! Matt 7:14"

"In v.13 the word for 'enter' is the Greek word 'eiserchomenoi' which as noted is a present tense participle more accurately translated as 'entering.' Thus all this verse is saying is that there are many who are presently entering the wide gate. This verse does not refer at all to sometime in the future where people may or may not be resurrected out of the lake of fire. If it did, this verse would employ the future tense of the verb - but it doesn't. We can only say what this verse states - simply that when Jesus spoke these words, many are entering the broad gate/road."

"Same thing with v.14. The word for 'find' is 'heuriskontes' which is a present tense participle. Thus few people are currently 'finding' the narrow gate. No reference at all to the future."

Note the word "many", not "few":

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for ALL MANKIND for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for ALL MANKIND for life's justifying."
Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, THE MANY were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, THE MANY shall be constituted just."

Paul makes a parallel between "the many" who were condemned & sinners and those who will be justified & constituted just.

“In Romans 5, the justification is co-extensive with the condemnation. Since all share in one, all share in the other. If only a certain portion of the human race had partaken of the sin of Adam, only a certain portion would partake of the justification of Christ. But St. Paul affirms all to have been involved in one, and all to be included in the other.”

Therefore there is salvation after death. And corrective punishment.


Jesus shall see of the travail of His soul & be satisfied. Not satisfied a little bit, but the vast majority fried alive forever.

"He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities." (Isa.53:11).

For how "many" (not few) did He "bear their iniquities"? All. Those will He "justify" (Isa.53:11).

After you die and are ushered into Hades, like the Rich Man, of course you would have a change of heart - Oops, I screwed up, I'm sorry, em ... I believe now! But what did Abraham say? Your state is fixed, He said no to all his pleas: to send Lazarus to give him water, to warn his brothers, etc. He said you had your chances, your life and made your choices - now it's too late, you've been judged.

Luke 16:19-31 doesn't say anyone's "state is fixed" for eternity at death. And endless annihilationism advocates a God who is unjust, unloving & unrighteous.

 

[Timothy416]

Why did God create a place like hell to put "damned souls and spirits" in it? Isnt it more merciful to control/alt/delete those souls from creation instead of punishing them and making them suffer forever?

You have a choice whilst on earth. Accept Christ as your saviour, and therefore have the presence of the Father with you, or, reject Christ and therefore reject the Fathers presence in your life. If you choose the latter, you choose to spend eternity outside of the Fathers presence, apart from him. That is the true hell. If you make that choice that is your responsibility, you cannot blame God for it

 

[FineLinen]

Concerning Romans 5, you're misunderstanding the passage. All mankind was redeemed, however, that doesn't mean all mankind will be saved.

Dear Butch: Concerning Romans 5; the polus "made sinners" are the identical polus "made righteous" with "all the more" in favour of the Last Adam!

 

[FineLinen]

You have a choice whilst on earth. Accept Christ as your saviour, and therefore have the presence of the Father with you, or, reject Christ and therefore reject the Fathers presence in your life. If you choose the latter, you choose to spend eternity outside of the Fathers presence, apart from him. That is the true hell. If you make that choice that is your responsibility, you cannot blame God for it

Dear Timothy: I will state it again!

From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists, in Him the all ends..

Welcome to ta panta.

 

[Timothy416]

Dear Timothy: I will state it again!

From Him the all comes, through Him the all exists, in Him the all ends..

Welcome to ta panta.

I didn't know you had previously stated that.
We know of course, that when believers inhabit the new Jerusalem/heaven, people will exist outside of it:
Outside(the new Jerusalem) are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Rev22:15

Thank you for your welcome

 

[FineLinen]

I didn't know you had previously stated that.
We know of course, that when believers inhabit the new Jerusalem/heaven, people will exist outside of it:
Outside(the new Jerusalem) are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
Rev22:15

Thank you for your welcome

Dear Timothy: We are pleased you have joined us. May your time here on C.F. be profitable and one of expanding knowledge of the great & glorious Father who leads each one of us to know salvation that is in the dimension of unlimited.

He saves to the uttermost!

 

[FineLinen]

Of him (ex autou),

Through him (di' autou),

Unto him (eiv auton).

By these three prepositions Paul ascribes the universe (ta panta) with all the phenomena concerning creation, redemption, providence to God as the

Ex= The Source

Di= The Agent

Eiv= The Goal

For ever= eiv touv aiwnav= "For the ages."

Alford terms this doxology in verses 33-36 "the sublimest apostrophe existing even in the pages of inspiration itself."

Robertson Word Pictures

 

[Butch5]

a literal death in a book full of mythos, ya right

Myths?
How exactly can something be the second of something if it's not like the first? If I have a hammer and I get a second hammer, it's not a screwdriver, it's a hammer. If you have a second person go into a house, it's not a dog, it's a person.

 

[Butch5]

Dear Butch: Concerning Romans 5; the polus "made sinners" are the identical polus "made righteous" with "all the more" in favour of the Last Adam!

I'm not sure what your point is, but your interpretation creates many conflicts within Scripture, thus it can't be correct.

 

[Butch5]

Of him (ex autou),

Through him (di' autou),

Unto him (eiv auton).

By these three prepositions Paul ascribes the universe (ta panta) with all the phenomena concerning creation, redemption, providence to God as the

Ex= The Source

Di= The Agent

Eiv= The Goal

For ever= eiv touv aiwnav= "For the ages."

Alford terms this doxology in verses 33-36 "the sublimest apostrophe existing even in the pages of inspiration itself."

Robertson Word Pictures

You seem to quote a lot of different sources. You might want to actually reason through what some of these people say. I think you'll find a lot of what they believe doesn't align with Scripture.

 

[FineLinen]

By these three prepositions Paul ascribes the universe (ta panta) with all the phenomena concerning creation, redemption, providence to God as the…

Ex= The Source

Di= The Agent

Eiv= The Goal

The Koine, ta pavnte, is the strongest word for all in the Scriptures; it literally means the all.

Romans 11:36=

ta pavnte/ ta panta, “in the absolute sense of the whole of creation, the all things, the universe, and, everything in heaven and earth that is in need of uniting and redeeming.”

It is not in the limited sense of “nearly all”, “pavnte” minus "ta"

The final preposition [eiv) reveals the ultimate goal of all that is. What has been provided in Christ is a re-turn, a re-storation, a re-newing, a re-demption, a re-concilation, a re-surrection, a re-stitution.

The prefix “re” means back again, again, anew–and all the words with this prefix speak of something that left its place and has now made its circuit and come back to the point of its beginning.

In the Christian story God descends to reascend. He comes down;… down to the very roots and sea-bed of the Nature He has created. But He goes down to come up again and bring the whole ruined world up with Him. -C.S. Lewis

 

[Pneuma3]

Myths?
How exactly can something be the second of something if it's not like the first? If I have a hammer and I get a second hammer, it's not a screwdriver, it's a hammer. If you have a second person go into a house, it's not a dog, it's a person.

not myths, mythos which includes allegory, types etc.

 

[Pneuma3]

Myths?
How exactly can something be the second of something if it's not like the first? If I have a hammer and I get a second hammer, it's not a screwdriver, it's a hammer. If you have a second person go into a house, it's not a dog, it's a person.

Two deaths

 

[Ronald]

Dear Ronald: There are no buts! The essence of God=

LOVE>>>SPIRIT>>>LIGHT>>>FIRE>>>PROPITIATION

Nowhere in Canon is God's essence described as He is justice. God is indeed just, perfectly just, & that justness flows from His essence!

Do not worry about sin being judged, one small excursion into His fire and light & love & propitiation will be enough to change the vilest of the vile!

You have failed to discern the seriousness of sin and death. There's really nothing more I can, you are fixed in your thinking. It's as if you line item veto the portion of scripture that doesn't fit into your view.

 

[Ronald]

Dear Ronald: have you ever wondered why the Master of reconciliation is speaking of two CLEAN animals in this parable? Have you ever thought why (in the context of Romans 25), He is also speaking of ten virgins (not harlots or loose women)?? WHY??

And, Ronald, if His sheep hear His voice when He calls, why does a sheep dog exist, for companionship, perhaps?

Take 17

You, the proponents of damning our Fathers vast majority to damnation will not fill in the blanks.

Why??

There is one (1) passage of Canon for "everlasting punishment" (Matt.25).

This one single verse is the cornerstone for the proponents of unending punishment.

This should be so easy for you!

According to the context of St. Matthew 25, and ONLY the context, please fill in the empty lines.

The foundation for "everlasting punishment" Matt. 25=

1._____________________________________________________________?

2._____________________________________________________________?

3._____________________________________________________________?

4._____________________________________________________________?

5._____________________________________________________________?

"But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, who will render to each one according to his deeds: eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality". Rom. 2:5-7 NKJV
Eternal life goes to a specific group here!
"But to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation." rom. 2:8 NASB
"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." Rom. 6:23 NASB

You must be "in Christ" to receive eternal life. The only way to be in Christ is to believe - while you are alive and on this physical earth.

"There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit..." Rom. 8:1
Do you understand what condemnation means???

There is no receiving Christ after on is physically dead!
The gospel is not preached in Hades.
There is no baptism of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit in Hades or in the Lake of Fire.
You will not be forgiven your sins after you die. The Bible is clear that the unbeliever will die in their sins!

"... unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God." John 3:3

"For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeit is soul? Or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?" Matt. 16:26

"Jesus said to her, 'I am the resurrection and the life. He who believers in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?" John 11:25, 26
>>>> The condition/physical state of believing is that you are alive when this happens!

"Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins." John 8:24
To die in your sins is finale. He doesn't offer a second chance or purification after death.

"elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ." 1 Peter 1:2
Sanctification has to do with a living soul, with a living physical body. Your view distorts the meaning of death, judgment, sanctification and all these warnings that the Bible gives us.

Your view distorts the meaning of FAITH. Faith is required and does not exist after you die an unbeliever.
"So then faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of God."
Hearing is a physical sense, something we do when we are alive. The Word of God is written and spoken ON EARTH IN THIS CURRENT WORLD THAT WE LIVE IN, NOT IN THE AFTERLIFE OF HADES AND HELL, WHERE SOULS ARE ULTIMATELY DESTROYED!

"For by grace you have been saved through faith ..."Eph. 2:8

"For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus."Gal.3:26

" And we know that God causes all things to work for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose." Rom. 8:28
Now tell me, if one ends up in Hades and later gets thrown into the lake of fire, how is that good? This verse disguises the sheep from the goats, those who are called and those who aren't, those who receive eternal life and those who do not.
"For many are called, but few are chosen." Matt.22:14

"But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life." John 5:40

One must be alive to come to Jesus, willingly and ask for forgiveness.

"... Be faithful until death and I will crown you with life." Rev.2:10

One must have faith before death and continue until he dies!

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No faith, love, forgiveness, gospel, spiritual cleansing in Hades.

"Before I go -- and I shall not return
To the land of darkness and deep shadow,
The land of utter gloom as darkness itself,
of deep shadow without order, and which shines as the darkness." Job 10:21, 22


"Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt. Dan. 12:2

Here we see the resurrection of the dead in Christ and also the dead outside of Christ - a clear differentiation. One cannot be resurrection twice. Again you must distort what the resurrection means.
In the Resurrection chapter, the message is to those in Christ.
"For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him."1 Cor. 15:22, 23


"For Sheol cannot thank You, Death cannot praise You, Those who go down to the pit cannot hope for Your faithfulness." Isaiah 38:18

"For in death there is no remembrance of YOU;
In Sheol who shall give you thanks?" Psalm 6:5

 

[Der Alte]

Myths?
How exactly can something be the second of something if it's not like the first? If I have a hammer and I get a second hammer, it's not a screwdriver, it's a hammer. If you have a second person go into a house, it's not a dog, it's a person.

The second death is mentioned in only 4 verses; Revelation 2:11, Revelation 20:6, Revelation 20:14, Revelation 21:8 . Never once does any verse say that anyone/anything is thrown into the second death then they die.

Rev 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.​

Rev 2:14 says death and hell are thrown into the LoF. This is the second death. Death is the point in time end of life it has no life of its own. Hell is either the grave or the place of punishment it has no life of its own. Neither death nor hell have or can die the first death so they can't and will not die a second time.
In Rev 21:4 A great voice from said "there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." If there is no more death after Rev 21:4 then the eight groups of people thrown into the LoF in vs. 8 do not die.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.​

.....In Rev 21:4 the devil is thrown into the LoF, the beast and the false prophet have already been there for 1000 years. They have not died a first death and they do not die a second death they are tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

[FineLinen]

You have failed to discern the seriousness of sin and death. There's really nothing more I can, you are fixed in your thinking. It's as if you line item veto the portion of scripture that doesn't fit into your view.

Dear Ronald: You have failed again to answer simple questions. You stated "His sheep hear His voice when He calls." Is this why the Shepherd has sheep dogs? Further, take 17 continues to be left unanswered by you and the followers of everlasting punishment. WHY?

Sin, and all degrees of darkness, have one destination: complete and total elimination by and in the Conquering Lord of Light, Fire and His glorious Presence.

ALL!

 

[FineLinen]

Staking Out a Claim in Godness Territory

To stake out a claim in territory of Godness is the ultimate trespass. The territory of, and which is, Godness, permits no squatters. Venturing a claim there to even the tiniest plot is verboten---nay; no way; nix that; nyet! Yet to attempt such infamy is encouraged by conventional Christian teaching. Not only is it encouraged, it is considered an absolute necessity for setting forth, and traveling successfully, on the Way.

It's not any old plot within Godness territory we're talking about. It's a place of vastly strategic importance. It is situated on Deity high ground. Allow me to explain:

With whatever else it is that characterizes God, be it known that one characteristic stands out as clearly as any other, i.e., GOD ALWAYS HAS HIS WAY IN ALL THINGS...ABSOLUTELY! There is no place for compromise on that point; there's no, "Well, golly gee, My little creatures, I'll cede over to y'all that particularly strategic stronghold of sovereignty. After all, I want my kingdom to include a democratic principle. Y'all deserve a vote on how We do things around here. If y'all don't like what I propose, speak up, I'll listen and make whatever adjustments are necessary to not infringe on your 'free will,' on your claim to a portion of My sovereignty. Share and share alike, is what I say."

This nonsense must be cleared up in advance of the consummation of all things, and it will be, for it is

"...that every knee will bow, of those in heaven and on the earth and under the earth, and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." (Phil. 2: 10, 11 NASB) Jesus is not the One who bends His knee to us, except, in His self-emptying, to figuratively wash our feet, as He who came not to be served, but to serve, and give His life a ransom for many. (Mark 10:45) Nothing can stand in the way of His Lordship. Being Lord means that all authority has been given to Him in heaven and earth, with the power to enforce His authority. (Matt. 28:18; Rev. 7:12)

There is among most Christians the idea that though the Father desires great and good things for all mankind, yet they insist that things will not actually turn out that way.

They imagine that the Lordship of Christ simply amounts to Him having the authority and power to punish us for not letting Him have His Way, i.e., since they've staked out that strategic plot within the territory of sovereignty. They think it simply means He's bigger and stronger than us, and if He can't have His way, then according to the authority vested in Him by God, with the corresponding power, He'll show us who's boss vindictively.

We need to consider how determined Father and Son are. It's the cross of Christ that reveals God's determination to have His Way. He was of a mind and will to BE, in action, what He IS by nature: perfect Love. It meant the Way of the Cross; The Via Dolorosa. With the Father, and our Lord Jesus, it was, "so be it," and it was. Do you dare imagine that God will allow even one drop of the precious shed blood of Christ to turn out to be wasted, of having no final application to some souls? Do you dare imagine that God is a God who will settle for cutting His losses as best He can? Or do you imagine that They never planned on a universally grand and good conclusion, as is shamefully insisted by our Calvinist brethren.

Don't think I'm only getting in the face of our Calvinist brethren. While they insist that God, from eternity, has elected some to salvation, and all the rest to damnation, and it's in that sense that God has His Way, Arminianism perceives God to have chosen to be subject to the will of man. Dare we imagine that God will be denied the holy desire of His heart? How utterly pathetic it is that Christians have settled on it having to be one or the other of the above. The intellectual contortions involved in trying to prove one or the other would be laughable if it were not actually a matter of bearing false witness against God.

Grand and glorious is the Divine plan: God will settle for nothing less than sharing Himself in all His glory with all mankind in a new heaven and new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness. (Isa. 40:5; Hab. 2:14; 2Pet. 3:13) Through Isaiah, the Lord testified that the knowledge of the glory of the Lord will fill all the earth as the waters cover the sea. The sense of that glorious statement is that, when compared with the New Testament's teaching on knowing God, it conveys that all that is earthen will be filled with the experiential and intimate knowledge of the Lord. God Himself will be what we in divine fellowship KNOW. Reality and perception shall finally meet as one. That is, we shall know God, as God knows Himself. I'm raising an issue here that is at the heart of the refreshed reformation that is presently making itself known in pulpit and pew, among the formally trained in theology, and among those who, though not formally trained in such things, know simply that their God is a good God, good always, and good to all.

-John Gavazzoli-

 

[Butch5]

not myths, mythos which includes allegory, types etc.

I thought it was a typo. The point is, however, that the second death is compared to the first one, it's called the second. For it to be the second of something it has to be like the first.

 

[Butch5]

Two deaths

There is no such thing as spiritual death. At least not that would pertain to humans. If you search the Scriptures you'll find nothing that speaks of man dying a spiritual death.