THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

[ace of hearts]

Hi Timothy416, nice to meet you here and welcome. How can you have the Spirit of the law if you do not have the letter of the law?

Who in their right mind wants the spirit of the law?

 

[ace of hearts]

Indeed because the wages of sin is death to all those who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *ROMANS 6:23. It is the letter that shows us that we are all sinners and our need of a Saviour *GALATIANS 3:22-25.

It's also the letter that bring death - Rom 7.

 

[ace of hearts]

Nope I do not walk in the flesh *GALATIANS 5:16. If you are knowingly practicing SIN you need to be BORN again *1 JOHN 3:3-10; 1 JOHN 2:3-4. SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 Commandments) *JAMES 2:10-11 will keep all those who KNOWINGLY practice it out of God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because those who do so reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

Yeah you said the same to me. The law is about regulating the carnal.

 

[ace of hearts]

It is important to remember, that sola scripturists are always selective with the letter of sola scripture they choose to accept. As the letter kills them as well as it does everyone else, that is testament to their failure to understand the message

There are some great pretenders out there. The poster you've been interacting with isn't even close to being sola scripturist.

 

[ace of hearts]

You cannot have the Spirit of the letter without having the letter. The Spirit works through the letter in all those who BELIEVE and follow it. JOHN 6:63; JOHN 17:17

Who in their right mind wants to possess the spirit of the law?

 

[ace of hearts]

We should worship God everyday. That has never been the issue with God's 4th commandment which is one of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what SIN is if broken *ROMANS 3:20. The issue is in what God has said in relation to God's 4th Commandment which reads...

EXODUS 20:8-11
[8], Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
[9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
[10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it THOU SHALT NOT DO ANY WORK, [KEEPING THE SABBATH AS A HOLY DAY OF REST MEANS NOT DOING ANY OF OUR WORK IN IT] thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
[11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT [Reference back to GENESIS 2:1-3].

GENESIS 2:1-3 shows that GOD BLESSED and set apart the SEVENTH DAY of the WEEK as a HOLY DAY of rest where NO WORK is to be done. God made the SABBATH for ALL mankind BEFORE SIN and the fall of mankind. JESUS is the LORD of the SABBATH *MARK 2:27-28 and has commanded his people to REMEMBER the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH as a HOLY DAY where NO WORK is to be done *EXODUS 20:8-11. God's 4th Commandment is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS if broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If we KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11 and are in danger of the judgment unless we seek JESUS in Confession and repentance. SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandmetns) will keep all those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in it out of God's KINGDOM *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27; JAMES 2:8-12)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now, <when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Hope this is helpful.

Still no verse requiring NT Christians to worship on Saturday.

 

[ace of hearts]

Not if your keeping God's 4th commandment according to God's WORD. Are you keeping God's 4th commandment accorinding to the scriptures *EXODUS 20:8-11?

How about you? You don't want to discuss that for some reason. I've asked you more than once.

 

[ace of hearts]

Your post shows your confusion. According to your belief, I must be committing wilfull, deliberate sin without conscience, for I know what the fourth commandment states, yet have no conscience at not observing a Saturday sabbath. According to your quote I am therefore a child of the devil, yet you call me brother. Does this mean you are admitting to being a child of the devil and so we are brothers in this regard?

Exactly

 

[ace of hearts]

Unfortunately, those who preach obedience to the letter, are left making statements that have not bearing on the reality of theirs or anyone elses lives. I guess that doesn't matter so much if you are only on this website for theological debate. I guess it is better to be doing it here, than spend your time witnessing to people out in the world, as such words would be disasterous for the sincere of heart

But many read and don't participate on this site. The real damage can't be known.

 

[ace of hearts]

Unfortunately those who do not know the letter cannot know the Spirit because the Spirit works through the letter to lead us to Christ *GALATIANS 3:22-25

You must be confused to post this passage and continue to teach against it.

 

[ace of hearts]

So you do not accept as Christians people on this website who, do not observe a set Saturday sabbath, and do not do so without repentance whilst fully understanding what the Ten Commandments state. That's fine, so why call such people brothers??

He thinks it's being polite. The reality he won't admit to is intent to disarm defense system with it. The word "brother" is a cozy type word.

 

[ace of hearts]

There is no evasion at all. The evasion is yourside. Your repeating yourself. Read the scriptures what do you think ACTS 17:30 and JAMES 4:17 mean? Please read post # 534 linked click me which as already addressed your claims. Your just repeating yourself without reading or responding to what has been written to you or addressing the scriptures that disagree with you. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

How many commandments do you claim there are?

 

[ace of hearts]

Many come on these websites thinking they understand much, for they can quote much of the letter, yet, their posts show confusion. Possibly that is why they are on the internet and not out in the real world seeking to bring the lost into the kingdom

Some come here to evangelize Christians converting them to their religion.

 

[ace of hearts]

Go ahead show me how my post has not answered your question. If you cannot your only evading the post and scriptures that disagree with you.

Read the scriptures what do you think ACTS 17:30 and JAMES 4:17 mean? Please read post # 534 linked click me which as already addressed your claims. Your just repeating yourself without reading or responding to what has been written to you or addressing the scriptures that disagree with you. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it. *ROMANS 3:4

We've tried. No one can show some one anything when everything is ignored.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Spot on

Your words are not God's WORD. God is not the author of confusion. Some therefore cried one thing, and some another: for the assembly was confused: and the more part knew not why they were come together. There is only confusion in our own words when they are not God's WORD. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Who in their right mind wants the spirit of the law?

Anyone who BELIEVES the WORD of GOD and the NEW COVENANT promise. (This will be repeated 3x as you have posted the same claims 3x) 1/3

ROMANS 8:2-4
[2], For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
[3], For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[4], That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

EZEKIEL 36:24-27
[24], For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
[25], Then will I sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
[26], A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
[27], And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and you shall keep my judgments, and do them.

JEREMIAH 31:31-34
[31], Behold, the days come, said the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
[32], Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they broke, although I was an husband to them, said the LORD:
[33], But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, said the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
[34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, said the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

HEBREWS 8:10-12
[10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, said the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
[11], And they shall not teach every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
[12], For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
[13], In that he said, A new covenant, he has made the first old. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away.

The SPIRIT of the LAW is LOVE and why we need to be BORN again to and have a NEW HEART. This is the NEW COVENANT promise in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Some come here to evangelize Christians converting them to their religion.

For me, he must increase and I must decrease. I only point all to the Word of God because it is there we find the one who loves us that we may love him. I know him and am known by him. All that he shows me I see and must show to all because I am blind. He tells me it is those that say they see that do not see. These are they that have once known him or do not know him. There is only life in the living Word. These are his Words and not my own. Freely I give because freely I have received. I must speak in the light and what I hear preach in the housetops. Many will not hear because they do not know Him. He is the Word of God and those that believe him are those that he has chosen. They follow him because they love him and are loved by him. Many are called but few are chosen. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgment day.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

How many commandments do you claim there are?

How many Commandments are there is God's 10 Commandments are there 9, 10 or 613 *EXODUS 34:28; DEUTERONOMY 4:13; DEUTERONOMY 10:4 ?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

But many read and don't participate on this site. The real damage can't be known.

Whosoever commits sin is a servant of sin. If the son shall make you free you shall be free indeed. Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. We are sinners indeed but we have a Saviour for those that our Heavenly father have given ears to hear and eyes to see. Do you know these scriptures? What do you think they mean?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

How about you? You don't want to discuss that for some reason. I've asked you more than once.

Is this a discussion? If it was a discussion you would respond to the posts and the scriptures in them that disagree with you. I am always happy to have a discussion of the scriptures and even more so if you respond to my posts and the scriptures in them as I do for you. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.