THE SABBATH IS GOD'S 4th COMMANDMENT - WHERE IS THE SCRIPTURE THAT SAYS IT IS ABOLISHED?

[LoveGodsWord]

I don't mind trying to have a conversation with a blind man, I just won't follow him into the ditch.

If our eyes are not open we cannot see the Garden of Eden or the paradise of God. Sin closes our eyes and makes us blind but seeking Jesus can open the blind eyes to see and the deaf to hear. Truly, truly, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. I say unto you, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind blows where it wants, and you hear the sound thereof, but cannot tell where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

Do you know these scriptures? What do you think they mean? If our lamp has gone out how will we find your way when the road is dark and narrow?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

That's what I thought. Do I need to quote them to you? Do you need the 10 you holler about, or the 613?

Did you answer the post you were responding to or did you ignore it?

How many Commandments are there is God's 10 Commandments are there 9, 10 or 613 *EXODUS 34:28; DEUTERONOMY 4:13; DEUTERONOMY 10:4 ?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I already have and you just keep repeating this as though I haven't. That's called ignore, not discussion.

Nope, sadly you haven't

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I don't want my wages. However your side of the fence sure seems to want them in that they quote and reference Rev 22:14 a lot.

How does what you posted respond to the post you are trying to responding to. The wages of sin (breaking God's Commandments) is death to all those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This "σαββατισμός" isn't this "σάββατον".

Indeed. It is a derivative from it.

HEBREWS 4:9 άρα (Then) απολείπεται (there is left) σαββατισμός (a Sabbath rest) τω (to the) λαώ (people) του θεού (of God)

The Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.”

HEBREWS 4:9 SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH

Not looking to good for some come judgment day.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Like I said I don't follow blind men.

Like I posted in return. If our eyes are not open we cannot see the Garden of Eden or the paradise of God. Sin closes our eyes and makes us blind but seeking Jesus can open the blind eyes to see and the deaf to hear.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I need your commentary before I respond to these verses. Otherwise you will only say I made up something you didn't say. You're speaking through quotes you refuse to talk about.

Try reading what you are responding to.


1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And by this we know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

NOTE: This is the difference between the people of GOD and the people of the devil.

1 JOHN 3:3-10
[3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his nature remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

GOD’S PEOPLE KEEP ALL OF GOD’S COMMANDMENTS BY FAITH AND ARE SEALED WITH GOD’S SPIRIT

JOHN 14:15-26 [15], If you love me, keep my commandments. [16], and I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; [17], Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you.

REVELATION 12:17 [17], And the dragon was angry with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

REVELATION 14:12 [12], Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

REVLATION 22:14 [14], Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

CAN WE GRIEVE AND LOSE THE HOLY SPIRITS PRESENCE?

EPHESIANS 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, by whom you are sealed unto the day of redemption.

PSALMS 51:11 Do not cast me away from your presence, and do not take your Holy Spirit from me

1 SAMUEL 16:14 But the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul and a distressing Spirit from the Lord troubled him

HOW DO WE LOSE GOD’S PRESENCE AND SPIRIT?

ISAIAH 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.

NOTE: As shown already through the scriptures, RECEIVING the GIFT of God’s HOLY Spirit is conditional on BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God’s WORD. If we are NOT BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God’s WORD and breaking God’s Commandments and are in SIN we LOSE the presence of GOD. This is not to say that God gives up on us. He loves us and will convict us of sin when we do so but it is up to us to seek GOD in confession and repentance and FORGIVENESS by Faith before we can receive God’s presence again.

HEBREWS 3:7-11
[7], Therefore as the Holy Spirit says, Today if you will hear his voice,
[8], Harden not your hearts, as in the rebellion, in the day of testing in the wilderness:
[9], When your fathers tested me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
[10], Therefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do always err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
[11], So I swore in my wrath, they shall not enter into my rest.

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CONCLUSION: RECEIVING God’s SPIRIT is CONDITIONAL on BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God’s WORD and by FAITH in God’s WORD seeking God in CONFESSION and REPENTANCE of SIN and being baptized in his Spirit walking in his Spirit in OBEDIENCE to God’s WORD. Walking in God’s SPIRIT we will not fulfill the LUSTS of the flesh *GALATIANS 5:16. God’s WORK in us is LOVE and all those who LOVE fulfill God’s LAW because they have God’s Spirit which is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 JOHN 3:3-10. God’s people keep ALL of God’s Commandments by faith in God’s WORD and are sealed with God’s Spirit *JOHN 14:15-26; REVELATION 12:17; REVELATION 14:12; REVLATION 22:14; EPHESIANS 1:13; 2 CORINTHIANS 1:21-22. If anyone is breaking God’s Commandments living and known unrepentant sin they do not have God’s SPIRIT and do not KNOW God because they are still in their sins and have rejected the gift of God’s dear son *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; HEBREWS 10:26-27; HEBREWS 6:4-8; ROMANS 6:23. God only gives his Spirit to those who BELIEVE and OBEY his WORD

Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it.

Ignoring God's WORD does not make it dissappear.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Nothing here answers my question. Besides that you don't believe all the passages you quoted.

And what question would that be? God's is my judge not you. I suggest you read *ROMANS 2:1-6

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I already have and you just keep repeating this as though I haven't. That's called ignore, not discussion.

Well that has no truth in it. Do you have any scripture to share?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Where did I claim my spot on post was God's Word?

That is the point.

 

[Timothy416]

There are some great pretenders out there. The poster you've been interacting with isn't even close to being sola scripturist.

I do actually understand the mentality here. People believe they are sola scripturists who stand implacably on the words of the bible. It is inerrant, and everything in it must be accepted. And they believe, only they and their denomination stands full square on the letter of the bible(or them and denominations closely aligned to them in doctrine) Indeed, I grew up in such a church(non sda) And there is much criticism of other denominations who it is felt do not totally adhere to what is written as they do. Many in other churches see this as arrogance. My church was considered as such when I was young.

The problem is, you cannot just read the literal words of partial scripture and understand the full message in the bible. The bible was not meant to be understood that way. The message is inerrant, but you will never fully understand that message if you just concentrate on the letter itself. You are left with at best a shallow understanding of scripture. When I look back now to when I had that mentality, I can testify that was true in my own life, as well as those in the church I was a member of. Yet, as people do today, I thought I belonged to the church closest to the church of the new testement. Such churches, in effect preach righteousness of obeying the law. Which is what LGW in truth preaches, however skilfully he tries to use words to protest to the contrary. And it was the same in the church I went to when young. In truth, these people simply excuse their own sin(somehow) and just concentrate on the fact they do not get drunk, smoke, use foul language, have extra marital affairs etc. They then believe they have reached the moral requirement to enter heaven. Again, it is so shallow, many who persecuted Christ and the early church could have passed their tests easily


You have to understand the message contained in the letter. Just reeling off huge chunks of the letter itself proves nothing, a child could do it!! And in my experience, there are only partial sola scripturists anyway, its just quoting selective verses they copy paste from their computer.


It is sad really, they will never truly understand the message they are so confident they fully know. And they miss out on what is most important in Christianity. They do not display the love and compassion in their lives as you will find among others who do not have their mindset. For the letter kills, it either crushes you, or you become hardnosed. Neither of those brings forth love for others in anyone. You just end up preaching a message you cannot practice in your own personal life, again, no love for others in doing that

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Such churches, in effect preach righteousness of obeying the law. Which is what LGW in truth preaches, however skilfully he tries to use words to protest to the contrary.

If our lamp has gone out how can we see when the road is dark and narrow? Why make claims that no one is claiming? Why make arguments no one is making? Where have I ever said to you or anyone else here that we recieve righteousness by obeying God's LAW? If I have never said or believe such things here why pretend that I have? This is simply being dishonest. I will leave that between you and God. I have already forgiven you.

All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you?

It is sad really, they will never truly understand the message they are so confident they fully know. And they miss out on what is most important in Christianity. They do not display the love and compassion in their lives as you will find among others who do not have their mindset. For the letter kills, it either crushes you, or you become hardnosed. Neither of those brings forth love for others in anyone. You just end up preaching a message you cannot practice in your own personal life, again, no love for others in doing that

If God's WORD says;

PROVERBS 28:13 He that turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

How can anyone know the truth of God's WORD when God's WORD is only revealed to those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD as they are guided by the Spirit of truth *JOHN 14:26; 16:13; 7:17; 8:31-36? If we do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in truth we do not have his Spirit and do not know his WORD. Yet where is the mighty and wise? Even this is a gift of God to all those who have ears to hear.

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word)

 

[Timothy416]

If our lamp has gone out how can we see when the road is dark and narrow? Why make claims that no one is claiming? Why make arguments no one is making? Where have I ever said to you or anyone else here that we recieve righteousness by obeying God's LAW? If I have never said or believe such things here why pretend that I have? This is simply being dishonest.

All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is the not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you?



If God's WORD says;

PROVERBS 28:13 He that turns away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

How can anyone know the truth of God's WORD when God's WORD is only revealed to those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD as they are guided by the Spirit of truth *JOHN 14:26; 16:13; 7:17; 8:31-36? If we do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God in truth we do not have his Spirit and do not know his WORD. Yet where is the mighty and wise? Even this is a gift of God to all those who have ears to hear.

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word)

As I said in the post you have responded to. People who consider themselves sola scripturists, following the letter, have a very shallow understanding of the bible, you prove the point well

 

[Timothy416]

Who were the people who persecuted Christ and the early church? Religious people who accused them of being lawbreakers/ignoring the law, people who proclaimed they fully obeyed the law when they did not. Sola scripturists one could say, of a type. Little has changed in 2,000 years

 

[LoveGodsWord]

As I said in the post you have responded to. People who consider themselves sola scripturists, following the letter, have a very shallow understanding of the bible, you prove the point well

You speak your own words and testify of yourself over the Word of God. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that seek to break the commandments of God. JESUS says those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who should we believe and follow God or man *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29? I BELIEVE God's WORD do you?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Sola scripturists one could say, of a type.

If one was a deceiver they could say this, yes.

 

[Timothy416]

You speak your own words and testify of yourself over the Word of God. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that seek to break the commandments of God. JESUS says those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who should we believe and follow God or man *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29? I BELIEVE God's WORD do you?

Well evidently you do not actually believe what you state are the words of God. For you accept as Christians people who according to you knowingly and continually break the ten commandments without repentance. So according to your beliefs, you do not follow the words of God

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Little has changed in 2,000 years

Mankind is many many times more destructive,
and religions abound that are evil, preventing Christ,
and teachings, false teachings preventing Christ,
super-abound
much much more than 2000 years ago.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Who were the people who persecuted Christ and the early church? Religious people who accused them of being lawbreakers/ignoring the law, people who proclaimed they fully obeyed the law when they did not. Sola scripturists one could say, of a type. Little has changed in 2,000 years

Those who persecuted JESUS are the same as all those through time that have persecuted God's people. They are all those who do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *MATTHEW 10:17-26

 

[Timothy416]

If one was a deceiver they could say this, yes.

Hello

You didn't answer my question yesterday

Can you help LGW out with his confusion. He calls people brothers in Christ, who, according to his continually stated posts must be liars and children of the devil.

Thanks