The Bible's Laws on Divorce and Remarriage.

[Neogaia777]

After we are saved by God's grace in accepting Jesus as our Savior, we have to continue in the faith by following Jesus. Continuing in the faith: Keeping God's commands (or the Sanctification process by the Spirit) is also part of God's grace being applied to us. For if we walk in the light, the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin (1 John 1:7); For Christ is the author of eternal salvation to all who OBEY Him (See: Hebrews 5:9). Works of faith are a part of our faith.

You have to make some allowances for sin in that walk until it is complete or completed, especially in the lives of others...

And if you do not you condemn your own self...

God Bless!

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

It's not a contradiction. A believer sometimes can take time to learn and apply God's Word so as to mature in their faith. Faithful believers do not justify sin and think they are saved.

This thread is about divorce and remarriage so your comments have to be in that context. Therefore what you seem to be saying that divorced Christians are not faithful believers and who are justifying sin and think they are saved when they are not.

In summary, your comments indicate that every divorced Christian is not saved and they are deceiving themselves if they think they are.

In effect, Jeremiah 29:11 does not apply to any divorced person:
"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."

In effect, you are saying that divorce is the unforgivable sin, and that God will not prosper them but rather will harm them, and will not give them a hope and a future.

You see, when you start quoting stuff out of context, you put yourself in danger of being misunderstood.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Denying sin is a subtle way of justifying sin, and just because some are honest about their sin(s) does not mean they are justifying it/them not think they are OK, nor feel that they are OK...

And it is a contradiction as you make no allowance for any kind of sin, which is a contradiction, and contradicts the true gospel and good news gospel message...

What you saying, doing, preaching is not the "good news"...

And the gospel you proclaim you do not live up to, nor can anyone else either...

Cause it's a false gospel...

God Bless!

No, you are wrong, dear sir. A false gospel seeks to justify sin in a believer's life. Jesus warned us about many sins and how they can destroy our souls (See Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 19:17, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 9:62, Luke 10:25-28). John says that to even hate your brother means that they do not have eternal life abiding in them (See 1 John 3:15).

 

[Neogaia777]

No, you are wrong, dear sir. A false gospel seeks to justify sin in a believer's life. Jesus warned us about many sins and how they can destroy our souls (See Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 19:17, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 9:62, Luke 10:25-28). John says that to even hate your brother means that they do not have eternal life abiding in them (See 1 John 3:15).

No your wrong sir, cause hardly anyone who is believer who admits they still are a sinner and do still sin sometimes, is trying to justify that or those sins at all, but is just telling the truth and being honest... And God respects that much more than being dishonest...

And the worst kinds of evil are committed by those denying (their) sin or sins...

Is sin dangerous, destructive, yes, and should we do everything we can do to not sin, yes, but anyone who thinks they are walking the walk perfectly is greatly deceived and it is a completely voluntary self-deception as well...

And, you contradict yourself by saying that they will struggle or stumble and fall sometimes, and fail sometimes, but make no allowance for that whatsoever...

And, You have to make some allowances for sin in that/the walk with Christ until it is complete or completed, especially in the lives of others...

And if you do not you condemn your own self...

And, are you the judge of God's timing, in either your own, let alone anyone else's, life...? Or is God...?

And are we gonna let God be God basically...? And not get in His way...?

God Bless!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

This thread is about divorce and remarriage so your comments have to be in that context. Therefore what you seem to be saying that divorced Christians are not faithful believers and who are justifying sin and think they are saved when they are not.

In summary, your comments indicate that every divorced Christian is not saved and they are deceiving themselves if they think they are.

In effect, Jeremiah 29:11 does not apply to any divorced person:
"For I know the plans I have for you," declares the LORD, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future."

In effect, you are saying that divorce is the unforgivable sin, and that God will not prosper them but rather will harm them, and will not give them a hope and a future.

You see, when you start quoting stuff out of context, you put yourself in danger of being misunderstood.

I am well aware of the context.
If you believe the context refutes what I believe these texts say, then please re-emphasize them here for us to see.

Anyways, if a person is divorced and does not remarry, they can be forgiven if they divorced for the wrong reasons.

In divorce and remarriage: It is a forgivable sin but they have to stop sinning by ending the union that was not approved of by God's Word and then seek forgiveness with Christ. According to 1 Corinthians 7:39, and Romans 7:2, if the previous spouse that a person was married to in their previous marriage is still alive, they are technically still committing adultery with their new partner (in remarriage). In God's court, He does not recognize remarriage by the law if the other previous spouse is still alive. There are other kinds of marital unions that people make today that are not approved of by God, too. In India, a person can marry a dog, but God would not recognize such a marriage (obviously).

 

[Neogaia777]

No, you are wrong, dear sir. A false gospel seeks to justify sin in a believer's life. Jesus warned us about many sins and how they can destroy our souls (See Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 19:17, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 9:62, Luke 10:25-28). John says that to even hate your brother means that they do not have eternal life abiding in them (See 1 John 3:15).

Working through self-effort to become or achieve 100% sinlessness, and having only that as the primary aim and goal, and think that earns and/or gets you anything at all from God or before God, or that that is the whole primary, number one point, or goal or aim or whatever, is a or "the false Gospel" you are following, or trying to follow and or preach and obey, ect, that you can't ect... And teaching others (to do) the same, is very, very wrong and it not the true gospel but a/the false one...

God Bless!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

No your wrong sir, cause hardly anyone who is believer who admits they still are a sinner and do still sin sometimes, is trying to justify that or those sins at all, but is just telling the truth and being honest... And God respects that much more than being dishonest...

And the worst kinds of evil are committed by those denying (their) sin or sins...

Is sin dangerous, destructive, yes, and should we do everything we can do to not sin, yes, but anyone who thinks they are walking the walk perfectly is greatly deceived and it is a completely voluntary self-deception as well...

And, you contradict yourself by saying that they will struggle or stumble and fall sometimes, and fail sometimes, but make no allowance for that whatsoever...

And, You have to make some allowances for sin in that/the walk with Christ until it is complete or completed, especially in the lives of others...

And if you do not you condemn your own self...

And, are you the judge of God's timing, in either your own, let alone anyone else's, life...? Or is God...?

And are we gonna let God be God basically...? And not get in His way...?

God Bless!

No, what you say is not true. First, I said a believer can take time to mature in their faith (Hence the stumbling on occasion for some believers). It does not mean every believer will do that. In fact, in Scripture we read this:

5 "There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth.
6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless." (Luke 1:5-6).​

3 "And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.
5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God." (Revelation 14:3-5).​

So what you say is simply not in line with what the Bible says. You believe Christians will always sin on some level, but this is not what we read in the above two passages.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Working through self-effort to become or achieve 100% sinlessness, and having only that as the primary aim and goal, and think that earns and/or gets you anything at all from God or before God, or that that is the whole primary, number one point, or goal or aim or whatever, is a or "the false Gospel" you are following, or trying to follow and or preach and obey, ect, that you can't ect... And teaching others (to do) the same, is very, very wrong and it not the true gospel but a/the false one...

God Bless!

Try reading and praying over 1 John 1:7, 1 John 2:3-4, and Hebrews 5:9 repeatedly for a few months and then get back to me. Read the context, check cross references. Read a ton of Christian articles on these verses. Ask God what they are truly saying and not what you would like for them to say.

 

[Neogaia777]

Try reading and praying over 1 John 1:7, 1 John 2:3-4, and Hebrews 5:9 repeatedly for a few months and then get back to me.

The point you are missing is this, "Does God desire obedience over relationship or relationship over obedience", if he cannot have both (which He can't, not with any of us anyway, and that is one of my other points)...?

Anyway, which is it...? Or which would it be...? or what would, or does He desire "more"...?

That is (some of) the point(s) you are missing with your false gospel...

As so very many of you just like you do regularly...

God Bless!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The point you are missing is this, "Does God desire obedience over relationship or relationship over obedience", if he cannot have both (which He can't, not with any of us anyway, and that is one of my other points)...?

Anyway, which is it...? Or which would it be...? or what would, or does He desire "more"...?

That is (some of) the point(s) you are missing with your false gospel...

As so very many of you just like you do regularly...

God Bless!

I disagree with you. I believe the Bible clearly teaches that a sin and still be saved type belief is a false gospel. Jude 1:4 would be a good place for you to start reading and studying to learn about that. Anyways, we are talking about marriage and divorce, if you don't want to contribute to that topic, then please move on. Thank you.

May the Lord's love shine upon you.

 

[Neogaia777]

Try reading and praying over 1 John 1:7, 1 John 2:3-4, and Hebrews 5:9 repeatedly for a few months and then get back to me. Read the context, check cross references. Read a ton of Christian articles on these verses. Ask God what they are truly saying and not what you would like for them to say.

Try reading some of the Bible in it's complete context... Taking in all factors like, and not just only words in their context, but also the situation/circumstance at the time, their audience and what was going on with them at that time, what and who they were addressing, ect...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I disagree with you. I believe the Bible clearly teaches that a sin and still be saved type belief is a false gospel.

And, as "opposed to what" exactly...? The achieve and do and/to save you type, or what...?

Are we not all sinners saved by Grace and Grace alone, or not...?

Oh, I forget your not a sinner, sorry...

God Bless!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Try reading some of the Bible in it's complete context... Taking in all factors like, and not just only words in their context, but also the situation/circumstance at the time, their audience and what was going on with them at that time, what and who they were addressing, ect...

God Bless!

I do take into account many things in reading the Bible. I have shown you Scripture many times and you just flat out ignored it. So I highly doubt that you are taking your own advice. Anyways, please stop with the lecturing on an off topic discussion. We are talking about marriage and divorce.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

And, as "opposed to what" exactly...?

Are we not all sinners saved by Grace and Grace alone, or not...?

Oh, I forget your not a sinner, sorry...

God Bless!

No. Jesus called sinners to repentance. Anyways, this is not the topic of this thread. Please start another thread if you do not want to talk about marriage and divorce.

 

[Neogaia777]

No. Jesus called sinners to repentance.

Not by a "achieve and do, and in that way become sinless in your own eyes, approach to save you "type", but by another much greater and better way that is not so sin and works focused or conscious...

That's what I oppose...

God Bless!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Not by a "achieve and do, and in that way become sinless in your own eyes, approach to save you "type", but by another much greater and better way that is not so sin and works focused or conscious...

That's what I oppose...

God Bless!

Please stop interrupting the thread.

 

[Neogaia777]

Please stop interrupting the thread.

K, will get back on topic now OK...?

God Bless!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Working through self-effort to become or achieve 100% sinlessness, and having only that as the primary aim and goal, and think that earns and/or gets you anything at all from God or before God, or that that is the whole primary, number one point, or goal or aim or whatever, is a or "the false Gospel" you are following, or trying to follow and or preach and obey, ect, that you can't ect... And teaching others (to do) the same, is very, very wrong and it not the true gospel but a/the false one...

God Bless!

Well, you are espousing things that I don't even believe. I have told you my position before many times, but you refuse to hear it. Anyways, we are talking about marriage and divorce. Please stay on topic please.

Side Note:

Note to the reader, I do not believe Sinless Perfectionism is for salvation. I believe a Christian does have to confess to Jesus and overcome grievous sin or those sins that the Bible warns that can cause spiritual death for us. Not all sin is the same in the Bible (Which is yet another error that many make) (See 1 John 5:16-17, 1 Peter 3:21, Psalms 19:12). This also does not mean that a Christian should make light of even minor commands of God that do not lead to spiritual death. A Christian will want to obey God in everything. Christians who are faithful will not seek to justify sin.

 

[DamianWarS]

According to Jewish Law or the Old Testament Scriptures, a woman could not initiate divorce proceedings. If she departs from her husband, it is talking about abandonment as you say and not her divorcing his husband. If she abandons her husband, she is to remain unmarried the rest of her life unless she can reconcile with her husband. It does not say if she has the power to divorce anyone. So this would not be another rule of exception to divorce. In our society, it is common for women to divorce their husbands, but this was not really a possibility under Jewish Law. She could abandon him, but she could not divorce him according to OT Law. This law obviously continued into the New Covenant.

Paul provides accommodation for the one who is abandon not the one who abandons. I'm not sure why you suggest the latter. v15 says "But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved." The abandon partner is no longer bound to their unbelieving partner. I'm not sure how else you would interpret this.

 

[Neogaia777]

Well, you are espousing things that I don't even believe.

I know, and that is part of the problem...

I have told you my position before many times, but you refuse to hear it.

I have heard it many times, but it's wrong, so...?

Note to the reader, I do not believe Sinless Perfectionism is for salvation.

If you believe it is the eventual aim and goal of it all, then why do you not make any allowances for it for someone "in the process", still...?

I believe a Christian does have to confess to Jesus and overcome grievous sin or those sins that the Bible warns that can cause spiritual death for us.

What is or are "grievous sins" to you...? Are they not what grieves God and the Holy Spirit the most...? So, what would those be, what Kind of sin or sins does God absolutely "hate" the most, or more than anything or any others...?

A Christian will want to obey God in everything.

Agreed... though may not be entirely always and perpetually successful in this life...

Christians who are faithful will not seek to justify sin.

What do you consider "justifying sin" is...?

God Bless!