Trump plans to reclassify nuclear waste - Make America Glow Again

[cow451]

I like this, God made dirt so dirt don’t hurt.

That’s why they rub it into surgical incisions all the time.

 

[JackRT]

This thread got me to look up "radioactive waste". Yikes!

"Certain radioactive elements (such as plutonium-239) will remain hazardous to humans and other creatures for hundreds of thousands of years. Other radionuclides remain hazardous for millions of years. Thus, these wastes must be shielded for centuries and isolated from the living environment for millennia."

You'd think it's not worth producing it in the first place. Yet, they are going full steam ahead on reopening the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant in Japan. I'm sure many other places too.

The hazards are certainly different but on the whole nuclear is far safer than fossils fuels.

 

[cow451]

 

[essentialsaltes]

You'd think it's not worth producing it in the first place. Yet, they are going full steam ahead on reopening the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant in Japan. I'm sure many other places too.

The hazards are real, and the long-term problem of waste is a challenge that hasn't been fully met, but there are also great advantages to nuclear energy. The process itself produces no greenhouse gases, which helps on the climate change front. And although the waste is bad, for short-term it's easier to stick a big glowing barrel in the basement than it is to stick a big barrel of carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, nitrogen oxides and other pollutants in the basement.

I think nuclear could be a great way to bridge the gap as we try to wean off fossil fuels and build up our renewable energy production. I'd like to see its use increase.

I just want it done responsibly and safely.

 

[Kenny'sID]

The op's article starts out:

SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) — The Trump administration wants to reclassify some radioactive waste left from the production of nuclear weapons to lower its threat level and make disposal cheaper and easier.

So the question would be, does some of the waste actually warrant a lower threat level?

And I do realize looking at the proposal sensibly/discussing the possibilities, takes all the fun out of the thread, but it would seem at least one person here would have tried that already. And surely you all know DT didn't come up with this on his own and that it was likely suggested by the people in the know? You know, the same way they might recommend it to any president. and just like any other president might, they/he put it out here to see what people think.

OK, back to the unfounded general flow of one of a hundred hate Donald threads where DT is going to mindlessly throw nuclear waste around to where it ought not be.

 

[cow451]

The op's article starts out:

SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) — The Trump administration wants to reclassify some radioactive waste left from the production of nuclear weapons to lower its threat level and make disposal cheaper and easier.

So the question would be, does some of the waste actually warrant a lower threat level?

And I do realize looking at the proposal sensibly/discussing the possibilities, takes all the fun out of the thread, but it would seem at least one person here would have tried that already. And surely you all know DT didn't come up with this on his own and that it was likely suggested by the people in the know? You know, the same way they might recommend it to any president. and just like any other president might, they/he put it out here to see what people think.

OK, back to the unfounded general flow of one of a hundred hate Donald threads where DT is going to mindlessly throw nuclear waste around to where it ought not be.

Trump doesn’t make reasoned decisions. The consequences of a bad decision about nukes is a big deal.

And I am generally pro nuclear energy.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Trump doesn’t make reasoned decisions. The consequences of a bad decision about nukes is a big deal

Was that a selective misunderstanding of my post? And why am I even considering a post that says Trump has made no reasoned decisions at all? Of course I am on "one of those threads" that spew things that are clearly untrue, so...

 

[Tanj]

The op's article starts out:

SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) — The Trump administration wants to reclassify some radioactive waste left from the production of nuclear weapons to lower its threat level and make disposal cheaper and easier.

So the question would be, does some of the waste actually warrant a lower threat level?

And I do realize looking at the proposal sensibly/discussing the possibilities, takes all the fun out of the thread, but it would seem at least one person here would have tried that already. And surely you all know DT didn't come up with this on his own and that it was likely suggested by the people in the know? You know, the same way they might recommend it to any president. and just like any other president might, they/he put it out here to see what people think.

OK, back to the unfounded general flow of one of a hundred hate Donald threads where DT is going to mindlessly throw nuclear waste around to where it ought not be.

Ordinarily I'd agree with you Kenny, but sadly the head of the DOE that takes care of this stuff is Rick Perry, who is...not the sharpest tool in the shed.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Ordinarily I'd agree with you Kenny, but sadly the head of the DOE that takes care of this stuff is Rick Perry, who is...not the sharpest tool in the shed.

I honestly believe there will be enough knowledgeable people involved in making such a serious decision, that they will have a good chance of making as right a decision as they can. It's not just up to one or two.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Maybe the Trump DLC is what makes Fallout 76 a success.

 

[Hank77]

I honestly believe there will be enough knowledgeable people involved in making such a serious decision, that they will have a good chance of making as right a decision as they can. It's not just up to one or two.

Do you really believe that all the DOE people, never mind all the scientists involved, who have studied this problem in the past were wrong about the danger level of this waste? They were/are the knowledgeable people in the mix that gave the current rating.

 

[Sparagmos]

The ground is where the stuff came from in the first place.

Wow.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Do you really believe that all the DOE people, never mind all the scientists involved, who have studied this problem in the past were wrong about the danger level of this waste? They were/are the knowledgeable people in the mix that gave the current rating.

No, not at all, and I believe they'll be involved in this. Do you have any reason to believe they won't?

 

[essentialsaltes]

So the question would be, does some of the waste actually warrant a lower threat level?

And I do realize looking at the proposal sensibly/discussing the possibilities, takes all the fun out of the thread, but it would seem at least one person here would have tried that already. And surely you all know DT didn't come up with this on his own and that it was likely suggested by the people in the know?

The last reactor at Hanford shut down in 1987. 30 years ago. It has been an environmental nightmare ever since. Nevertheless, Ronnie could have mindlessly thrown nuclear waste around. The late 41 could have mindlessly thrown nuclear waste around. 43 could have mindlessly thrown nuclear waste around. Heck, presidents with D's after their names could have mindlessly thrown nuclear waste around.

OK, back to the unfounded general flow of one of a hundred hate Donald threads where DT is going to mindlessly throw nuclear waste around to where it ought not be.

Yes, it takes a stable genius like Trump to consider this plan.

 

[Hank77]

No, not at all, and I believe they'll be involved in this. Do you have any reason to believe they won't?

Kenny, why would they even discuss it to begin with? It hasn't changed it's composition over the years. They are not going to test and reevaluate it, they just want to rate it lower so they can save money on storage.

 

[rambot]

Store it under Mara Lago or whatever it's called.
No biggies.

 

[Kenny'sID]

The last reactor at Hanford shut down in 1987. 30 years ago. It has been an environmental nightmare ever since. Nevertheless, Ronnie could have mindlessly thrown nuclear waste around. The late 41 could have mindlessly thrown nuclear waste around. 43 could have mindlessly thrown nuclear waste around. Heck, presidents with D's after their names could have mindlessly thrown nuclear waste around.

Rrright, and?

Yes, it takes a stable genius like Trump to consider this plan.

No sure I know what that means? Are you certain that there are no experts on the subject that have looked at this before it even made it to Trump? I woulds say it's most likely being considered by the EPA/DOE and then some. What I'm trying to tell you is Trump is far from solely responsible for this, he has help by people in the know, that only stands to reason. And I know "reason" is not what this thread is about but could you try for one moment to do that?

Or maybe I should just ask what is the range of your expertise in this field, and what exactly do you think is being considered here, and why won't it work? Or do you not have a clue about any of those things?

 

[Kenny'sID]

Kenny, why would they even discuss it to begin with? It hasn't changed it's composition over the years. They are not going to test and reevaluate it, they just want to rate it lower so they can save money on storage.

The question is, would that be OK to do that? Is there a margin of safety there from past evaluations that may well be worth considering, and looking for a happy medium? Can it be rerated safely?

No offense, Hank, but I just don't believe anyone here has knowledge enough to act as they are on this thread, and it's just another mindless Trump can't do anything right thread, before anyone even thinks about what's really going on.

 

[variant]

Maybe they could drop it into the crater of an active volcano. That would destroy it.

That would spread it into the atmosphere, not destroy it.

 

[Sparagmos]

Rrright, and?



No sure I know what that means? Are you certain that there are no experts on the subject that have looked at this before it even made it to Trump? I woulds say it's most likely being considered by the EPA/DOE and then some. What I'm trying to tell you is Trump is far from solely responsible for this, he has help by people in the know, that only stands to reason. And I know "reason" is not what this thread is about but could you try for one moment to do that?

Or maybe I should just ask what is the range of your expertise in this field, and what exactly do you think is being considered here, and why won't it work? Or do you not have a clue about any of those things?

The EPA and the DOE are now captured regulatory bodies. When has Scott Pruit ever cared about protecting the environment? He was against the EPA before he was appointed to run it. He is a climate change denier. The current guy running the EPA is a former lobbyist FOR THE COAL INDUSTRY. The foxes are guarding the henhouse.
From a paper published by the American Journal of Public Health:
“Under Administrator Scott Pruitt, the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has undergone rapid shifts in its stated priorities, policies, and other practices that have broken with not only the Obama administration but all its past history. Pruitt and other Trump appointees seek what policy scholar David Carpenter describes as “electorally sanctioned pro-business governance.”1(p210) Yet what they are actually accomplishing comes closer to what Carpenter, David Moss, and other social scientists term “regulatory capture”: when “regulation is . . . directed away from the public interest and toward the interest of the regulated industry” by “intent and action” of industries and their allies.1(p73)”