Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.

[LittleLambofJesus]

I believe Elijah - the real one - is going to be one of the two Witnesses.

Both Moses and Elijah appeared at the Transfiguration

Matthew 17:3
And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
Mark 9:4
And Elijah appeared to them with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus.
Luke 9:30
And behold, two men talked with Him, who were Moses and Elijah,

There is a discussion thread on that topic at this link for those interested:

What about the 2 witnesses Revelation 11

Who/what are the 2 witnesses symbolizing in Reve 11.
The powers they have are similar to those of Moses and Elijah, who both appeared with Jesus at the transfiguration. Discuss........

Revelation 11:
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and one said, Rise! and measure! the Sanctuary of God, and the Altar, and them that worship therein.
2 And the Court, which is without the Sanctuary, be casting out! outside, and measure it not;
for it hath been given unto the Nations:
and the holy City shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I shall be giving unto My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies:
and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy:
and have power over waters to turn them to blood,
and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

Exodus 7:
19 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, “Say to Aaron, ‘Take your rod and stretch out your hand over the waters of Egypt, over their streams, over their rivers, over their ponds, and over all their pools of water, that they may become blood. And there shall be blood throughout all the land of Egypt, both in buckets of wood and pitchers of stone.' ”
20 And Moses and Aaron did so, just as the LORD commanded.
So he lifted up the rod and struck the waters that were in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh and in the sight of his servants.
And all the waters that were in the river were turned to blood.

1 Kings 17:1
And Elijah the Tishbite, of the inhabitants of Gilead, said to Ahab, “As the LORD God of Israel lives, before whom I stand, there shall not be dew nor rain these years, except at my word.”

James mentions Elijah:

James 5:17
Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain;
and it did not rain on the land for three years and six months.


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[LittleLambofJesus]

Yes rebuild it already so we can finally go home!!

It will be a wonder of the world if it is anything like Herod's Temple.........

WHAT "MANNER OF BUILDINGS AND STONES" 1ST CENTURY TEMPLE

Matthew 24:
1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings<3619>of the Temple.
Mark 13:1
And He going forth out of the Temple, one of His Disciples is saying to Him “Teacher! behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings<3619>"
Luke 21:
5 and of some saying concerning the Temple, that to goodly<2570> stones and votive-offerings<334> it has been adorned
Luke 19:44

43 That shall be arriving<2240> days upon Thee,
and Thy enemies<2190> shall be casting up a rampart/siege-work<5482> to Thee
and shall be encompassing<4033> Thee,
and pressing<4912> Thee from-every-side<3840>.
44 And shall be leveling<1474> Thee and Thy offspring<5043> in Thee,
and not shall be leaving<863> stone upon stone in Thee,
stead which not Thou knew the season of the visitation<1984> of Thee".

https://www.bible-history.com/jewishtemple/JEWISH_TEMPLEHerods_Temple00000006.htm

None of the restorations or extensions of the Second Temple of Zerubbabel could compare with the work begun by King Herod I (the Great) at the beginning of 19 BC. Herod complained that the Temple of Zerubbabel was built like a fortress and was shorter than that of Solomon’s Temple by about 90 feet because of a decree made by Darius, the Persian king. King Herod no doubt wanted to be remembered forever as the builder of the greatest temple of the Jews.

Although the reconstruction was equal to an entire rebuilding, still the Herodian Temple cannot be spoken of as a third Temple, for Herod even said himself, that it was only intended to be regarded as an enlarging and further beautifying of that of Zerubbabel’s.
The work of rebuilding the Temple began in 19 BC which was the 18th year of King Herod’s reign. There were 10,000 skilled laborers and according to Josephus (Ant. 15.11.2) the laity could not enter certain parts of the building, therefore 1000 Levites were specially trained as builders and masons, and carried out their work so efficiently and carefully that at no time was there any interruption in the sacrifices and other services. The work was started by leveling larger portions of the Temple Mount, so that the new building might be erected on a broader base. It was also made much taller, so that the white stone gleamed in the bright Palestinian sun and could be seen from miles away.........

 

[BNR32FAN]

It will be a wonder of the world if it is anything like Herod's Temple.........

WHAT "MANNER OF BUILDINGS AND STONES" 1ST CENTURY TEMPLE

Matthew 24:
1 And Jesus coming out, departed from the Temple.
And His Disciples approached Him to show to Him the buildings<3619>of the Temple.
Mark 13:1
And He going forth out of the Temple, one of His Disciples is saying to Him “Teacher! behold! what manner of stones and what manner of buildings<3619>"
Luke 21:
5 and of some saying concerning the Temple, that to goodly<2570> stones and votive-offerings<334> it has been adorned
Luke 19:44


https://www.bible-history.com/jewishtemple/JEWISH_TEMPLEHerods_Temple00000006.htm

For some reason I picture a lot of huge cookouts & barbecues. Lol I certainly hope so

 

[DennisTate]

For some reason I picture a lot of huge cookouts & barbecues. Lol I certainly hope so

That does sound promising!

Psalms 78:55

He cast out the heathen also before them, and divided them an inheritance by line, and made the tribes of Israel to dwell in their tents.


A Third Temple In Jerusalem, Breaking News?

A Third Temple In Jerusalem, Breaking News?

The place of the Third Temple is unequivocally determined in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel. This temple will be built at a new location:

The boundaries of holy oblation (Ezekiel 48:9,10,13,15,18,20). The area of the land plot of Levi. The borders of Israel (Ezekiel 47:15-20). Land plots of the tribes of Israel (Ezekiel 48:1-7,23-27). Land for the President (Ezekiel 48:21,22). Joseph's striped robe (Genesis 37:3). Double plot of land for Joseph (Ezekiel 47:13,14). The "face" of the Messiah. The land of Moriah. Details of the route of Abraham (Genesis 22:4,5). The place where Abraham’s knife may lie. 500 reeds around the Temple (Ezekiel 43:16-20). Where is the right side of the House and where is the left side of the House. The watershed of the basins of two streams - Nahal Arugot and Nahal Hever. Details of the flow of water (Ezekiel 47:1,2,8-10).

 

[BNR32FAN]

That does sound promising!

Psalms 78:55

He cast out the heathen also before them, and divided them an inheritance by line, and made the tribes of Israel to dwell in their tents.


A Third Temple In Jerusalem, Breaking News?

A Third Temple In Jerusalem, Breaking News?

I’m not sure what you mean?

 

[DennisTate]

For some reason I picture a lot of huge cookouts & barbecues. Lol I certainly hope so

Dwelling in tents..... and the fulfillment of the Festival of Tabernacles.......
fits with huge cookouts and barbecues......

Psalms 78:55

He cast out the heathen also before them, and divided them an inheritance by line, and made the tribes of Israel to dwell in their tents.



Is a Jerusalem Third Temple needed before Zechariah 14 can happen?

 

[DennisTate]

I was really impressed with this answer regarding this question in another discussion:

Could 2017 - 2021 be four years of Grace for the church?

Whether Mr. Trump is aware of it or not, he is the hand of God right now. He has moved the embassy of the US to Jerusalem... this is HUGE. Past presidents have talked about it... promised to do it (but been too cowardly to do it) or even used it to keep relations with Israel well.
This move is a pivotal move in, first, showing that the US is backing Israel as a state and the rightful owner of the land, including Jerusalem. And secondly, giving Israel the support and power to proceed with confirmation that Jerusalem is it's capitol.

This, IMO, moves the pieces on the chess board very close to the building of the third temple.

It will not be on the temple mount. This is where the Muslims have constructed the "Dome on the Rock". However, their research was wrong. The temple will be built south of this site, in the "City of David" part of Jerusalem. There are all kinds of new information being found in recent digs in this area that put the "wailing wall" out of the picture as far as being part of the old temples. Nothing of the old temples exist.

Anyway... Trump, consciously or not, has been God's hand in this move.

Not to mention Mr. Pense as his vice.. a strong Christian.

People need to stop listening to the negative things that the media are spewing about Trump. As Christians we should have our eyes open and gaze at the subtle, yet important things that Trump is doing for his country.

The US needs to see that Trump is a tool that is being used by God... as time progresses, the media will grow louder, but it is only a clanging gong attempting to hide the works that God is doing in your nation.

I say this as a Canadian.. Look at the new North America Trade deal... You guys won and won big. Trump put our mealy mouthed, juvenile, entitled little brat of a Prime Minister in his place. Justin fired off his inexperienced arrogant mouth and Trump made him pay...

Good for you... as Trump should do... bad for us.... because we have not got a Prime minister with our country's best interest in mind. Your POTUS is working to make the US great. Don't miss the truth.

 

[Copperhead]

I am not so sure we should focus so much on supporting the temple being rebuilt, instead we should ficus more that we are not actively hindering anything. Essentially, mind our own business and let those in Israel worry about it. Else we could find that we are going up against God Himself. When someone can locate a directive from Yeshua or the Apostles that we are to be active participants in a 3rd temple, one way or the other, I will listen, but probably still hold the position that it is not in our pay grade to do anything about.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I am not so sure we should focus so much on supporting the temple being rebuilt, instead we should ficus more that we are not actively hindering anything. Essentially, mind our own business and let those in Israel worry about it. Else we could find that we are going up against God Himself. When someone can locate a directive from Yeshua or the Apostles that we are to be active participants in a 3rd temple, one way or the other, I will listen, but probably still hold the position that it is not in our pay grade to do anything about.

 

[DennisTate]

I am not so sure we should focus so much on supporting the temple being rebuilt, instead we should ficus more that we are not actively hindering anything. Essentially, mind our own business and let those in Israel worry about it. Else we could find that we are going up against God Himself. When someone can locate a directive from Yeshua or the Apostles that we are to be active participants in a 3rd temple, one way or the other, I will listen, but probably still hold the position that it is not in our pay grade to do anything about.

That is an excellent point indeed!

At the minimum we should not try to stop what G-d may well be working out!

I am now convinced that the fulfillment of
Ezekiel 47
is the key to turning around most of the disasters predicted to strike this earth..... so that the full fledged Era of Messiah can begin on earth where the lion will even eat straw like an ox.

I was really impressed by this reply on a similar topic:

Is a Jerusalem Third Temple needed before Zechariah 14 can happen?

I sure am hoping that the natural disasters of the Bible..... or many of them anyway... can be fulfilled metaphorically by waves of people repenting and doing Teshuvah?

The life story of Rabbi Alon Anava who was a total skeptic until he had a near death experience is a great example of how Jews can return to G-d with their whole heart.

For example, what is a "mountain" in the system of images in the Holy Scriptures? The mountain is a symbol of a certain teaching. For example: "The Sermon on the Mount of Jesus Christ".

Or the sermon that was heard by the disciples of Jesus Christ when they were with Him on the Mount of Olives. That is, the "Mount of Olives" is the doctrine of the signs of the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

When Jesus Christ said:

For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith. (Mark 11:23)

— He pointed to the Mount of Olives.


Accordingly, the phrase "and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea"(Revelation 8:8) means that the doctrine of the signs of the Second Coming struck unbelievers, struck the whole world ("sea" is an image of the world).

The inner horror that affects the thoughts of billions of people around the world can cause a very serious global crisis:

And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
(Luke 21:25)

This Great Tribulation will never end unless humanity builds the Temple in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel — so that there will be a place where the “elected from the four winds” will gather.

 

[iamlamad]

I am not so sure we should focus so much on supporting the temple being rebuilt, instead we should ficus more that we are not actively hindering anything. Essentially, mind our own business and let those in Israel worry about it. Else we could find that we are going up against God Himself. When someone can locate a directive from Yeshua or the Apostles that we are to be active participants in a 3rd temple, one way or the other, I will listen, but probably still hold the position that it is not in our pay grade to do anything about.

Good answer. What we CAN do is pray for peace in Jerusalem.

 

[ProtectionET]

I am now convinced that the fulfillment of
Ezekiel 47
is the key to turning around most of the disasters predicted to strike this earth.....

I don't think disasters can be avoided.

First, there must be a certain number of disasters that Jesus warned us about so that the whole world could see that Jesus’s words about the signs of His Second Coming, said to the disciples on the Mount of Olives, were fulfilled.

Secondly, they will not lock the door till after the horse is stolen. Something extraordinary is about to happen so that there are enough enthusiasts in Israel to build the Temple.

This, of course, is good if people understood that don't wait for the flood to start building your ark. But in fact, Christianity today has the same relationship with God as the Jews had in the days of the First Coming of Jesus Christ.

Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen [it,] saith the LORD.
(Jeremiah 7:11)

Therefore, there is no one to rely on. For twenty years we have known the place in the Judean desert where the Third Temple should be built for the assembly of the elect from the four winds, and during these twenty years not a single Christian has bothered to visit this place. And I cannot leave Russia because I live without a passport and am a beggar. I know the Christian religion very well. This is emptiness. There are sects - there is no one Body of Christ. No spirit.

For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I [am] of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
(1 Corinthians 3: 4)

Substitute the names of your denominations here. Consider that "non-denomination" is also such a denomination. One who is a member of a denomination cannot be a member of the Body of Christ. There is no ark, everyone will be drowned. If Ezekiel's prophecy is not for you, then you yourself are not for God, who gave this prophecy, so that we can fulfill it. Are you expecting this Temple to come down from heaven? No, you're waiting for the flood to start building your ark.

 

[bbbbbbb]

I know the Christian religion very well. This is emptiness. There are sects - there is no one Body of Christ. No spirit.

Of course there is one body of Christ and one Spirit. Otherwise, Jesus and Paul would have been either extremely deluded or liars.

What you seem to think is that there must be one religious organization in order for there to be one body. As long as humans are humans there will never be a single religious organization which can supplant the living body of Jesus Christ which is bound together by His Spirit, not by doctrinal uniformity.

 

[iamlamad]

I don't think disasters can be avoided.

First, there must be a certain number of disasters that Jesus warned us about so that the whole world could see that Jesus’s words about the signs of His Second Coming, said to the disciples on the Mount of Olives, were fulfilled.

Secondly, they will not lock the door till after the horse is stolen. Something extraordinary is about to happen so that there are enough enthusiasts in Israel to build the Temple.

This, of course, is good if people understood that don't wait for the flood to start building your ark. But in fact, Christianity today has the same relationship with God as the Jews had in the days of the First Coming of Jesus Christ.

Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen [it,] saith the LORD.
(Jeremiah 7:11)

Therefore, there is no one to rely on. For twenty years we have known the place in the Judean desert where the Third Temple should be built for the assembly of the elect from the four winds, and during these twenty years not a single Christian has bothered to visit this place. And I cannot leave Russia because I live without a passport and am a beggar. I know the Christian religion very well. This is emptiness. There are sects - there is no one Body of Christ. No spirit.

For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I [am] of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
(1 Corinthians 3: 4)

Substitute the names of your denominations here. Consider that "non-denomination" is also such a denomination. One who is a member of a denomination cannot be a member of the Body of Christ. There is no ark, everyone will be drowned. If Ezekiel's prophecy is not for you, then you yourself are not for God, who gave this prophecy, so that we can fulfill it. Are you expecting this Temple to come down from heaven? No, you're waiting for the flood to start building your ark.

there is no one Body of Christ. No spirit.

What you are saying is, you would not recognize the Holy Spirit if He approached you with a red hat on - or any other color hat.

 

[ProtectionET]

What you seem to think is that there must be one religious organization in order for there to be one body.

Of course, there must be only one religious organization, otherwise all these organizations by their very existence refute the basic commandment of God and Jesus Christ:

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD
(Deuteronomy 6: 4)

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
(John 17:21)

The people who created the denominations are not the apostles of Jesus Christ.

As long as humans are humans there will never be a single religious organization which can supplant the living body of Jesus Christ which is bound together by His Spirit, not by doctrinal uniformity.

The Living Body of Christ today is a speculative construction, refuted by personal practice. For example: the absence of a member of the Body of Christ in Israel who could personally verify the presence of the ruins of an ancient altar built by Abraham in the Judean desert. Or: the lack of free electronic Bibles on the Internet, the full commercialization of Christianity. Actually, the absence of a real Christian community, other than those recorded in any denominations, is evidence of the absence of the Church on earth.

The consequence of this is the absence of prophecy (except for false prophecies, replicated by millions of copies).

 

[bbbbbbb]

Of course, there must be only one religious organization, otherwise all these organizations by their very existence refute the basic commandment of God and Jesus Christ:

Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God [is] one LORD
(Deuteronomy 6: 4)

That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
(John 17:21)

The people who created the denominations are not the apostles of Jesus Christ.

The Living Body of Christ today is a speculative construction, refuted by personal practice. For example: the absence of a member of the Body of Christ in Israel who could personally verify the presence of the ruins of an ancient altar built by Abraham in the Judean desert. Or: the lack of free electronic Bibles on the Internet, the full commercialization of Christianity. Actually, the absence of a real Christian community, other than those recorded in any denominations, is evidence of the absence of the Church on earth.

The consequence of this is the absence of prophecy (except for false prophecies, replicated by millions of copies).

So, were Jesus and Paul extremely deluded or were they lying?

 

[ProtectionET]

there is no one Body of Christ. No spirit.

What you are saying is, you would not recognize the Holy Spirit if He approached you with a red hat on - or any other color hat.

Oh, if it was a whole hat, and not a pile of tattered multi-colored rags.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Oh, if it was a whole hat, and not a pile of tattered multi-colored rags.

Are conflating the Holy Spirit with a religious organization?

 

[ProtectionET]

So, were Jesus and Paul extremely deluded or were they lying?

Of course not. Jesus warned us about this:

Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
(Matthew 13:30)

Bundles are denominations.

And the apostle Paul said:

<...> so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

(2 Thessalonians 2:4)

You know that the apostle Paul called believers "temple":

Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
(1 Corinthians 3:16)

"Ye" — this is the plural, these are all believers. "Temple" — the only number, the Temple of the Body of Christ is one. Obviously, today in this “temple” not God sits, but someone else, as the apostle Paul warned.

 

[ProtectionET]

Are conflating the Holy Spirit with a religious organization?

The Holy Spirit must bind believers together. When instead of unity there are many denominations, this proves the absence of the Holy Spirit among those in these denominations.