Hebrews Sabbath rest, how do you read it?

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I believe the Word of God. I just see it differently than you.

That is to say, you have eisigesis, with 'you' ("I just see it") being the 'interpreter', and the 'word of God' which you believe is what 'you' (see) it as.

That is 'private interpretation'.

God interprets His own word, line upon line, in the text itself; Genesis 40:8; 2 Peter 1:20; Isaiah 8:20, 28:10,13, etc. So the text is never how "I" see it. The text can only be rightly read as God sees it, with myself 'amen-ing' (seconding as witness) what God said.

(ps, not attempting to be harsh, in any way, specific examples may be given from the text in how God interprets/defines His own words)
 
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Jewish sabbaths

The 4th Commandment of God, is not the "Jewish sabbath", but rather it is the "seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God" (Exodus 20:10; I have scripture, what do you present for your "Jewish Sabbaths" comment?). His rest.

Moses wasn't a Jew, he was Hebrew of the tribe of Levi of the descendants of Abraham of ... Eber.

The Sabbath was made (at Creation) for the man (Adam, and thus all in him, 1st and 2nd/last).
 
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What do you do with Deut 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

God spoke those commandments to Israel in Ex 20.

As stated elsewhere, the Ten Commandments are indeed called a "covenant", but never the 'old' covenant. People are reading into the text "10C" everytime the word "covenant" appears around Sinai, but that is incorrect. The Ten Commandments are called God's "my covenant" and "His (God's) covenant".

In Exodus 19 there are two covenants.

[1] Exodus 19:5, "my covenant" (Ten Commandments, the eternal/everlasting covenant of God)

[2] Exodus 19:8, "All that the LORD hath spoken we will do.", which is the promises of the people (3 days earlier), through the elders/leaders, and through the mediator Moses to God, in response to God's "if" and "then" condition. This is the 'old' covenant (they agreed/promised to the conditions set by God) which failed because the people broke their promises. They did not do.
 
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The 4th Commandment of God, is not the "Jewish sabbath", but rather it is the "seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God" (Exodus 20:10; I have scripture, what do you present for your "Jewish Sabbaths" comment?). His rest.

Moses wasn't a Jew, he was Hebrew of the tribe of Levi of the descendants of Abraham of ... Eber.

The Sabbath was made (at Creation) for the man (Adam, and thus all in him, 1st and 2nd/last).
There is no such thing as a sixth day Sabbath, it's always on the seventh day. The Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. God provided that as a memorial of creation and as relief from hard labor for man and beast. It's a gift, not a requirement.

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. (Romans 14:5)
You believe it's important, then that's between you and the God who made you, go in peace I have no problem with you. I think personally every second is precious and we only have so much time on this earth. I remember God's work in creation every day, I remember Christ's work on the cross as well, but must confess, with a very limited understanding of all he did that day. God has established many memorials for us to remember how he intervened in our world and in our lives, we do well to consider that. God's will, let us both be convinced in our own minds and God be with you in your journey.

Grace and peace,
Mark
 
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There is no such thing as a sixth day Sabbath, it's always on the seventh day. The Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath. God provided that as a memorial of creation and as relief from hard labor for man and beast. It's a gift, not a requirement.

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. (Romans 14:5)
You believe it's important, then that's between you and the God who made you, go in peace I have no problem with you. I think personally every second is precious and we only have so much time on this earth. I remember God's work in creation every day, I remember Christ's work on the cross as well, but must confess, with a very limited understanding of all he did that day. God has established many memorials for us to remember how he intervened in our world and in our lives, we do well to consider that. God's will, let us both be convinced in our own minds and God be with you in your journey.

Grace and peace,
Mark

Hello Mark,

You misinterpret Romans 14:5. This is talking about days that men esteem over other days not days that God esteems. Romans 14 is talking about food, eating and not eating connected to days.

It is not talking about God's 4th commandment Sabbath. God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments if we break it just like any other of the 10 commandments we commit sin *EXODUS 20:8-11; JAMES 2:10-11.

Sin will keep all who knowingly practice it out of God's kingdom *HEBREWS

Sent only in love brother, you may need to repread the scriptures here as your trying to read into the scriptures something they are not saying.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
 
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There is no such thing as a sixth day Sabbath, it's always on the seventh day.

Thank you.

No one, and especially not I, ever said there was a "sixth day sabbath" found in the Exodus 20:8-11. What I said was, that the commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) concerns the whole week (work/rest).

The Sabbath was made for man not man for the Sabbath.

This is correct. Thus, it was made for Adam the first (and all mankind in him) and for Jesus, the 2nd/last Adam (and all in Him). Wasn't it? He is the LORD of the Sabbath.

It was for the service/ministry of man, not for his slavery. That is why it is "rest".

God provided that as a memorial of creation

Thus is it eternally the memorial of the perfect creation.

and as relief from hard labor for man and beast.

Indeed, "man" (Adam, thus even the "stranger") and "beast".

Not from 'hard labour', but rest from common labour done on the other days of the week. Holy labor of love (charity, KJB, 1 Cor. 13) ministry, is always in harmony with the commandment (Exodus 20:8-11). Jesus said, Joh_5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

It's a gift

Truly. Mark 2:27-28.

not a requirement.

The commandment is love, as it is central to the character of God, who is love. This is always required. A man does not love God in spirit and in truth (heart and deed) unless they obey God in what He commands.

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. (Romans 14:5)
You believe it's important, then that's between you and the God who made you, go in peace I have no problem with you. I think personally every second is precious and we only have so much time on this earth. I remember God's work in creation every day, I remember Christ's work on the cross as well, but must confess, with a very limited understanding of all he did that day. God has established many memorials for us to remember how he intervened in our world and in our lives, we do well to consider that. God's will, let us both be convinced in our own minds and God be with you in your journey.

Grace and peace,
Mark

You just erred and fulfilled Peter's concerns (as by the Holy Ghost), in

2Pe_3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

The wages of sin is death/destruction. Sin is the transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4; Exodus 20:1-17; Romans 7:7). Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil, sin:

1Jn_3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Paul himself wrote:

Php 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

Why are those that Paul is talking about, "enemies of the cross of Christ"? Because they want the name, but not the repentance. They refuse to come into obedience to God's Law, through God's grace, which is what the Ten Commandments start with:

Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Saved by Grace.

Followed by loving obedience, through faith in the salvation wrought in Christ Jesus:


Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

How many lawgivers?

Jas_4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Romans 14, the quick of it.

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

This is used to teach that God regards not any day as Holy, such as the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11), and that all days or no days may be kept at man's whim. Yet that is not what Romans 14 (and yea, all of Romans) teaches at all. Notice carefully,

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

Luk_16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] the words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] the words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] the words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] the entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] the words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] the words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] none of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances
 
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Thank you.

My pleasure.

No one, and especially not I, ever said there was a "sixth day sabbath" found in the Exodus 20:8-11. What I said was, that the commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) concerns the whole week (work/rest).

Good, because there is no such thing as a sixth day Sabbath.

This is correct. Thus, it was made for Adam the first (and all mankind in him) and for Jesus, the 2nd/last Adam (and all in Him). Wasn't it? He is the LORD of the Sabbath.

Of course.

It was for the service/ministry of man, not for his slavery. That is why it is "rest".

Rest for all, man and beast, the exile of the Jews into Babylon was partly over a Sabbath rest for God's land.

The land enjoyed its sabbath rests; all the time of its desolation it rested, until the seventy years were completed in fulfillment of the word of the LORD spoken by Jeremiah. (1 Chronicles 36:21)
It was more important then you think.

Thus is it eternally the memorial of the perfect creation.

I would say complete in all it's vast array, but agreed.

Indeed, "man" (Adam, thus even the "stranger") and "beast".

Adam is used synonymously with humanity just as Israel is used synonymously with the Jewish people in the Old Testament. That's because Adam was our first parent of humanity just like Israel, or Jacob, was the father of all of Israel.

Not from 'hard labour', but rest from common labour done on the other days of the week. Holy labor of love (charity, KJB, 1 Cor. 13) ministry, is always in harmony with the commandment (Exodus 20:8-11). Jesus said, Joh_5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

Ok, no issues.

Truly. Mark 2:27-28.

The commandment is love, as it is central to the chracter of God, who is love. This is always required. A man does not love God in spirit and in truth (hear and deed) unless they obey God in what He commands.

Ok, not problem but here we go.



You just erred and fulfilled Peter's concerns (as by the Holy Ghost), in

2Pe_3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

The wages of sin is death/destruction. Sin is the transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4; Exodus 20:1-17; Romans 7:7). Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil, sin:

1Jn_3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Paul himself wrote:

Php 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

Why are those that Paul is talking about, "enemies of the cross of Christ"? Because they want the name, but not the repentance. They refuse to come into obedience to God's Law, through God's grace, which is what the Ten Commandments start with:

Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Saved by Grace.

Followed by loving obedience, through faith in the salvation wrought in Christ Jesus:


Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

How many lawgivers?

Jas_4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Romans 14, the quick of it.

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

This is used to teach that God regards not any day as Holy, such as the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11), and that all days or no days may be kept at man's whim. Yet that is not what Romans 14 (and yea, all of Romans) teaches at all. Notice carefully,

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

Luk_16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] the words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] the words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] the words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] the entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] the words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] the words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] none of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances

I have no idea what you are talking about, is this some Seventh Day Adventist doctrine because that's the only explanation I can think of for it.
 
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Brother XYZ said; You just erred and fulfilled Peter's concerns (as by the Holy Ghost), in

2Pe_3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

The wages of sin is death/destruction. Sin is the transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4; Exodus 20:1-17; Romans 7:7). Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil, sin:

1Jn_3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Paul himself wrote:

Php 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

Why are those that Paul is talking about, "enemies of the cross of Christ"? Because they want the name, but not the repentance. They refuse to come into obedience to God's Law, through God's grace, which is what the Ten Commandments start with:

Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Saved by Grace.

Followed by loving obedience, through faith in the salvation wrought in Christ Jesus:


Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

How many lawgivers?

Jas_4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Romans 14, the quick of it.

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

This is used to teach that God regards not any day as Holy, such as the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11), and that all days or no days may be kept at man's whim. Yet that is not what Romans 14 (and yea, all of Romans) teaches at all. Notice carefully,

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

Luk_16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] the words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] the words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] the words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] the entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] the words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] the words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] none of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances

I have no idea what you are talking about, is this some Seventh Day Adventist doctrine because that's the only explanation I can think of for it.

Goodness Mark, it is God's WORD that has been shared with you and it shows in detail, that your interpretation of Romans 14:5 is faulty by looking at all the surrounding context in relation to the book of Romans and the rest of God's WORD. Take some time to pray and read it brother and receive the blessing God's Word through his Spirit wants to give to you.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
 
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... Rest for all, man and beast, the exile of the Jews into Babylon was partly over a Sabbath rest for God's land.

The land enjoyed its sabbath rests; all the time of its desolation it rested, until the seventy years were completed in fulfillment of the word of the LORD spoken by Jeremiah. (1 Chronicles 36:21)
It was more important then you think.

May I ask how you know what I "think", especially on 1 Chron. 36:21? The rest of the land is not the same as found in the commandment of Exodus 20:8-11.

I have no idea what you are talking about, is this some Seventh Day Adventist doctrine because that's the only explanation I can think of for it.

If you would not mind, let us not take part in Ad hominem's, strawmen, character assassinations, or attempts at poisoning the well, red herrings, bait and switching topics, etc.

I am simply asking you to go back and read Romans 14, and consider the things I have stated and compare to see if what I said was true or not true in each statement.

...Romans 14, the quick of it.

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

This is used to teach that God regards not any day as Holy, such as the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11), and that all days or no days may be kept at man's whim. Yet that is not what Romans 14 (and yea, all of Romans) teaches at all. Notice carefully,

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

Luk_16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] the words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] the words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] the words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] the entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] the words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] the words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] none of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances
 
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Goodness Mark, it is God's WORD that has been shared with you and it shows in detail, that your interpretation of Romans 14:5 is faulty by looking at all the surrounding context in relation to the book of Romans and the rest of God's WORD. Take some time to pray and read it brother and receive the blessing God's Word through his Spirit wants to give to you.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
I understand it perfectly, no special insight required. Your trying to find fredeem in service to a standard that testified to righteousness but cannot provide it. Good luck with that.
 
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I understand it perfectly, no special insight required. Your trying to find fredeem in service to a standard that testified to righteousness but cannot provide it. Good luck with that.

Sorry brother but the second half of post # 86 linked shows in detail why your interpretation of Romans 14:5 is not biblical. If you believe it is then please address the post and the sciptures in them that disagree with you.

Simply saying you understand Romans 14 perfectly when a post has been provided to you looking at all the context and scriptures that disagree with your interpretation of one verse does not make God's WORD dissappead.

This is sent only in love brother. Take the time prayerfully read the scriptures provided for you. It can only be a blessing to you.

You misunderstand that service to God is only the result of faith that work's by LOVE because we choose to believe and follow God's WORD because we love him who first loved us. We are not saved by service but service is a result of love *JOHN 14:15; 1 JOHN 4:19; ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
 
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Yes John is correct.

Now, where do any of those verses or chapters say the covenant is with Christians?

For example, Jeremiah 31:31-33 says “I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel & Judah”.

I don’t see where those verses say “I will make a new covenant with Christians”.

Even Hebrews confirms that the new covenant is with Israel & Judah, NOT Christians.

Maybe you posted those by mistake?
Who is the world?
Who are these other sheep?
And what fold is the one fold? It can't be this fold as mentioned.

Essentially you seem to claim to possess salvation one must become a Jew. I know of no passage indicating this. Could you kindly at least reference it for me?
 
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Thank you.

No one, and especially not I, ever said there was a "sixth day sabbath" found in the Exodus 20:8-11. What I said was, that the commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) concerns the whole week (work/rest).



This is correct. Thus, it was made for Adam the first (and all mankind in him) and for Jesus, the 2nd/last Adam (and all in Him). Wasn't it? He is the LORD of the Sabbath.

It was for the service/ministry of man, not for his slavery. That is why it is "rest".



Thus is it eternally the memorial of the perfect creation.



Indeed, "man" (Adam, thus even the "stranger") and "beast".

Not from 'hard labour', but rest from common labour done on the other days of the week. Holy labor of love (charity, KJB, 1 Cor. 13) ministry, is always in harmony with the commandment (Exodus 20:8-11). Jesus said, Joh_5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.



Truly. Mark 2:27-28.



The commandment is love, as it is central to the character of God, who is love. This is always required. A man does not love God in spirit and in truth (heart and deed) unless they obey God in what He commands.



You just erred and fulfilled Peter's concerns (as by the Holy Ghost), in

2Pe_3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

The wages of sin is death/destruction. Sin is the transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4; Exodus 20:1-17; Romans 7:7). Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil, sin:

1Jn_3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Paul himself wrote:

Php 3:18 (For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

Why are those that Paul is talking about, "enemies of the cross of Christ"? Because they want the name, but not the repentance. They refuse to come into obedience to God's Law, through God's grace, which is what the Ten Commandments start with:

Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

Saved by Grace.

Followed by loving obedience, through faith in the salvation wrought in Christ Jesus:


Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

How many lawgivers?

Jas_4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Romans 14, the quick of it.

Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.
Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.
Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.
Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.

This is used to teach that God regards not any day as Holy, such as the 7th Day the Sabbath of the LORD thy God (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11), and that all days or no days may be kept at man's whim. Yet that is not what Romans 14 (and yea, all of Romans) teaches at all. Notice carefully,

[1] the days spoken of are associated with eating/drinking, not eating/not drinking.

[2] the matter is over those 'weak' and 'strong' in faith concerning eating/drinking and days to do and not do those things on

[3] the context deals with "One man esteemeth", and not what God esteems (Isaiah 56:1-8, 58:13; Psalms 89:34) as permanent and so, and God's word is clear about what men esteem:

Luk_16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

The Jews continually argued over which were better days to do this thing or that thing, like fasting, feasting, etc: [Matthew 9:14; Mark 2:18; Luke 5:33, 18:12 KJB]

[4] the words for sabbath is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[5] the words of the seventh day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[6] the words for the Lord's day is not present in all of Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[7] Romans 14 is in the context of Romans 13, which directly cites the latter (2nd) table of the Ten Commandments, for love to neighbour, which is also found in Leviticus 19:17-18, in the context of sin and the Ten Commandments

[8] Romans 15 is the other end, and when combined with 1 Corinthians 8-10, the context is clear that the sabbath of the LORD thy God (Exodus 20:8-11) is not in view in the least, and is sustained by the rest of Paul in Romans by his statements on the eternal spiritual, holy, just and good Law (Exodus 20:1-17) of God, which identifies what sin is (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

[9] the entire context of Romans 14 is to do nothing (even if allowed normally, yet not under special circumstances) to cause others to sin:

Rom 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

[10] Paul never contradicts himself, and Paul's writings are scripture (2 Peter 3:16), and scripture cannot be broken, John 10:35) and does not teach transgression of God's Law (Exodus 20:1-17) at any point:

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Rom_7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

[11] the words for "law", "commandments" are never used in Romans 14

[12] Paul in numerous places lists and upholds every single one of the Ten Commandments in the NT, including the 4th Commandment (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11) in Hebrews 3-4, etc.

[13] Romans 14 is about excluding those things which were "doubful disputations", and not a single one of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1-17) were ever doubtful or to be disputed in any place in all of scripture (KJB), for the Commandment of God are "sure" (Psalms 111:7).

[14] the words for "covenant/testament" are never used in Romans 14

[15] the words for 'first [day] of the week' are never used in Romans 14, neither in all of Romans

[16] none of the 'Sunday' (first [day] of the week) churches use Romans 14 to teach that I may ignore the day they gather on, even though that day is not sanctified by God in any way what so ever in scripture (KJB), and is never called "the Lord's day" in scripture, neither is it "the seventh day the sabbath of the LORD thy God".

[17] nobody uses Romans 14 to teach I can simply stop eating/drinking on every day

[18] anyone who quotes Romans 14, has in mind 'restrictions', rather than allowances
Do you regard any day as holy? If you do then Romans applies to that day. Therefore it specifically means the sabbath.
 
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Do you regard any day as holy? If you do then Romans applies to that day. Therefore it specifically means the sabbath.

Romans 14:5 is not speaking of Holy days. It is talking about days that men esteems. Not what days God esteem. Your trying to read into the scriptures something that it is not saying. There is no reference to God's 4th commandment in all the book of Romans.

If you disagree please respond to the second half of post # 86 linked that shows in detail why your interpretation of Romans 14:5 is not biblical.
 
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Not really brother you just posted you did not believe the scripture provided to you that show God's ISRAEL are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. Gentiles are now grafted in to God's ISRAEL *ROMANS 11:13-27. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the new covenant *HEBREWS 8:10-12.
Once again Romans doesn't say what you want it to say. Maybe that's why you didn't quote it.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

So the rest of your post means nothing until you deal directly with the underlined bolded words.
 
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Once again Romans doesn't say what you want it to say. Maybe that's why you didn't quote it.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

So the rest of your post means nothing until you deal directly with the underlined bolded words.

Actually it does maybe you missed it...

ROMANS 11:17, And if some of the branches be broken off [ISRAEL], and you [GENTILES], being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them partake of the root and fatness of the olive tree.

Who were the branches that were broken off?

[18], Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bore not the root, but the root you. [19], You will say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. [20], Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not high minded, but fear: [21], For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not you.

[23], And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be grafted in: for God is able to graft them in again.
[24], For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

Who are the natural branches brother that were broken off because of their UNBELIEF in God's WORD that can be grafted back in through BELIEVING God's WORD?

[25], For I would not, brothers, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.

ROMANS 11 is talking about being grafted into CHRIST the ROOT. GOD'S ISRAEL ARE the BRANCHES. SOME where broken off because of their UNBELIEF.
 
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Romans 14:5 is not speaking of Holy days. It is talking about days that men esteems. Not what days God esteem. Your trying to read into the scriptures something that it is not saying. There is no reference to God's 4th commandment in all the book of Romans.
Do you esteem one day above another? Do you call it a holy day? What ever day you might esteem above another is the day Paul is talking about.
 
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Do you esteem one day above another? Do you call it a holy day? What ever day you might esteem above another is the day Paul is talking about.

Where in Romans 14 is it talking about holy days and the Sabbath? You are trying to read into the scriptures something it is not talking about.

Romans 14:5 is not speaking of Holy days. It is talking about days that men esteems. Not what days God esteem. Your trying to read into the scriptures something that it is not saying. There is no reference to God's 4th commandment in all the book of Romans.

If you disagree please respond to the second half of post # 86 linked that shows in detail why your interpretation of Romans 14:5 is not biblical.
 
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BUMP re-post maybe you missed it....

Romans 14:5 is not speaking of Holy days. It is talking about days that men esteems. Not what days God esteem. Your trying to read into the scriptures something that it is not saying. There is no reference to God's 4th commandment in all the book of Romans.

If you disagree please respond to the second half of post # 86 linked that shows in detail why your interpretation of Romans 14:5 is not biblical.
I looked at and read your post. You choose to avoid the issue on legal grounds that the word sabbath doesn't appear. Do you esteem any day above another?
 
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I looked at and read your post. You choose to avoid the issue on legal grounds that the word sabbath doesn't appear. Do you esteem any day above another?

Not really brother you trying to make a case that Romans 14 is talking about the Sabbath when the Sabbath is not even mentioned neither holy days in the whole book of Romans. If Romans 14 is not talking about the Sabbath why pretend that it is?

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Romans 14:5 is not speaking of Holy days. It is talking about days that men esteem. Not what days God esteems. Your trying to read into the scriptures something that it is not saying. There is no reference to God's 4th commandment in all the book of Romans.

If you disagree please respond to the second half of post # 86 linked that shows in detail why your interpretation of Romans 14:5 is not biblical.
 
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