Was 1948 the Regathering of Israel in Bible Prophecy?

[BABerean2]

Super easy question. Next?

This was the next question.
Did you fail to see it???


Why did James address his letter to "the twelve tribes", who were his "brethren" in "faith"?

Jas 1:1 James, a bondservant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad: Greetings.
Jas 1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when you fall into various trials,
Jas 1:3 knowing that the testing of your faith produces patience.

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[Calminian]

Then Peter must have been very confused on the Day of Pentecost in the verse below...

Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."

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You're very confused, or purposely obfuscating. You're conflating Israel scattered and Israel gathered. Israel is what we call the descendants of Jacob. They are Israel's descendants. This issue here is their national statehood.

Either you're denying Israel was ever scattered or perhaps denying they were gathered in 1948? Hopefully you're not saying that.

But I guarantee you Peter wasn't denying Israel had been scattered and lost their sovereignty and statehood.

 

[BABerean2]

Israel is what we call the descendants of Jacob. They are Israel's descendants. This issue here is their national statehood.

Because many of those from the Northern Tribes were taken into captivity long before the time of Christ and their descendants have spread far and wide on this planet, many people have Jacob's DNA, even those who many would consider "Gentiles".
During the time of Christ the Samaritans were considered low-life, half-breeds by many of the Jews.

The most important genealogy in the Bible is found below, and confirmed by the Apostle Paul in Galatians 3:16.

Mat 1:1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:


The Apostle Paul made it plain that we are not to use genealogies in our faith, as you are attempting to do.

1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

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[Calminian]

Because many of those from the Northern Tribes were taken into captivity long before the time of Christ and their descendants have spread far and wide on this planet, many people have Jacob's DNA, even those who many would consider "Gentiles".
During the time of Christ the Samaritans were considered low-life, half-breeds by many of the Jews.

The most important genealogy in the Bible is found below, and confirmed by the Apostle Paul in Galatians 3:16.

Mat 1:1 The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:


The Apostle Paul made it plain that we are not to use genealogies in our faith, as you are attempting to do.

1Ti_1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.


Tit_3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

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Oh, now I get where you're coming from. You actually deny that there are any ethnic jews today. That's very sad. It's a prevailing form of antisemitism.

 

[BABerean2]

Oh, now I get where you're coming from. You actually deny that there are any ethnic jews today. That's very sad. It's a prevailing form of antisemitism.

Do you think Paul thought it is sad, based on Titus 3:9.

How much of Jacob's DNA does a person need to pass you "ethnic jew" test.

Speaking the truth about modern DNA studies would not be "antisemitism".
Both ethnic Arabs and ethnic Jews are "Semitic" peoples.
Since some Jews converted to Islam, hundreds of years ago, some modern Moslems are also Jacob's descendants.
Many of the Christians in the middle east are from Arab ethnicity.

Sammy Davis Jr. was a man of African heritage who was an Orthodox Jew.

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[Calminian]

Do you think Paul thought it is sad, based on Titus 3:9.

How much of Jacob's DNA does a person need to pass you "ethnic jew" test.

Speaking the truth about modern DNA studies would not be "antisemitism".
Both ethnic Arabs and ethnic Jews are "Semitic" peoples.
Since some Jews converted to Islam, hundreds of years ago, some modern Moslems are also Jacob's descendants.
Many of the Christians in the middle east are from Arab ethnicity.

Sammy Davis Jr. was a man of African heritage who was an Orthodox Jew.

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One word. Wow!

But instructive. The vision of the woman (Israel) in Revelation explains this kind of antisemitism. The Dragon despised the woman, even after she gave birth to the Messiah. He desires to kill her and spreads evil hate toward the nation of Israel. But God has not and will not forget the nation of Israel.

Rev. 12:1 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.

Rev. 12:3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. 4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. 5 She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. 6 Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

Rev. 12:7 And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev. 12:10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

Rev. 12:13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.​

 

[jgr]

You're very confused, or purposely obfuscating. You're conflating Israel scattered and Israel gathered. Israel is what we call the descendants of Jacob. They are Israel's descendants. This issue here is their national statehood.

Either you're denying Israel was ever scattered or perhaps denying they were gathered in 1948? Hopefully you're not saying that.

But I guarantee you Peter wasn't denying Israel had been scattered and lost their sovereignty and statehood.

Here was Israel from the beginning of covenant history:

Genesis 17
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

It was comprised of all who complied with God's covenant requirements irrespective of ethnicity. Those requirements have always translated into faith and obedience.

Here is Israel today. Its DNA is ubiquitous in every individual on earth, a reality scientifically confirmable in both genetics and mathematics.

The Jewish community itself recognizes, applauds, and promotes this reality. Notice that the source of most of the information below is that same Jewish community.

If Israel's DNA is ubiquitous in the human race, what does that leave as God's selection criteria for His Chosen People?

The same as it always has from the very beginning.

Faith and obedience.

Nothing else.

Spiritual DNA.


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https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Example of the mathematical confirmation of ancestral genetic ubiquity

 

[Danoh]

You're very confused, or purposely obfuscating. You're conflating Israel scattered and Israel gathered. Israel is what we call the descendants of Jacob. They are Israel's descendants. This issue here is their national statehood.

Either you're denying Israel was ever scattered or perhaps denying they were gathered in 1948? Hopefully you're not saying that.

But I guarantee you Peter wasn't denying Israel had been scattered and lost their o9sovereignty and statehood.

Not to mention that Peter in Acts 3 refers to all the house of Israel as "men and brethren," a common use of that among various people, back then.

In Peter's case, because they were fellow Israelites.

It is not always a reference to fellow Believers...

Luke 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

There it refers to kinfolk and friends.

Acts 1:16 Men and brethren, this scripture must needs have been fulfilled, which the Holy Ghost by the mouth of David spake before concerning Judas, which was guide to them that took Jesus.

What, are they already saved?

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

Again, the same question.

Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

What are they already saved?

Acts 3:17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.

Again, the same question.

But Biblewriter has already exposed the very basis of the guy's many errors...

Edward Irving;s Historicism

 

[Calminian]

Here was Israel from the beginning of covenant history:

Genesis 17
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

It was comprised of all who complied with God's covenant requirements irrespective of ethnicity. Those requirements have always translated into faith and obedience.

Here is Israel today. Its DNA is ubiquitous in every individual on earth, a reality scientifically confirmable in both genetics and mathematics.

The Jewish community itself recognizes, applauds, and promotes this reality. Notice that the source of most of the information below is that same Jewish community.

If Israel's DNA is ubiquitous in the human race, what does that leave as God's selection criteria for His Chosen People?

The same as it always has from the very beginning.

Faith and obedience.

Nothing else.

Spiritual DNA.


Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places
Jewish-Roots Arabs in Israel
Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Example of the mathematical confirmation of ancestral genetic ubiquity

So then what do you make of Luke referring distinctly to Jews and God-Fearing Gentiles. Are they distinct or the same?

 

[Calminian]

Here was Israel from the beginning of covenant history:

Genesis 17
12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed.

It was comprised of all who complied with God's covenant requirements irrespective of ethnicity. Those requirements have always translated into faith and obedience.

Here is Israel today. Its DNA is ubiquitous in every individual on earth, a reality scientifically confirmable in both genetics and mathematics.

The Jewish community itself recognizes, applauds, and promotes this reality. Notice that the source of most of the information below is that same Jewish community.

If Israel's DNA is ubiquitous in the human race, what does that leave as God's selection criteria for His Chosen People?

The same as it always has from the very beginning.

Faith and obedience.

Nothing else.

Spiritual DNA.


Abraham lineage
DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?
Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places
Jewish-Roots Arabs in Israel
Tracing the lost tribes to Jewish communities in Africa
Nigeria's Igbo Jews: 'Lost tribe' of Israel? - CNN
http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/...-africa-has-jewish-roots-genetic-tests-reveal
https://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/...her-claims-proof-of-tribe-of-Ephraim-in-India
https://www.jta.org/2013/05/23/life...bush-bani-israel-tribe-claims-jewish-heritage

Example of the mathematical confirmation of ancestral genetic ubiquity

So what do you make of Israel today? Are they Israel?

 

[jgr]

So then what do you make of Luke referring distinctly to Jews and God-Fearing Gentiles. Are they distinct or the same?

He was distinguishing by religion, evidenced by his reference to "God-fearing" Gentiles.

 

[jgr]

So what do you make of Israel today? Are they Israel?

As the Jewish community itself tells us, they are distinguishable by religion and/or culture.

But not by DNA.

 

[Calminian]

As the Jewish community itself tells us, they are distinguishable by religion and/or culture.

But not by DNA.

So, then, is modern Israel, Israel?

 

[jgr]

So, then, is modern Israel, Israel?

Define "Israel".

 

[ToServe]

So then what do you make of Luke referring distinctly to Jews and God-Fearing Gentiles. Are they distinct or the same?

The context of Situation before the fall of Jerusalem and before the dispersion of ethnic Jews meant that Jews as a nation could be distinguishable from Gentiles by the nation that existed at that given context of the situation and context of time. Once the Jews were dispersed and mixed into the nations, they no longer became ethnic in term of the nation Israel, but rather future generational sons took on the DNA of the nations they were dispersed in and in this regard ethnicity no longer is what is the distinguishable factor but as the following poster said religion and/or culture became the common integration theme -

As the Jewish community itself tells us, they are distinguishable by religion and/or culture.

But not by DNA.

So what do you make of Israel today? Are they Israel?

I believe that Israel today is born out of an ideology and not out of a nation that has any associated DNA links to Israel of the disciples time. It is a totally different animal and the founders of today's State are ideologists who sought to give life to the Greater Israel Ideology, no different to ideologies of various political parties who have throughout history tried to resurrect a cause based on those ideologies. So when I say ideology, I mean a political cause is the foundation and the backbone of the movement and not any inherent DNA that would establish the entity as a nation.

So, then, is modern Israel, Israel?

Israel today is a political State born from an ideology manufactured by founders in the likes of David Ben-Gurion. The concept of a politically driven nation-state is not uncommon amongst many driving factors that would lead to the inception of a State for the Ideology, in that the Ideology will not survive without a State and so forth and this concept is not biblical but political and recent by the founding fathers who like Hitler wanted a Greater Israel Utopia for their geopolitical ambitions to rule the world through politically motivated agendas that don't care for ethnicity but is centred along a manufactured race that is contrived from the recent ideological concepts of its founders. The concepts that give a basis for the Ideology is drawn from mythologizing references to its cause and in this regard, the nation-state mythologizes the biblical accounts in order to give it veracity.

From Wikipedia -

The Nazi official Alfred Rosenberg believed that the Nordic race was descended from Proto-Aryans, who he believed had prehistorically dwelt on the North German Plain and who had ultimately originated from the lost continent of Atlantis.[1]

 

[jgr]

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[ToServe]

Post retracted for another thread topic.

 

[jgr]

This is all addressed in my posts. There are not two Israels there is the Church (believing Jews and Gentiles) and the nation of Israel (believing remnant, and unbelievers). That's what Paul and John believed.

No verses you list are incompatible with that.

And just out of curiosity, do you believe the woman giving birth in Revelation is the Church?

Better exhume Paul and discuss this with him. He says that there are two Israels, believers (the remnant comprising the Jewish portion of the early Church); and unbelievers.

You can't both be right.

The woman could represent the early Judean church, or the mother of Jesus.

 

[BABerean2]

One word. Wow!

But instructive. The vision of the woman (Israel) in Revelation explains this kind of antisemitism.

When a Dispensationalist is loosing the argument over the validity of his Two Peoples of God doctrine, which John Nelson Darby brought to America about the time of the Civil War, he can always throw the charge of "antisemitism" at the opposition.
Do you think the Apostle Paul was an antisemite?

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh;
Rom 2:29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.

Php_3:2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.


Do you think Satan is still in heaven in the presence of God, and Christ, and the souls of our dead Brothers and Sisters?

Did you notice the birth and death of the "man-child" in Revelation 12?
This shows the beginning of Revelation chapter 12 to be a history lesson, which includes the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ.

Did you notice "the time of the judgment of the dead" right after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible in Revelation 11:15-18?

Because Christ returns in Revelation 16:15-16, and also in chapter 19, we know the book is not in chronological order.

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[ToServe]

Zionism political ideology at its core is antisemitic. It exhibits hatred and violance to 99.99% of Semitic people who are not idiologically connected to its cause.