Was King David Saved While He Committed His Sins of Adultery and Murder?

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I have already been set free by the Truth, but thank you my friend

So you prefer to see whatever truth you desire to see. No more need to see any more truth? That sounds like you want to see only what you want to see and it does not like sound like want the real truth.

 

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So you prefer to see whatever truth you desire to see. No more need to see any more truth? That sounds like you want to see only what you want to see and it does not like sound like want the real truth.

The same could be said for you.

Interestingly, we are more at peace and in love as Christ commanded. OSAS proponents live in the peace Christ said He gives.

Maybe that is something for pondering

 

[DeeR.]

So you prefer to see whatever truth you desire to see. No more need to see any more truth? That sounds like you want to see only what you want to see and it does not like sound like want the real truth.

Thank you for your judgement God bless you.

 

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Thank you for your judgement God bless you.

I do not say it out of any malice or hate, brother; But only out of love. Jesus said we can judge righteously. In fact, it is impossible to have a standard of morality (i.e. to hold to a set values of right and wrong) and not judge. If a Christian says they can watch porn and still be saved under God's grace, I would say that the Bible clearly condemns this (See Matthew 5:28-30).

Truth is not our enemy. Scripture says God's people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. So it would not be good for me, you, or anyone else out there to only see what we desire to see. We should be willing to seek out even more Truth and not think we have all the Truth we could ever need. God communicated many things within His Word for us. For me personally, there is so much for me to still learn in His Word. More truth. I hunger and thirst for more of the truth in His Word. This is what I am talking about, brother. You should naturally want to seek out more Truth. That is what some of those links will show you.

May God's goodness shine upon you today.

 

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The same could be said for you.

Interestingly, we are more at peace and in love as Christ commanded. OSAS proponents live in the peace Christ said He gives.

Maybe that is something for pondering

Biblical Conditional Security Proponents can also live in peace (or a rest in God's grace), as well. When we first come to God in genuine repentance (i.e. seeking His forgiveness with the intent of forsaking sin), we have His rest. If we happen to mess up (not that it is a certainty that a believer will mess up), we have His grace to overcome sin, and not as a license to sin. 1 John 2:5 talks about how we can perfect love when we keep His Word. For keeping His Word is the way we can know that we are in Him.

These kinds of Christians (as described in the Bible) believe, and have put into action verses like: 1 Corinthians 10:13, Romans 8:3-4, Galatians 5:16, Romans 13:14. Believers can overcome grievous sin: 1 Peter 4:1-2. The goal in this life to cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit in this life perfecting holiness in the fear of GOD (See 2 Corinthians 7:1).

The reason why Christ died for us was to make us holy, blameless (Ephesians 5:25-27) and zealous of good works (Titus 2:14).

 

[DeeR.]

I do not say it out of any malice or hate, brother; But only out of love. Jesus said we can judge righteously. In fact, it is impossible to have a standard of morality (i.e. to hold to a set values of right and wrong) and not judge. If a Christian says they can watch porn and still be saved under God's grace, I would say that the Bible clearly condemns this (See Matthew 5:28-30).

Truth is not our enemy. Scripture says God's people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. So it would not be good for me, you, or anyone else out there to only see what we desire to see. We should be willing to seek out even more Truth and not think we have all the Truth we could ever need. God communicated many things within His Word for us. For me personally, there is so much for me to still learn in His Word. More truth. I hunger and thirst for more of the truth in His Word. This is what I am talking about, brother. You should naturally want to seek out more Truth. That is what some of those links will show you.

May God's goodness shine upon you today.

Please stop calling me brother. Dee is not a brother's name. I seek out the Truth which is the Living Word of God. If you would slow down for a minute you would realize that it is not truth or information I have been rejecting, but your spirit. Just because someone rejects what you say doesn't mean they reject God. Even the devil can quote scripture to you that doesn't mean if you reject it you reject God. You are not the key figure in God's Word or the necessity. Just because the scripture has examples of Jesus saying if they don't receive your message shake the dust off of your feet doesn't mean the messenger is Paul or Peter. It was the 'you' that was added into the equation that was missing the mark. we all feel we are being perfect in submission humility and delivery, but we do not often see ourselves as we ought to. I believe you are sincere, but you added things in that were not from God, unintentional as they may be. Stop thinking that when you speak/write scripture people are obligated to accept you and you are perfectly giving God to them and to refuse you is to refuse God... it is prideful and disturbing. As I said maybe you are sincere and not aware, it just needs tempering.

 

[DeeR.]

Biblical Conditional Security Proponents can also live in peace (or a rest in God's grace), as well. When we first come to God in genuine repentance (i.e. seeking His forgiveness with the intent of forsaking sin), we have His rest. If we happen to mess up (not that it is a certainty that a believer will mess up), we have His grace to overcome sin, and not as a license to sin. 1 John 2:5 talks about how we can perfect love when we keep His Word. For keeping His Word is the way we can know that we are in Him.

These kinds of Christians (as described in the Bible) believe, and have put into action verses like: 1 Corinthians 10:13, Romans 8:3-4, Galatians 5:16, Romans 13:14. Believers can overcome grievous sin: 1 Peter 4:1-2. The goal in this life to cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit in this life perfecting holiness in the fear of GOD (See 2 Corinthians 7:1).

The reason why Christ died for us was to make us holy, blameless (Ephesians 5:25-27) and zealous of good works (Titus 2:14).

I am on a forum and been a Christian for over 20+ years I do not mind discussing or even debating on these matters, however, I am not obligated to you or to anyone above God. You are not right in labeling people unless they say hey I want to be known by this label. to label someone throws them into many beliefs they may not necessarily agree with or even understand. If you think any 2 people can be labeled under the exact same label you have not understood how different people are. Even if someone says they believe once someone is Born Again they will be kept by God until the end, as the scripture says, doesn't mean they are of a group that labels themselves 'OSAS' The people are telling you that they believe and do not dismiss the scriptures and teachings that say these things. If you want to have a discussion do not assume you know any 2 peoples beliefs and throw them under your label of study. Address the scriptures they believe gently while wanting to Understand them as individuals ( not I already know what you all believe). I have known very very few people calling themselves Christian who believe that Jesus will keep them in Him and that is a license to sin and do no work.... who on this site even believes that??

 

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Well I read them and in the first one the links didn't work.

My apologies about the audio files that did not work for you. Some of the audio files (not all) are broken in the first link. In the first link, the audio files that are WMA, or MP3 do not work anymore on a standard VLC player. I have not tried other players to check to see if they work.

The Real Video Player audio files (Which is the majority of audio files in that link) should all work just fine. I just checked two of them and they worked.

Not a doctrinal discussion in any of them which tells me why you liked them.

Morality is something that is basic and should not have to be taught to a person.
Most today have lost their way when it comes to doing right and wrong.
Jesus says when He returns, will he find faith on the Earth?
In the last days perilous times will come, and there are going to be those who have a FORM of godliness, but they deny the power thereof (2 Timothy 3:1-9). What power are they denying? This power right here: 1 Corinthians 10:13, Romans 8:3-4, Galatians 5:16, Romans 13:14. Believers can overcome grievous sin: 1 Peter 4:1-2. The goal in this life to cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit in this life perfecting holiness in the fear of GOD (See 2 Corinthians 7:1).

I'm still wondering what the Pastor King link has to do with anything. Talk about going off topic, you have your nerve.

I am willing to indulge a temporary divergence of topic to answer somebody. That to me is not derailing the train of the thread to temporarily talk about something else briefly. Remember, I did talk about your off topic passage (Hebrews 6:4-6). But when you kept pushing to talk about it here, when I asked you to stop (Is being unkind and disrespectful). Sure, we have all accidentally went off topic before. But the point here is not to continue in an off topic discussion if the person who created the thread is asking you to stop talking about something they feel is off topic to their thread. It is just being kind and loving to the thread they created and what they wanted to talk about.

If you want to understand what Pastor King link is about, go ahead and read the thread, my friend.

Anyways, may God's love shine upon you today.

 

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Please stop calling me brother. Dee is not a brother's name.

First, you did not list yourself as either male or female in your profile. Second, there is no way for me to know that "Dee" was your first name. Folks here use the capitalization as more of a suggestion and not as a proper form of grammar when it comes to usernames. Three, "Dee" is also not a common name for me growing up. I don't know anyone personally named "Dee." Also, there is a famous actor whose middle name is Dee (Billy Dee Williams). So please do not beat me up over something I could not possibly know.

I seek out the Truth which is the Living Word of God. If you would slow down for a minute you would realize that it is not truth or information I have been rejecting, but your spirit. Just because someone rejects what you say doesn't mean they reject God. Even the devil can quote scripture to you that doesn't mean if you reject it you reject God.

Do you believe in Sola Scriptura? That the Bible and the Bible alone is our sole authority for spiritual matters? Yes, I believe God does talk to us, but it should be in line with His Word. If it is not in line with His Word, then it is not of God.

As for the enemy quoting Scripture:
He misquoted it to his own advantage like many today still do.

You are not the key figure in God's Word or the necessity. Just because the scripture has examples of Jesus saying if they don't receive your message shake the dust off of your feet doesn't mean the messenger is Paul or Peter. It was the 'you' that was added into the equation that was missing the mark. we all feel we are being perfect in submission humility and delivery, but we do not often see ourselves as we ought to.

There are some commands in God's Word that were meant for just specific individuals and there are commands that are meant for believers today. Prayer, basic logic, and wisdom from God is key to figuring that out. I am doing a study on God's commands in the New Testament (not the Old because we are not under the Old Law). So far, it has been a very fruitful study. The sad thing is that it makes me think that most Christians do not even seem to care about seeking to find out what these actual commands are. They just focus on his grace, and not on seeking to make Jesus their Lord and Master. Instead, they are their own masters.

I believe you are sincere, but you added things in that were not from God, unintentional as they may be. Stop thinking that when you speak/write scripture people are obligated to accept you and you are perfectly giving God to them and to refuse you is to refuse God... it is prideful and disturbing. As I said maybe you are sincere and not aware, it just needs tempering.

Not sure what you are talking about. If you feel I have interpreted God's Word wrongfully, please prove your case with the Bible using the context and cross references.

 

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I am on a forum and been a Christian for over 20+ years I do not mind discussing or even debating on these matters, however, I am not obligated to you or to anyone above God. You are not right in labeling people unless they say hey I want to be known by this label. to label someone throws them into many beliefs they may not necessarily agree with or even understand. If you think any 2 people can be labeled under the exact same label you have not understood how different people are. Even if someone says they believe once someone is Born Again they will be kept by God until the end, as the scripture says, doesn't mean they are of a group that labels themselves 'OSAS' The people are telling you that they believe and do not dismiss the scriptures and teachings that say these things. If you want to have a discussion do not assume you know any 2 peoples beliefs and throw them under your label of study. Address the scriptures they believe gently while wanting to Understand them as individuals ( not I already know what you all believe). I have known very very few people calling themselves Christian who believe that Jesus will keep them in Him and that is a license to sin and do no work.... who on this site even believes that??

Many. For they say King David was saved in his sins of adultery and murder. If that is the case, then that means they are saying to other people that are Christian can also be like a King David and be saved while they do such sins, too (As long as they confess of it later). Granted, I am not saying a Christian cannot be forgiven of these sins. But I believe the Bible teaches that forgiveness does not happen until we confess (See 1 John 1:9). They believe they still have forgiveness if they abide in certain sins because they believe future sins are forgiven them by having a belief on Jesus. Many here will say Romans 3:10 and Romans 3:23 are talking about the present walk of the believer (But they do so at the expense of Romans 3:11). They admit that they are still in sin (of some kind) and that is why we need a Savior. Sure, many of them will say they strive to overcome sin, but that is just a deflection or smoke screen diversion. They do not believe they can actually stop committing grievous sin in this life (Despite Scripture saying so, see: 1 Corinthians 10:13, Galatians 5:16, Galatians 5:24, Romans 13:14, Romans 8:13, 2 Peter 4:1-2, 2 Corinthians 7:1).

Yes, we all need the Savior. Jesus. He is the entrance. He is the foundation. But it is also true, that without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14).

 

[DeeR.]

First, you did not list yourself as either male or female in your profile. Second, there is no way for me to know that "Dee" was your first name. Folks here use the capitalization as more of a suggestion and not as a proper form of grammar. Three, "Dee" is also not a common name for me growing up. I don't know anyone personally named "Dee." Also, there is a famous actor whose middle name is Dee (Billy Dee Williams). So please do not beat me up over something I could not possibly know.



Do you believe in Sola Scriptura? That the Bible and the Bible alone is our sole authority for spiritual matters? Yes, I believe God does talk to us, but it should be in line with His Word. If it is not in line with His Word, then it is not of God.

As for the enemy quoting Scripture:
He misquoted it to his own advantage like many today still do.



There are some commands in God's Word that were meant for just specific individuals and there are commands that are meant for believers today. Prayer, basic logic, and wisdom from God is key to figuring that out. I am doing a study on God's commands in the New Testament (not the Old because we are not under the Old Law). So far, it has been a very fruitful study. The sad thing is that it makes me think that most Christians do not even seem to care about seeking to find out what these actual commands are. They just focus on his grace, and not on seeking to make Jesus their Lord and Master. Instead, they are their own masters.



Not sure what you are talking about. If you feel I have interpreted God's Word wrongfully, please prove your case with the Bible using the context and cross references.

I am not beating you up, do not go to extremes to express a point please. Dee is often a nickname shortened. Billy Dee is a nick name He is Billy December , Dee being the letter 'D' for his last name. Dee as a first name would be Deanna or such , but that was not my point.... why do you automatically call someone a brother that doesn't have a name listed as you say... just saying... you said you know i listed no gender but chose to call me one anyway, I am just confused about the reasoning.
Moving on, I am not here to prove anything at all. The Spirit must convict someone of truth not a debate. Christian debating in the sense of proving a matter of scripture or God's will is confused with the world's way of debating by logic reasoning and such... God makes it clear that His message comes by revelation from the Spirit and no matter how wise we are or how well we present the word, only He can show someone. I have made specific points to you about specific matters and you do not hear the point.... We who are His have the Holy Spirit to convict us of all things.... if an unbeliever were to come up and point something out to you would you say I can not understand you because you are not speaking with scriptures? If you slapped someone what would you say if another came to you and said hey that is wrong... would you say if you don't quote me a scripture or tell me with scripture I can not understand you?
I told you multiple times what the problems are but you act as though you are in a human court... I am disappointed that we can not speak as adults and you fall back on that. You are labeling people and assuming things about them that you have no way of knowing as i said early on. Look it up.

 

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I am not beating you up, do not go to extremes to express a point please. Dee is often a nickname shortened. Billy Dee is a nick name He is Billy December , Dee being the letter 'D' for his last name. Dee as a first name would be Deana or such , but that was not my point.... why do you automatically call someone a brother that doesn't have a name listed as you say... just saying... you said you know i listed no gender but chose to call me one anyway, I am just confused about the reasoning.
Moving on, I am not here to prove anything at all. The Spirit must convict someone of truth not a debate. Christian debating in the sense of proving a matter of scripture or God's will is confused with the world's way of debating by logic reasoning and such... God makes it clear that His message comes by revelation from the Spirit and no matter how wise we are or how well we present the word, only He can show someone. I have made specific points to you about specific matters and you do not hear the point.... We who are His have the Holy Spirit to convict us of all things.... if an unbeliever were to come up and point something out to you would you say I can not understand you because you are not speaking with scriptures? If you slapped someone what would you say if another came to you and said hey that is wrong... would you say if you don't quote me a scripture or tell me with scripture I can not understand you?
I told you multiple times what the problems are but you act as though you are in a human court... I am disappointed that we can not speak as adults and you fall back on that. You are labeling people and assuming things about them that you have no way of knowing as i said early on. Look it up.

If you cannot sympathize with me having no possible way of knowing your first name (because I am not God), then I think it is best to let you be for the time being.

May God bless you;
And I hope your day goes well.

 

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I cannot and will not ever tell anyone, ever, if they are still in, or ever were, or "whatever", or are, or are not, in a "saved state" while they are in, or are right in the very act of, even of committing or doing a certain sin, or kind of sin, a sin they full well know is sin... I will not tell them they are "not in saved state" (still or ever), or that God has left them (or was never with them, will not remain with them, ect, whatever) or that God is not with them, even in the very act(s) of doing sin(s)...

I refuse to tell them that, cause I do think I know or can judge in that or those matters...

However David was "saved" and always saved, cause God knew he would be, or end up, or wind up "saved", in the end...

But, as me, I cannot say or have no right in these matters, this is why we must be comforters, an gentle counselors in and with other people who are overtaken in a sin, or are in a great state of mourning (over) it at the time and we are with them...

It's called "Love", free from dealing out death and judgement, or shame, guilt and condemnation... For that (the latter) will not further the Kingdom of God or Christ in any way, and will actually work against it... And you will actually be enemies of God...

God Bless!

Here are the verses that show that King David was not saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder. You are free to discuss these verses (if you like).

#1. Numbers 35:16-18 says it only takes on act of murder to be a murderer; And Leviticus 20:10 says it only takes on act of adultery to be an adulterer.

#2. Jesus Himself regarded just looking at woman once as an act of adultery (Matthew 5:28).

#3. John says, "No murderer has eternal life abiding in them." (1 John 3:15).

#4. Proverbs 6:32 says "Whosoever commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding: he that does it destroys his own soul."

#5. Jesus Himself says that just looking at a woman in lust (Which is adultery) is potential for a person to be cast bodily in hell fire (See Matthew 5:28-30).

#6. David needed to confess of his sin in order to be forgiven (See Psalms 51).

#7. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

#8. Revelation 21:8 says, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Murderers and whoremongers will be cast into the lake of fire. All liars will be cast into the lake of fire. ALL liars, and not just some. NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them (1 John 3:15).

If you don't have any comment to these verses, then I am afraid there is nothing really to say unless you believe you have another set of verses that explains them or puts them into proper perspective.

 

[DeeR.]

Do you believe God exists in all points in time?
If so, then He technically could not have rested (stopped from His work) on the 7th day because He would still be working in some other point in time.

Scripture says,
"But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;" (Hebrews 10:12).

If God exists in all points in time, then He could not have offered one sacrifice for sins forever but He would still be reliving that sacrifice in some past time line over and over and over and over again.

Is God a slave to time?

God created time... this implies He is over time and beyond time since time did not exist until He made it. It was made for creation and has a beginning and an end. God can operate both inside and outside of time because He created it and is omnipresent omnipotent and omniscient

 

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If God exists in all points in time, then that means God did not actually stop from His work on the 7th day because He would still be working in some other timeline (like the 6 day creation). If God exists in all points in time (like in the past even): This would also mean Jesus is still being re-sacrificed as we speak over and over and over again. But the Scriptures say this:

"But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;" (Hebrews 10:12).

Jesus offered ONE sacrifice for sins forever!
This is only one time.
Jesus (who is GOD) is still not offering this sacrifice over and over in some past time line. So the notion that God exists in all points in time is simply not true. God is simply aware of every possibility and He is aware of every detail in life that is going to happen.

 

[DeeR.]

Here are the verses that show that King David was not saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder. You are free to discuss these verses (if you like).

#1. Numbers 35:16-18 says it only takes on act of murder to be a murderer; And Leviticus 20:10 says it only takes on act of adultery to be an adulterer.

#2. Jesus Himself regarded just looking at woman once as an act of adultery (Matthew 5:28).

#3. John says, "No murderer has eternal life abiding in them." (1 John 3:15).

#4. Proverbs 6:32 says "Whosoever commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding: he that does it destroys his own soul."

#5. Jesus Himself says that just looking at a woman in lust (Which is adultery) is potential for a person to be cast bodily in hell fire (See Matthew 5:28-30).

#6. David needed to confess of his sin in order to be forgiven (See Psalms 51).

#7. 1 John 1:9 says if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

#8. Revelation 21:8 says, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Murderers and whoremongers will be cast into the lake of fire. All liars will be cast into the lake of fire. ALL liars, and not just some. NO murderer has eternal life abiding in them (1 John 3:15).

If you don't have any comment to these verses, then I am afraid there is nothing really to say unless you believe you have another set of verses that explains them or puts them into proper perspective.

The one thing that is confusing you in all of these scriptures is this : Those who are born again are not under law but under grace and if they are truly born again they Will Overcome all of these things... Because we have sinned are we therefore Sinners? We are imputed Jesus' righteousness; Not yet imparted, but imputed. We do not go in and out of being His child anymore than we go in and out of His Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit does not leave a believer and come back numerous times, The Spirit is grieved when we sin, but is able to lead us to repentance as Children of God because of Jesus. We do not lose our sonship, the Holy Spirit, or our salvation if we are truly born of His Spirit...
Hebrews 12:5-11
5 And have you completely forgotten this word of encouragement that addresses you as a father addresses his son? It says,
“My son, do not make light of the Lord’s discipline,
and do not lose heart when he rebukes you,
6 because the Lord disciplines the one he loves,
and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.
7 Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as his children. For what children are not disciplined by their father? 8 If you are not disciplined—and everyone undergoes discipline—then you are not legitimate, not true sons and daughters at all. 9 Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of spirits and live! 10 They disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness. 11 No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
God already knows our holiness and sanctification will take time and we will need much discipline, but thank God I will never doubt His promises that He will not ever cast me out of being His ( what you miss is that someone whose heart is Born again can not live in sin and grieve their Father's heart deliberately, but we all will and for those who know Him they are secure in His strong Hand and Word.

 

[mark kennedy]

My apologies about the audio files that did not work for you. Some of the audio files (not all) are broken in the first link. In the first link, the audio files that are WMA, or MP3 do not work anymore on a standard VLC player. I have not tried other players to check to see if they work.

The Real Video Player audio files (Which is the majority of audio files in that link) should all work just fine. I just checked two of them and they worked.

I may go back and give it another look, didn't realize they were audio files.

Morality is something that is basic and should not have to be taught to a person.

Actually morals are taught and matters of conscience stem from character qualities, our morals as believers proceed from the righteousness of God in Christ, received by grace.

Most today have lost their way when it comes to doing right and wrong.

I think you mean all have sinned:

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. (Isaiah 53:6)

For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. As it is written:

“There is no one righteous, not even one;
there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.” (Romans 3:9-12 Psalms 14:1-3; 53:1-3; Eccles. 7:20)​

Unless your suggesting some people are not sinners.

Jesus says when He returns, will he find faith on the Earth?
In the last days perilous times will come, and there are going to be those who have a FORM of godliness, but they deny the power thereof (2 Timothy 3:1-9). What power are they denying? This power right here: 1 Corinthians 10:13, Romans 8:3-4, Galatians 5:16, Romans 13:14. Believers can overcome grievous sin: 1 Peter 4:1-2. The goal in this life to cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit in this life perfecting holiness in the fear of GOD (See 2 Corinthians 7:1).

No question we are called to good works and to bear the peaceable fruits of righteousness. You by your best efforts cannot do that, we a saved by grace, sanctified by grace and equipped for service by grace.

I am willing to indulge a temporary divergence of topic to answer somebody. That to me is not derailing the train of the thread to temporarily talk about something else briefly. Remember, I did talk about your off topic passage (Hebrews 6:4-6). But when you kept pushing to talk about it here, when I asked you to stop (Is being unkind and disrespectful). Sure, we have all accidentally went off topic before. But the point here is not to continue in an off topic discussion if the person who created the thread is asking you to stop talking about something they feel is off topic to their thread. It is just being kind and loving to the thread they created and what they wanted to talk about.

If you want to understand what Pastor King link is about, go ahead and read the thread, my friend.

Anyways, may God's love shine upon you today.

It's not off topic, it speaks directly to your core flawed premise. To lose ones salvation is the same thing as falling away from the faith, since salvation is by grace through faith. If you can lose it you can lose it only once. You make multiple cross references that are often irrelevant and certainly say nothing like what you are. That one passage definitively refutes your only real doctrinal issue, that the first major sin in your life will cause you to lose salvation. It doesn't work that way.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

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I may go back and give it another look, didn't realize they were audio files.

I will pray that you check the Real Player Video audio files and keep an open mind. Remember, these people used to believe in Eternal Security.

Actually morals are taught and matters of conscience stem from character qualities, our morals as believers proceed from the righteousness of God in Christ, received by grace.

I believe that the Gentiles did by nature the things contained in the Law. For Romans 2:14 says: "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law..."

This means that many Gentiles do certain things in the Law (Like aspects of the Moral Law); For we can even see on the news the condemnation of murder, rape, theft, abuse of children, animals, etc.

I think you mean all have sinned:

As it is written:

“There is no one righteous, not even one;
there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
All have turned away,
they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
not even one.” (Romans 3:9-12
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Unless your suggesting some people are not sinners.

I highlighted the part of the passage that refutes this kind of thinking that even the believer is a sinner. For if you believe Romans 3:10, and Romans 3:23 are talking about the present walk of the believer in the fact that they are currently sinners, you would also have to apply verse 11 (Romans 3:11) that says that believers in their present walk with God has no understanding and they do not seek after God. Are you saying that all Christians have no understanding and they do not seek after God? I sure hope not. This is why Romans 3 is talking about "Initial Salvation." Paul asks in Romans 3:1 what profit is there in circumcision? There was a certain sect of Jews who were trying to get Christians to think they had to first be circumcised in order to be saved (See Acts of the Apostles 15:1, Acts of the Apostles 15:5, Acts of the Apostles 15:24). But circumcision was a part of the Old way, and not the New way. These Jews were not even getting circumcision in the OT correct (Belief came first and then circumcision - Romans 4:9-12; But circumcision was a requirement that came later in one's faith, though. For if a person was not later circumcised (under the OT), they could be cut off from God's covenant - See Genesis 17:14; Important Note: Christians are not under the Old Covenant contract but under a New Covenant contract with New Commands). Anyways, this is why Paul said, "Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also" (Romans 3:29). There is one way now for both Jews and Greeks. There is no more need for circumcision.

No question we are called to good works and to bear the peaceable fruits of righteousness. You by your best efforts cannot do that, we a saved by grace, sanctified by grace and equipped for service by grace.

Of course, no believer can do any good without God working in them. But God cannot agree with a person who thinks they can sin and still be saved. So God is not going to do good work in them if their gospel message can lead others into sin. God cannot agree with sin because God is good, holy, and righteous.

 

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[QUOTE="Jason0047, post: 73399826, member: 356113"]If God exists in all points in time, then that means God did not actually stop from His work on the 7th day because He would still be working in some other timeline (like the 6 day creation). If God exists in all points in time (like in the past even): This would also mean Jesus is still being re-sacrificed as we speak over and over and over again. But the Scriptures say this:
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That's not what it means that God is Ominpresent, Omnipotent and Omniscient.

Just because you don't understand how God exists outside of time, doesn't mean that it is wrong. It just means you don't understand this aspect of God.

Jesus said their were some things he didn't share with His disciples because they were spiritual and beyond the disciples spiritual understanding.

Maybe God has to get you to a place of spiritual understanding where you can understand God being outside of time.

 

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Of course, no believer can do any good without God working in them. But God cannot agree with a person who thinks they can sin and still be saved. So God is not going to do good work in them if their gospel message can lead others into sin. God cannot agree with sin because God is good, holy, and righteous.

The Holy Spirit is leading each of us to truth. God teaches us when we are in error and convicts us of our sin unto repentance.

I'm not sure why you think God would agree with something sinful, but then the Holy Spirit is a teacher and sometimes the same lesson needs to be taught more than one time for the person to learn.