Was King David Saved While He Committed His Sins of Adultery and Murder?

[Dorothy Mae]

I think there are some translations that say "It's as if" they crucify the Son of God/Jesus Christ/their own Messiah afresh anew, ect... Some I think say, "It's as if"... But I think it's over a specific kind of sin, like maybe some mentioned like apostasy...

God Bless!

That might be but you realize that they crucify him to themselves alone. It is not speaking of Jesus not being able to get on the cross again and die again. This is impossible for Jesus as for anyone else who was ever crucified. NO one would write that Jesus the man cannot be crucified again same as no one would write that Paul the apostle cannot be beheaded again. It is really silly.

The believer who reaches this state has done something to their own soul in relationship to the sacrifice of Christ. Christ is not affected himself. The person in this state is.

This is a real twisting of scripture to say that JEsus cannot bodiily get on the cross again. I mean think about it, who can?

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Sorry, I was saying that Jason claiming what I said turns God's grace into immorality. I know that the claim that grace gives license to sin has existed since the Bible days. That's a little different, I wasn't around then.

I do not know enough to say anything to the accusation, however, those who teach OSAS to others are doing that to those who wish to sin and still go to Heaven. OSAS is the perfect theology for such. And they are there, believe me. They were there in the NT days and Jude spoke against them. THe outcome for them is not pretty.

 

[DeeR.]

I have talked extensively with OSAS believers and heard the handfull of extracted verses twisted to assure them Heaven no matter how they behave. Scripture does not suppose OSAS at all and Jesus actually said many would fall away from the faith. The mental gymnastics OSAS believers do to deny that shows that scripture does not support it and warns believers about falling away. OSAS falsely comforts them that they cannot.

Scripture says that Jesus died once. It does not say that all future sins of man are therefore forgiven with no action on their part to play. iF you look at what some OSASers write, it is clear they are NOT living in repentance from sin but in full faith in oSAS. They go from faith in salvation to faith in salvation while having no fear of what their sin does to others or anything.

And those people who do not believe they need to live in repentance are clearly the ones written about who pervert the Word/Grace of God. Stop saying OSAS please. Everyone is an individual and has their own varied beliefs. You do not know who is a OSASer as you call them. Unless they say they are, just be respectful and address the topic & not label

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You weren't asking. You were telling. Big difference, especially since you barely know me and have bad theology.

Well, can Jason ask you what you believe or not?

 

[DeeR.]

That might be but you realize that they crucify him to themselves alone. It is not speaking of Jesus not being able to get on the cross again and die again. This is impossible for Jesus as for anyone else who was ever crucified. NO one would write that Jesus the man cannot be crucified again same as no one would write that Paul the apostle cannot be beheaded again. It is really silly.

The believer who reaches this state has done something to their own soul in relationship to the sacrifice of Christ. Christ is not affected himself. The person in this state is.

This is a real twisting of scripture to say that JEsus cannot bodiily get on the cross again. I mean think about it, who can?

Are you in the Spirit of love when you are writing or are you feeling defensive or angry? Only respond to a person if you care more about loving and helping them by the Spirit and not being right. We can not convince anyone since interpretation is not with great words or with human interpretation but by the Spirit of revelation delivered in Love.

 

[Neogaia777]

I have talked extensively with OSAS believers and heard the handfull of extracted verses twisted to assure them Heaven no matter how they behave. Scripture does not suppose OSAS at all and Jesus actually said many would fall away from the faith. The mental gymnastics OSAS believers do to deny that shows that scripture does not support it and warns believers about falling away. OSAS falsely comforts them that they cannot.

Scripture says that Jesus died once. It does not say that all future sins of man are therefore forgiven with no action on their part to play. iF you look at what some OSASers write, it is clear they are NOT living in repentance from sin but in full faith in oSAS. They go from faith in salvation to faith in salvation while having no fear of what their sin does to others or anything.

Who's behaving badly...?

 

[Neogaia777]

Who's behaving badly...?

And that leads to... Who's shaming...?

God Bless!

 

[DeeR.]

I would say, why are you striving to overcome them? You already have the victory through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

I have already told you I do not believe that theology that says you will never stop sinning in this life. That is a form of godliness denying the power thereof.

The answer is to let the victory of Jesus become a reality in you.

I have already said, do you not understand that forgiveness is the power not to do it again?

Do you not know that the sinless Christ has come to live in you? Let him live his sinlessness out through you.

God said, I will take away your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh to obey me. So he has made it easy. Just live in what he has given you.

Okay, I think 'nuff said.

That is the reality of it....Here is the Victory, even our faith.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

And those people who do not believe they need to live in repentance are clearly the ones written about who pervert the Word/Grace of God. Stop saying OSAS please. Everyone is an individual and has their own varied beliefs. You do not know who is a OSASer as you call them. Unless they say they are, just be respectful and address the topic & not label

Can you tell me what you mean by "live in repentance" in some practical detail. I do not recall anyone in the Bible saying we need to "live in repentance" and do not know what you mean either.

ANd do I have to say those who believe they are eternally secure in going to Heaven no matter what evil they do to others? Or are you the branch that says that they are going to Heaven no matter what because God HImself will make sure they do no evil to others?
This gets really long. People might be individuals but those who believe in the eternal security doctrine believe pretty much what men have taught them and I k now why. It is very comfortable. They ignore the scriptures that warn them about losing their faith. How they do that is different with the individuals. But what is perfectly clear is that none of them thought of this themselves but swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

I am not disrespectful but I am straightforward. Jesus said we can know a tree by its fruit. It is very very easy to see who believes in the eternal security doctrine just by reading what they write. As they believe, so they speak. It would be hard to know by watching them but when you read what a man writes that he thinks, you know what he thinks.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Who's behaving badly...?

It would be incorrect to name names here.

 

[Llewelyn Stevenson]

You know, I have this to say about OSAS. Be careful you don't become judge and jury because we all can become inclined to excuse our own faults while condemning others.

I said once, which of us hopes that God will forgive our indiscrepancies we may not have confessed yet. Whether by ignorance or time?

Let us walk circumspectly with mercy and humility.

 

[Neogaia777]

Can you tell me what you mean by "live in repentance" in some practical detail. I do not recall anyone in the Bible saying we need to "live in repentance" and do not know what you mean either.

ANd do I have to say those who believe they are eternally secure in going to Heaven no matter what evil they do to others? Or are you the branch that says that they are going to Heaven no matter what because God HImself will make sure they do no evil to others?
This gets really long. People might be individuals but those who believe in the eternal security doctrine believe pretty much what men have taught them and I k now why. It is very comfortable. They ignore the scriptures that warn them about losing their faith. How they do that is different with the individuals. But what is perfectly clear is that none of them thought of this themselves but swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

I am not disrespectful but I am straightforward. Jesus said we can know a tree by its fruit. It is very very easy to see who believes in the eternal security doctrine just by reading what they write. As they believe, so they speak. It would be hard to know by watching them but when you read what a man writes that he thinks, you know what he thinks.

We cannot Judge one another's faith, or their "status as far as being saved" at one time or another or any time or another...

God Bless!

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Are you in the Spirit of love when you are writing or are you feeling defensive or angry? Only respond to a person if you care more about loving and helping them by the Spirit and not being right. We can not convince anyone since interpretation is not with great words or with human interpretation but by the Spirit of revelation delivered in Love.

I always find it surprising when have an intellectual discussion about a verse that the other person shifts to talking about my supposed feelings. It is usually a sign of losing the discussion. I feel nothing at all expect surprise at your turning it into a discussion of my supposed feelings which you cannot possibly know, and that people saw this verse as saying JEsus cannot bodily be recrucified as though it is possible otherwise for other people. I love the truth and love people enough to tell them the truth. Did you accuse me of being angry in love? I do not detect any. Only correct those or accuse them of angry (wrong) emotions if you live up to the standard you require of me. MY impression is you did not. Next time apply your standard to yourself first.

And again, I am not at all angry. I am simply honest and love truth and able to see it and say it without the culture dancing usually required.

 

[Neogaia777]

Do you realize or have you noticed some of us are on here in a sense saying the same thing, or some or many of the same things, but we have not even read one another's posts yet, cause were still in the process of making our posts...? That's strange...

God Bless!

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You know, I have this to say about OSAS. Be careful you don't become judge and jury because we all can become inclined to excuse our own faults while condemning others.

I said once, which of us hopes that God will forgive our indiscrepancies we may not have confessed yet. Whether by ignorance or time?

Let us walk circumspectly with mercy and humility.

Where is the verse that says God forgives indiscrepancies? Do you see that you changed the word from "sin" which is clearly wrong behaviour into a mere slip? You have downgraded sin.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

We cannot Judge one another's faith, or their "status as far as being saved" at one time or another or any time or another...

God Bless!

I thought we were having an intellectual discussion, not a finger pointing session. Some people have some difficulty separating those two, it seems. (Not you, by the way.)

 

[DeeR.]

Can you tell me what you mean by "live in repentance" in some practical detail. I do not recall anyone in the Bible saying we need to "live in repentance" and do not know what you mean either.

ANd do I have to say those who believe they are eternally secure in going to Heaven no matter what evil they do to others? Or are you the branch that says that they are going to Heaven no matter what because God HImself will make sure they do no evil to others?
This gets really long. People might be individuals but those who believe in the eternal security doctrine believe pretty much what men have taught them and I k now why. It is very comfortable. They ignore the scriptures that warn them about losing their faith. How they do that is different with the individuals. But what is perfectly clear is that none of them thought of this themselves but swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

I am not disrespectful but I am straightforward. Jesus said we can know a tree by its fruit. It is very very easy to see who believes in the eternal security doctrine just by reading what they write. As they believe, so they speak. It would be hard to know by watching them but when you read what a man writes that he thinks, you know what he thinks.

Dear friend in Christ, What is meant by abiding and living in repentance is the same as abiding and living in Love, Peace Joy and He Himself... they are all one. We do not live in love consistently but we are told to. Just because we fail in love and sin does not mean we are no longer His anymore than failing implies we do not love Him. If any use grace as an excuse to justify and keep on sinning they are clearly living outside of Him. We are told to abide and continue in Him and die daily to our selfish ways and sin. We must grow and strive to enter into His way and that is active not passive for our entire walk. The disrespect is in labeling others and being so quick to do so and so quick to know what everyone is meaning.... Seek first to Understand Ask and Love and BE in the Spirit and His Way then you can be more prepared to be used to question correct and rebuke and make sound judgements.

 

[Neogaia777]

I always find it surprising when have an intellectual discussion about a verse that the other person shifts to talking about my supposed feelings. It is usually a sign of losing the discussion. I feel nothing at all expect surprise at your turning it into a discussion of my supposed feelings which you cannot possibly know, and that people saw this verse as saying JEsus cannot bodily be recrucified as though it is possible otherwise for other people. I love the truth and love people enough to tell them the truth. Did you accuse me of being angry in love? I do not detect any. Only correct those or accuse them of angry (wrong) emotions if you live up to the standard you require of me. MY impression is you did not. Next time apply your standard to yourself first.

And again, I am not at all angry. I am simply honest and love truth and able to see it and say it without the culture dancing usually required.

The reason why I asked, or posed those questions was to get you/other people to "think about it", and for it to be a lesson in judging and possibly, wisdom, and not to shift any blame or condemn, or even in any way accuse, anyone... And hopefully it would teach us all a little humility along the way... Not put ourselves up as God, and certainly not above God... He is the judge, he is worthy, we are not, not without or ever apart from Him...

God Bless!

 

[Dorothy Mae]

The reason why I asked, or posed those questions was to get you/other people to think about it, and for it to be a lesson in judging and possibly, wisdom, and not to shift any blame or condemn, or even in any way accuse, anyone...

God Bless!

I thought about it and do not do it. I do not judge anyone on here saved or not. Never occurs to me.

 

[DeeR.]

I thought we were having an intellectual discussion, not a finger pointing session. Some people have some difficulty separating those two, it seems. (Not you, by the way.)

We are not here for an intellectual discussion but one of the Spirit led by the Spirit not with Human wisdom, understanding or knowledge. It becomes unfair when you label people & judge their motives and meanings & are incorrect. that is not of the Spirit it is legalistic and offensive. You are called by Him to Love and be gentle with much Grace and you are not giving that to others in these comments. I would be glad to praise you if you were humble in all of this.