2 Thess 2:12 teaches eternal security

[Gr8Grace]

Interesting idea. You have no sorrow for sin

I never said that. In fact, I told you I do. I just said that they don't carry any weight in His willingness to forgive me.
What seems to frustrate you, is it seems you think your sorrow and emotions carry some weight.

refuse to repent

I name and site my sins to God.

or walk in the ways of Jesus

I walk in His ways. I just do it biblically, rather than through my own effort.

then how can I say you are my brother at all? What evidence is there you have any faith in Jesus or the cross?

Anymore, I go by peoples doctrines. FreeGrace for example. He is without a doubt my brother. His doctrines prove it.

Too many have learned to counterfeit the lifestyle. But their doctrines will reveal them.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Seems you ALWAYS look at your heart. That is why unconditional forgiveness and love is an enigma to you.

Unconditional forgiveness and love would be to let a serial killer work their way round the church killing everyone and doing nothing about it.

In your words you could neither stop them, that would be judgemental, hold them to account, or reject them, as they slowly extinguished the life from your body. It is why this is neither love or forgiveness, but for justice and truth to stop the sin, one would take the murderer to the authorities and protect the innocent from the homicidal lunatic.

 

[Gr8Grace]

False teaching about sin and sorrow is so blindingly nonsense. Like going to a child who
just hit another and saying, thats ok, play nicely and forgive each other as if it never
happened, and if it happens again, so what, just carry on. That is simply abuse and
bullying by one party on another.

Quite pathetic Peter. We have always said God DISCIPLINES his rebellious children.

This is what we disagree with in your theology:

Like going to a child who just hit another and saying," You good for nothing child, You are no longer mine and I will salt you with Fire forever in the Lake of fire."

 

[LightLoveHope]

I never said that. In fact, I told you I do

Let us stand back a little.
Nineveh repented is sackcloth and ashes of their sins, murders, thefts etc. and God heard them, and forgave them.

I want to make this 100% clear. God heard them, and forgave them because of their repentance and sorrow. It was not, I repeat not, unconditional.

Jesus linked the cross to Jonah and the warning of judgement and the appropriate response to such a thing.

I name and site my sins to God.

This is not repentance, it is listing ones sins. So you know all your sins, but do not take any other action. That sounds like capitulation.

I walk in His ways. I just do it biblically, rather than through my own effort.

Sounds interesting, but is this the sermon on the mount principles or the you allowed to do anything principle

Anymore, I go by peoples doctrines. FreeGrace for example. He is without a doubt my brother. His doctrines prove it.

It appears you are saying you know believers by their doctrines.

The answer closest to my heart is, it does not matter if we are brothers or sisters in Christ, but that we
share love and life, and the blessing the Lord brings us. It is up to each individual to get their
relationship with the Lord straight, and for us to confront sin when it is obvious.

If my brother and sister in Christ does not like praying, reading scripture and praising God, then
probably they have not come to faith yet. But I always live in hope, Praise the Lord.

I follow an open heart, because that is the way to life and speaking to Jesus.
You say you forgive from the heart and know your failures and issues. That is a good start.

Putting love to work, reaching out to others and taking risks helps us grow and learn how
we are hurt and how we can walk the road of love and service for others.

 

[Gr8Grace]

Unconditional forgiveness and love would be to let a serial killer work their way round the church killing everyone and doing nothing about it.

In your words you could neither stop them, that would be judgemental, hold them to account, or reject them, as they slowly extinguished the life from your body. It is why this is neither love or forgiveness, but justice and truth to stop the sin, take the murderer to the authorities and protect the innocent from the homicidal lunatic.

I would call that 'unconditional stupidity' if that is what one thinks unconditional forgiveness and love is.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Quite pathetic Peter. We have always said God DISCIPLINES his rebellious children.

This is what we disagree with in your theology:

Like going to a child who just hit another and saying," You good for nothing child, You are no longer mine and I will salt you with Fire forever in the Lake of fire."

Quite pathetic Peter - my oh my how the unconditional forgiveness and love has slipped.

"Gr" this example you gave, is not a fair illustration.
God does not forgive if we do not repent. And for just one sin we will get thrown into the lake of fire.
The wages of sin is death.

Faith in Jesus though covers us in grace and Jesus's love through the cross.
Where your example fails is the conversation that is had with a child of God, talking them through their love of Jesus and good things, and how their behaviour contradicts this. In their hearts they will then bend and repent and seek forgiveness.

This is what happened to King David when confronted over Bathesheba.
He could have taken the sin and rebelled and lost faith in God. But rather he accepted guilt and sought forgiveness from God, in sorrow.

Now if the believer becomes faithless and refuses to turn from their sin, then they will be counted with the lost as described by Jesus

"But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Matt 8:12

"Then the king told the attendants, 'Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' "For many are invited, but few are chosen."
Matt 22:13

And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
Matt 25:30

Jesus repeated the servant, the subjects, the wedding guest without proper clothes are all thrown into the darkness.

But you want so badly to say the alternative to your universalism(light) is pure perfection without grace, you fail to grasp discipleship, sanctification and transformation while keeping the form of faith but denying its power.

 

[LightLoveHope]

I would call that 'unconditional stupidity' if that is what one thinks unconditional forgiveness and love is.

"Gr" So how can you stop a serial killer from killing your congregation without telling him he is a sinner sinning, without physically restraining him, and by just talking to him. This is a similar position some pacifists have in stopping a violent man attacking someone else.

Once you ignore judicial authority to intervene righteously on behalf of the innocent, you become powerless. You are in your ideas, commanded to forgive unconditionally, and as sin is not longer an issue, why should you do anything about it, or have any right to say or comment or stop anything. It is simply not your business.

 

[BNR32FAN]

It is amazing that the vast majority of believers don't know that Christ paid for ALL sin. Sin is not going to be judged, Christ did it on the Cross. WORKS/SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS/DEEDS/HUMAN GOOD/ EVIL will be judged Because they never believed in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Rev 20:12~~New American Standard Bible
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds.(ergon/works/deeds NOT sins.)

Rev 20:13~~New American Standard Bible
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.(Ergon.works/deeds NOT sins.)

This is why we need to recognize we are a sinner, and believe Christ died for our sin's in order to be saved. There is no other way. Unbelievers do not pay for their sins. They pay for all the other ways that they WORKED to be saved.

Like I said several times before Matthew 25:31-46 and Matthew 7:21-23 both say those people were condemned by their actions and verses 24-27 continues to reiterate on the necessity of our actions.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I said:
"If one cannot back up their own opinions with Scripture that agrees, then one should refrain from expressing their own opinions."

Lol. Laughter comes because something is said that is so absurd, it causes this response.

That's what motivates my responses.

It is like a school teacher trying to appeal to authority by stating if they say it, it must be true.

This seems to be your "truth", but not mine. I do have Scripture that really does say what I believe.

Scripture is clear. Walk in His ways, with His heart or be judged.

No doubt. I have always believed this. Do you think I don't, or something?

Jesus makes it even clearer, I will empower you with the Holy Spirit so your communion will be complete. He is our teacher.

Don't know what you mean by "communion", but certainly one must be in fellowship in order to please the Lord and live the supernatural Christian way of life.

Jesus is very clear about those who abandon Him.

Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven.
But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.
matthew 10:32-33

The confession the apostles were to give wa not a one-time verbal confession of their faith, but a life of confession in the face of severe persecution. And Jesus wanted them to know that such costly confession will not go unrecognized or unrewarded at the Bema (Judgment Seat of Christ - 2 Cor 5:10). By on-going confession of their faith, they faced arrest, scourging, hatred and even death.

Regarding v.33, what it does NOT say is that eternal life will be lost. And we know that is totally impossible since Jesus was clear about recipients of eternal life never perishing.

'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
Matt 7:23

The context is v.21-23. And Jesus' conclusion in v.23 PROVES that none of that crowd had EVER believed in Him. Or He could not have said that He NEVER knew them.

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
Hebrews 6:4-6

Not a thing here about losing salvation. The issue was about those saved Jews who were or going to turn back to the Law and sacrifices. It would be impossible for them to repent of that sin.

It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them.
2 Peter 2:21

The error here is to assume that the previous verse refers to eternity (in the end). Since recipients cannot perish, Peter was obviously referring to the end of their physical life. So v.21 means that once living on the path of righteousness, those who turn their backs will end up in this life far worse off than if they never started on that path. iow, this is about the PAINFUL DISCIPLINE that Heb 12:11 speaks of.

The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away.
Matthew 13:20-21

<sigh> Yes, saved people can cease to believe. That's what "fall away" means.

A more clear verse is Luke 8:13 - Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.

The red words relate to each other. iow, to cease to believe (believe for a while) is to fall away from the faith, or what they believed. Real simple.

The servant who fails
And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
Matt 25:30

I don't see anything about losing salvation. I do see a whole lot about God's painful discipline for the unfaithful servant.

But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."
Matthew 7:26-27

Nothing here about saved people perishing, or losing salvation. But a whole lot here about the result of those who have not put the words of Jesus into practice, which will be, again, PAINFUL discipline.

A foolish man is one who does not put Jesus words into practice.

Yes, there are foolish believers.

A foolish man likewise ignores the warnings about disowning Him and abandoning righteousness.

Correct. And they will suffer under God's PAINFUL discipline.

But why would people believe it is critical to believe they are secure?

Because Jesus taught it. Why wouldn't it be critical to believe EVERYTHING Jesus taught?

Because they are not secure at all, rather they are just hypocrites and desire the promises without the cross and sacrifice.

Well, those who want to ignore the cross cannot claim security. However, that describes ALL unbelievers. They aren't saved anyway. They can claim security of whatever they want, but as unbelievers, they will perish.

Believers, otoh, are secure regardless of their attitude. Because Jesus said so.

Jesus puts it simply
Anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
Matthew 10:38-39

"Worthy" here refers to the believer who has counted the cost of discipleship (spiritual growth) and realizes the requirement for self-denial and even martyrdom.

But nothing here about losing salvation.

To suggest this is not in scripture is to be blind, deaf and dumb.

Actually, since the NT is full of examples and teaching and warnings of God's PAINFUL discipline for rebellious believers, it is quite blind, deaf and dumb to take any of these verses you have just shared and conclude they are about losing salvation. Couldn't be more wrong.

And I've explained every passage. Can you prove my explanations incorrect?

I mean, by more than just your saying so?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Paul talks about people who have wandered away.
Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some.
2 Timothy 2:17-18

And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will.
2 Timothy 2:24-26

Paul is implying some will not repent and therefore will be lost.

Where, specifically, does Paul imply that any believer will be lost, as in loss of salvation?

Instead, Paul described eteranl life as a gift of God in Rom 6:23 and in 11:29 wrote that the gifts and call of God are irrevocable.

And in Rom 8:38 "neither things present nor things future" will separate the believer from the love of Christ. Do you not understand that Paul is saying that EVEN FUTURE events will not separate the saved person from Christ's love?

Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.
1 Timothy 1:20

How do you figure that this refers to loss of salvation? It most clearly shows that rebellious believers will SUFFER by Satan's hand for their behavior. This is one of God's ways of disciplining His rebellious children.

We see the very same principle regarding the incestuous man in 1 Cor 5:5.

I have not heard of the handing people over to Satan group who believe in using Satan as a rebuking agent.

There seems to be quite a bit of Scripture that you aren't familiar with. Please look up 1 Cor 5:5.

Maybe we should follow Pauls example and exercise the authority God gives us to hand over more people to the enemy to rebuke them into a proper respect for God and His word.

If you are a legitimate apostle, be my guest. Otherwise, sit down and start to learn.

Today, God doesn't need apostles to do His bidding. He can let Satan loose on anyone He chooses. So don't kid yourself.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Salvation is not unconditional. God’s love is unconditional but His wrath is not.

OK, let's unpack this. Salvation is not unconditional. It IS conditioned on faith in Christ. Once that single condition is met, the believer is given eternal life, and they shall never perish. Jesus said so. Those who disagree are in opposition to Jesus.

God wrath is clearly seen in Scripture to reach even to believers; those who have rebelled against His word.

 

[Gr8Grace]

Quite pathetic Peter - my oh my how the unconditional forgiveness and love has slipped.

Which is just another illustration that you don't have a clue what unconditional forgiveness and love is. Quite pathetic Peter, is a very true statement. Because we have always said God disciplines, and you lied about that fact.

"Gr" this example you gave, is not a fair illustration.
God does not forgive if we do not repent. And for just one sin we will get thrown into the lake of fire.
The wages of sin is death.

Well, your explanation not only makes it a fair illustration, It NAILS it.

This is what happened to King David when confronted over Bathesheba.
He could have taken the sin and rebelled and lost faith in God. But rather he accepted guilt and sought forgiveness from God, in sorrow.

Psalm 32:5~~New American Standard Bible
I acknowledged my sin to You, And my iniquity I did not hide; I said, "I will confess my transgressions to the LORD"; And You forgave the guilt of my sin. Selah.

Now if the believer becomes faithless and refuses to turn from their sin, then they will be counted with the lost as described by Jesus

"But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."
Matt 8:12

"Then the king told the attendants, 'Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.' "For many are invited, but few are chosen."
Matt 22:13

And throw that worthless servant outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
Matt 25:30

Jesus repeated the servant, the subjects, the wedding guest without proper clothes are all thrown into the darkness.

Believers never perish. John 10:28,John 5:24.
The worthless servant was never a believer. They are the religious Jews, who NEVER believed in The Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation.

But you want so badly to say the alternative to your universalism(light) is pure perfection without grace, you fail to grasp discipleship, sanctification and transformation while keeping the form of faith but denying its power.

I Can't make heads nor tails from this mess.

 

[FreeGrace2]

Like I said several times before Matthew 25:31-46 and Matthew 7:21-23 both say those people were condemned by their actions and verses 24-27 continues to reiterate on the necessity of our actions.

Everyone in those 2 passages were those who NEVER believed. And, yes, the people in both passages were condemned.

So pay attention to these 2 verses about who will be condemned:

John 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

2 Pet 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

The red words make it extremely clear as to who will be condemned; those who NEVER believed.

If anyone EVER believed and then ceases to believe, they cannot be included in either of these 2 verses, because they HAD at one time, believed.

So these 2 verses prove that anyone who has EVER believed cannot be condemned.

Only those who NEVER believed.

btw, 2 Thess 2:12 is the title of this thread!! Imagine that!

 

[BNR32FAN]

OK, let's unpack this. Salvation is not unconditional. It IS conditioned on faith in Christ. Once that single condition is met, the believer is given eternal life, and they shall never perish. Jesus said so. Those who disagree are in opposition to Jesus.

God wrath is clearly seen in Scripture to reach even to believers; those who have rebelled against His word.

Jesus also said anyone living a sinful life will not inherit the kingdom of God and anyone who doesn’t produce fruit will be cut off from Him tossed away and burned. Believing is one of many conditions to salvation. It’s the first step towards salvation. No one can even start to become saved if they don’t believe. Also the word believe (pisteuo) can also imply obedience.

G4100


Lemma:

πιστεύω


Transliteration:

pisteúō


Pronounce:

pist-yoo'-o


Part of Speech:

Verb


Language:

greek


Description:

1) to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in a) of the thing believed

1) to credit, have confidence b) in a moral or religious reference

1) used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul

2) to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith

3) mere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith

2) to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity a) to be intrusted with a thing

 

[BNR32FAN]

Believers never perish. John 10:28,John 5:24.
The worthless servant was never a believer. They are the religious Jews, who NEVER believed in The Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation.

His sheep, those who hear and follow, will never perish. John 10:27

 

[BNR32FAN]

Everyone in those 2 passages were those who NEVER believed. And, yes, the people in both passages were condemned.

So pay attention to these 2 verses about who will be condemned:

John 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

2 Pet 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

The red words make it extremely clear as to who will be condemned; those who NEVER believed.

If anyone EVER believed and then ceases to believe, they cannot be included in either of these 2 verses, because they HAD at one time, believed.

So these 2 verses prove that anyone who has EVER believed cannot be condemned.

Only those who NEVER believed.

btw, 2 Thess 2:12 is the title of this thread!! Imagine that!

Let’s continue John 3 where Jesus is explaining what it means to be born again.

“And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed. But those who do what is right come to the light so others can see that they are doing what God wants. ””
‭‭John‬ ‭3:19-21‬

A person who is born again does not fear the light because they do what is right. Like I said pisteuo also implies obedience.

 

[LightLoveHope]

Which is just another illustration that you don't have a clue what unconditional forgiveness and love is. Quite pathetic Peter, is a very true statement. Because we have always said God disciplines, and you lied about that fact.

"Gr"

You are right I do not know what you mean by forgiveness and love "unconditionally" because it is not scriptural. Forgiveness and love are, but unconditional is not.
Have I said something is not true? I have tried not to specifically say what you personally believe or not, because it is a waste of time and descends into this "you lied" language.

So if you feel I lied, I am sorry. Please forgive me, I feel bad you respond this way and are hurt. It was not my intention.

What I have experienced is double speak, where two opposite positions are taken and then switched, as if this has value. So either sorrow for sin is scriptural and of the Lord or it is not. Either people agree with sorrow or put scorn on sorrow. If someone appears to put scorn on sorrow, it is not unreasonable to suggest they do not agree with showing sorrow for sin, which I have met some people who say this, specifically.

I hope you also agree God does listen to a humble contrite heart, and the prayer of a righteous man.

Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
James 5:16

God communes with His people and takes delight in their lives.

This picture is very much God integrated in our lives and with us.

There are some who would suggest the state of the believer is actually irrelevant and Gods dealing with carnal believers is the same as with righteous ones, because no one is righteous or walking in His will.

So I see our race is to walk like Jesus. If we can agree in this, then the rest follows. Amen.

 

[BCsenior]

2 Thess 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

This post certainly won't be instructive to you,
that's for sure ... but, it may be for someone else!

This verse does NOT state what happens to those
who fall away from the faith, fall from grace,
draw back to perdition, etc.

Because of all the many dire warnings in the NT
(which include the red), it has been determined
by some that "believe" must be referring to ...
True saving belief = deep heart belief,
enduring faith, enduring trust, and obedience.

As with some other Greek words, the secular "pisteou"
means something somewhat different in Christianity.
There is no one word that the translators
could have used to portray the blue above!

 

[FreeGrace2]

Jesus also said anyone living a sinful life will not inherit the kingdom of God

Actually, it was Paul who wrote that. And he wrote 3 parallel passages on that subject; in 1 Cor 6, Gal 5 and Eph 5. In the first 2 passages, he used the phrase "will not inherit the kingdom", which the OSNAS ilk assume means "won't get in the kingdom". However, Paul used a different phrase in the Eph 5 passage; "have no inheritance IN the kingdom".

So, because all 3 passsages are parallel, the 2 phrases are equivalent. Therefore, "not inherit the kingdom" means the same thing as "have no inheritance in the kingdom".

what both phrases absolutely DO NOT MEAN is "won't get in the kingdom".

What they both mean is that those believers who live according to the lifestyles noted in all 3 passages will have no inheritance IN the kingdom.

iow, they WILL BE IN the kingdom, but just not have any inheritance in the kingdom.

and anyone who doesn’t produce fruit will be cut off from Him tossed away and burned.

Wrong. Please don't try to force a metaphor into something so literal. The point is what a farmer does to a nonproductive branch. They discard it from service; by cutting it from the trunk.

You're trying to take a metaphor and turn it in to a literal application.

How come the ONLY verses the OSNAS ilk can find that they claim is about loss of salvation involves metaphors, which are NOT to be taken literally anyway?

And, how come the OSNAS ilk cannot find ANY verses that plainly say that salvation can be lost, if it indeed can be? Hm? Hm?

Believing is one of many conditions to salvation.

So, please list a verse for EACH of these "many conditions" that are rquired for salvation, because I don't believe this at all.

It’s the first step towards salvation. No one can even start to become saved if they don’t believe. Also the word believe (pisteuo) can also imply obedience.

Description:

1) to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in a) of the thing believed

1) to credit, have confidence b) in a moral or religious reference

1) used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soul

2) to trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faith

3) mere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith

2) to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelity a) to be intrusted with a thing

All of the non bolded words are actual meanings of the word.

The bolded words are simply someone's commentary on how they themselves think the word means.

However, even in that bolded phrase, conviction is a belief and so is trust.

So it doesn't advance your claim at all.

The SINGLE CONDITION for salvation is to believe in Jesus Christ for it.

Here is the proof:
Salvation:

Mark 16:16 " He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.

Luke 8:12 "Those beside the road are those who have heard; then the devil comes and takes away the word from their heart, so that they will not believe and be saved.

Acts 4:12 "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."

Acts 11:14 and he will speak words to you by which you will be saved, you and all your household.'

Acts 16:31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household."

Rom 10:9, 10 9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.

1 Cor 1:21 - For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;

2 Tim 3:15 and that from childhood you have known the sacred writings which are able to give you the wisdom that leads to salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

1 Peter 1:5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

1 Peter 1:9 obtaining as the outcome of your faith the salvation of your souls.

2 Thess 2:13 But we should always give thanks to God for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and faith in the truth.

Eternal Life:

John 3:15-16 15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. 16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

John 5:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."

John 6:47 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord

1 Tim 1:16 Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life.

Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

1 John 5:13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

So, how many verses mention anything other than faith or belief for salvation/eteranl life? NONE.

 

[FreeGrace2]

His sheep, those who hear and follow, will never perish. John 10:27

Please pay attention to the words. v.27 is cleary a description of what Jesus' sheep DO.

Not HOW they won't perish.

In v.28 we see the CAUSE of having eternal life; Jesus Christ Himself who gives it.

And we see the EFFECT of having eternal life, which is never perishing.

Did you notice that there are NO CONDITIONS listed between the CAUSE and EFFECT of having eternal life?

Don't you think that if there were any conditions after receiving eternal life, that Jesus would have been compelled to note them IN v.28?

Of course He would have.

But, since He didn't list ANY conditions, we are assured that there are NONE for recipients of eternal life.