I guess there won't be a wall after all.

[OldWiseGuy]

So much for the (former) landowners having access to their (former) lands.

You mean the native Americans?

 

[Desk trauma]

what you will get is NAFTA and open borders.

Please link to the congress person advocating open boarders.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Please link to the congress person advocating open boarders.

I think what is meant by that is 'very generous' immigration policies that will have the same effect.

 

[Desk trauma]

I think what is meant by that is 'very generous' immigration policies that will have the same effect.

Not what they said.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You mean the native Americans?

Nah, they're old news. The administration doesn't get riled until a paleface gets inconvenienced...

 

[TLK Valentine]

I think what is meant by that is 'very generous' immigration policies that will have the same effect.

Generally speaking, one should actually say what they mean...

... don't you think?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Generally speaking, one should actually say what they mean...

... don't you think?

That's not how politics operates.

 

[TCassidy]

That would be the part where you are expecting us to believe the ludicrous claim that a half a million people are crossing the border in a month.

I made no such claim.

 

[Belk]

I made no such claim.

Then I am at a loss on how to interpret your post here.

ICE/CBP caught 50,000+ illegally cross our borders every month for the last 3 months. And they admit they only catch about 10-15% of those crossing our borders every month.

If you catch 50,000 people every month and that is only 10% of those crossing our border every month that equates to 500,000 people crossing a month.

 

[DaisyDay]

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States who is 85 years old and in very poor health. She is expected to resign (or die) before the 2020 elections.

Ok, thanks for the clarification. So, "Tick tock, Ruthie" is in very poor taste.

Memento mori.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

You mean the native Americans?

Native Americans like the Tohono O’odham Nation. If it comes down to it and the call goes out for a gathering to stand with the Tohono O’odham Nation, I will be there to stand with them.

Speaking of the Tohono O’odham Nation and their reaction to the border wall.

A Standing Rock on the Border?

A border tribe, and the wall that will divide it

Border Wall Threatens Native American Sovereignty

Trump's Border Wall Could Carve Path Through Native American Lands

Native American Tribe to DHS: Keep your dumb border wall off our land

American Indians fear U.S.-Mexico border wall will destroy ancient culture

Native American Tribe on U.S.-Mexico Border Blocks Trump's National Guard Troops From Its Lands

Lay one brick of the border wall and it will be the last of the Indian Wars, native Americans warn Trump

Nah, they're old news. The administration doesn't get riled until a paleface gets inconvenienced...

No truer words have been spoken. Welcome to the United States of America... founded upon freedom, liberty, and justice for all and a land where all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain alienable rights such as life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (Some exceptions apply, which include but not limited to Native Americans, African Americans and all other minorities).

 

[DaisyDay]

That's not how politics operates.

More to the point, that's not how propaganda works.

 

[Shiloh Raven]

Ok, thanks for the clarification. So, "Tick tock, Ruthie" is in very poor taste.

Memento mori.

Yes, it is very poor taste. It's anxiously awaiting for her to either retire because of her injuries or die from her injuries just so the Christian Right can have another conservative judge on the Supreme Court, in order to push their conservative political agendas. You know, these same conservatives would be very put out and morally indignant if the shoe was on the other foot. I doubt they would be so anxious to replace her if Trump was a liberal Democrat president. Oh wait, they wouldn't even be supporting Trump so passionately and defending him so fiercely if he was a liberal Democrat.

 

[TCassidy]

So, "Tick tock, Ruthie" is in very poor taste.

Yes, decidedly so.

 

[TCassidy]

Then I am at a loss on how to interpret your post here.

Try reading what I actually said. Usually works for me.

"And they admit they only catch about 10-15% of those crossing our borders every month."

"They" is CBP. If you don't like their estimates take it up with them.

If you catch 50,000 people every month and that is only 10% of those crossing our border every month that equates to 500,000 people crossing a month.

Again, take it up with CBP.

 

[Belk]

Try reading what I actually said. Usually works for me.

"And they admit they only catch about 10-15% of those crossing our borders every month."

"They" is CBP. If you don't like their estimates take it up with them.
Again, take it up with CBP.

You are the one in this thread making these claims, not the CBP. So yes it is your claim based on your knowledge of the CBP numbers that a half a million people are crossing the borders each month. Do you have links to back up these numbers?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

More to the point, that's not how propaganda works.

It's all right there...in the fine print.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Generally speaking, one should actually say what they mean...

... don't you think?

As noted, it's all right there...in the fine print.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Native Americans like the Tohono O’odham Nation. If it comes down to it and the call goes out for a gathering to stand with the Tohono O’odham Nation, I will be there to stand with them.

Speaking of the Tohono O’odham Nation and their reaction to the border wall.

A Standing Rock on the Border?

A border tribe, and the wall that will divide it

Border Wall Threatens Native American Sovereignty

Trump's Border Wall Could Carve Path Through Native American Lands

Native American Tribe to DHS: Keep your dumb border wall off our land

American Indians fear U.S.-Mexico border wall will destroy ancient culture

Native American Tribe on U.S.-Mexico Border Blocks Trump's National Guard Troops From Its Lands

Lay one brick of the border wall and it will be the last of the Indian Wars, native Americans warn Trump



No truer words have been spoken. Welcome to the United States of America... founded upon freedom, liberty, and justice for all and a land where all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain alienable rights such as life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness (Some exceptions apply, which include but not limited to Native Americans, African Americans and all other minorities).

All have the right to pursue happiness and success. However there are no guarantees regarding outcome.

That said do you think all the minority media and sports personalities have achieved the American dream? It certainly seems so.

 

[expos4ever]

All have the right to pursue happiness and success. However there are no guarantees regarding outcomes.

Huh?

Your interpretation robs the notion of pursuing happiness of any real meaning. If some law or principle confers the right for people of all colours to “pursue happiness” this surely MUST imply that there are no race-based impediments to that pursuit!

It seems like you are endorsing the right for all to pursue a goal, on the one hand, while refusing to provide access to the MEANS.

That is like saying I have the right pursue becoming a doctor while being denied entry to medical school.