Do you think Christians sin? If so, what common unconfessed sins do you think Jesus forgives?

[Sam81]

True Christianity isn't easy. We know that we must always obey the spirit and never the flesh. But there is another battle between the heart and the mind. For a while after being saved it's like one big game of mental whack-a-mole.

But that gets easier as you renew your mind. The mind is where the battlefield is and it's the only avenue into a changed heart and soul. So it's with the mind that we guard our heart.

These are battles actual Christians face. This is why I point them out. Fake Christians don't sweat it. They do what they themselves want.

If you fight sin to the death and you are believing on the Lord Jesus, don't be condemned by your struggles. We have an advocate with the Father. Plead the blood and fight harder.

But if you live in sin while justifying why you can, you are still dead in sin.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Believe in Jesus Christ and have all your sin forgiven - past, present and future. Trust his blood to pay the penalty of all your sin.

Find out from God and God alone if you are truly converted. And once you know this from God, do not allow Satan to whisper in words of doubts or fear. Take up the helmet of salvation daily. You are eternally saved, and your minor sinful habits are not evidence of being unconverted, nor is God going to crush you like a child does an ant in a cruel manner. Do not let others yolk you and instead preach the gospel boldly.

Till the saved see each other in Heaven.

The gospel is tied to obedience (Sanctification of the Spirit).

2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 says,
13 “...God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (2 Thessalonians 2:13-14).

This ties in nicely with:

23 “And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it.” (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24).
​

Romans 16:25-26 says,
25 “Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:” (Romans 16:25-26).

This ties in nicely with:

“And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;” (Hebrews 5:9).​

Also see: 1 John 1:7.
For the grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (See Titus 2:11-12).

The OSAS version of grace does not teach that you are to live righteously and godly, but it teaches that you can sin and still be saved by just having a belief on Jesus.

However, the very purpose Christ died for us was to make us blameless, holy (Ephesians 5:25-27), and zealous of good works (Titus 2:14).

 

[1stcenturylady]

My point here is that if a person commits a lie and does not know they lied right away, they are not automatically forgiven because they lied in ignorance. God can bring this lie up to them later and convict them of it, but that does not mean they are forgiven of this lie until they actually repent or confess of their sin of lying.

What exactly do you think sins of ignorance are?

What kinds of sins would this be?



I agree with this part of Scripture. Not sure how it relates to what you are saying.

You seem to not know what a willful sin of lawlessness even is? Unbelievable. Lying is willful, there is no way around it. It is against one of the Ten Commandments - bearing false witness. There is no way you don't know you are lying.



I agree with this part of Scripture. Not sure how it relates to what you are saying.

 

[JacksBratt]

Do you think Christians sin?
If so, what common unconfessed sins do you think Jesus forgives?

For example: Do you think lying, or cursing, or porn (lusting), hating, coveting are automatically covered by the blood of Jesus by having a belief alone on Him?

All of them.

 

[JacksBratt]

Everyone sins... Christians, non Christians... everyone... The difference is that Christians are trying not to sin and trying to be more like Jesus...

In the end... everyone dies with "unrepentant" sins...
However, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

You seem to not know what a willful sin of lawlessness even is? Unbelievable. Lying is willful, there is no way around it. It is against one of the Ten Commandments - bearing false witness. There is no way you don't know you are lying.

When a person has pleasure in unrighteousness, God can send a strong delusion that they may believe a lie who have pleasure in unrighteousness (Which is in essence a sin done in ignorance). In other words, some folks honestly have suppressed the truth on certain things being moral and good. They do not think that what they are doing is a sin (even when the Bible condemns it).

11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12).​

Again, Jesus does not give a pass to someone who does not know and yet still sins.

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." (Luke 12:48).

Sometimes sin is not always so apparent. David committed murder and adultery, and yet his sin was exposed to him and he repented of it. Before that point, David thought he was okay with GOD. But his sin found him out. His sin was brought to light and he confessed it to the Lord seeking forgiveness.

Again, I ask you, what is a sin of ignorance according to the Bible?

Are we talking about minor commands in His Word that we do not know about in the Bible yet? For example: Would this be the command: "Rejoice when you are persecuted"? (See Matthew 5:11-12).

Disobedience to this command is what I would call a..."sin not unto death" because no spiritual death consequences are tied to disobeying this command from our Lord and it is not something that violates a serious lack of love towards God and or in loving one's neighbor.

When I first became a Christian, I did not know that seeking after riches was wrong. I did not know my Bible yet. But I came to later discover that seeking after riches was a serious problem with God and it was a matter of my own salvation if I did do that. I was ignorant of that sin. There are many times Christians who think they did not do wrong at one point in time and then later that sin is revealed to them and they later repent of it (i.e. Seek forgiveness with the Lord). I imagine many times this would be like lying or indulging in a movie that is sinful, etc. It takes time for some Christians to mature and grow and put sin out of their lives. Have you never had a grievous sin that was later exposed to you at a later point in time? But at the time of committing that sin, you could not see how it was wrong?

I see the "willful sin" in Hebrews 10:26 as a mindset that one sins intentionally with the thinking they are saved while doing so or with them not wanting to think about GOD for a moment in time. This does not mean they cannot be forgiven of such sins if they later repent or seek forgiveness with GOD or repent of a belief that justifies sin.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Everyone sins... Christians, non Christians... everyone... The difference is that Christians are trying not to sin and trying to be more like Jesus...

In the end... everyone dies with "unrepentant" sins...
However, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Correction:

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Romans 8:1).

There is also no Bible verse that says we can die unrepentant grievous sin and still be saved. On the contrary, Jesus warned how certain sins can keep a person out of God's Kingdom (See Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 9:62). Even John says that to just hate your brother means that you are a murderer and no murderer has eternal life abiding in them. Proverbs 6:32 says he that commits adultery destroys their own soul. So no, what you say here is correct.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

All of them.

So this means George Sodini was saved. He was a mass murderer and he then committed suicide. He was a huge believer in Eternal Security and he wrote in his suicide letter that his sins would be paid for by Jesus.

See this article here.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

True Christianity isn't easy. We know that we must always obey the spirit and never the flesh. But there is another battle between the heart and the mind. For a while after being saved it's like one big game of mental whack-a-mole.

But that gets easier as you renew your mind. The mind is where the battlefield is and it's the only avenue into a changed heart and soul. So it's with the mind that we guard our heart.

These are battles actual Christians face. This is why I point them out. Fake Christians don't sweat it. They do what they themselves want.

If you fight sin to the death and you are believing on the Lord Jesus, don't be condemned by your struggles. We have an advocate with the Father. Plead the blood and fight harder.

But if you live in sin while justifying why you can, you are still dead in sin.

I agree with everyone on your list for the most part except for #5.

Check out this CF thread here by poster: "Love of Truth."

I do not find the church today to be the same one we see in the New Testament. Believers ONLY gathered in each others homes. This was never a gather of believers (and invited unbelievers) to worship God together. There was also no desire of believers to build a large building to have fellowship in, either (Whereby they would place unnecessary potential financial burdens upon themselves). There was no need for a person to put themselves into financial debt to go to a school to become a Pastor whereby only the Pastor was allowed to speak whereby everyone else remained silent. Everyone has a doctrine, a psalm, etc. The biblical church model is not the one we see today. Most churches also believe in a form of justifying sin in some way. Just ask your Pastor if he believes if David was saved while he committed his sins of adultery and murder and see what he says. Chances are he will say he was saved. 1 John 3:15 says no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. But Proverbs 6:32 says that he that commits adultery destroys his own soul.

As for #14: I would agree only if this is to be peace within the fellowship of Christians within each others homes (Which I believe is true fellowship according to God's Word).

 

[eleos1954]

Do you think Christians sin?
If so, what common unconfessed sins do you think Jesus forgives?

For example: Do you think lying, or cursing, or porn (lusting), hating, coveting are automatically covered by the blood of Jesus by having a belief alone on Him?

Of course christians sin .... everybody sins.

Walking in the Light
(John 8:12-30)

5And this is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you: God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. 6If we say we have fellowship with Him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us.

There is no "automatic" covering for sin(s). When we are convicted by the Holy Spirit (that we have sinned), we need to go to prayer, confess the specific sin and ask Jesus for forgiveness and pray for strength from the Lord to help us and protect us from the influence of satan. Satan constantly attacks those who believe in Jesus ... the unbelievers and the wicked satan (already has in his pocket, so to speak)

God Bless.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Of course christians sin .... everybody sins.

Walking in the Light
(John 8:12-30)

5And this is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you: God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. 6If we say we have fellowship with Him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us.

There is no "automatic" covering for sin(s). When we are convicted by the Holy Spirit (that we have sinned), we need to go to prayer, confess the specific sin and ask Jesus for forgiveness and pray for strength from the Lord to help us and protect us from the influence of satan. Satan constantly attacks those who believe in Jesus ... the unbelievers and the wicked satan (already has in his pocket, so to speak)

God Bless.

But this is like a man who cheats on his wife and just pays lip service to her by saying he is sorry to her and yet he goes right back out and continues to cheat on her. If the man was truly sorry, he would stop cheating on his wife. The same is true for the man of GOD. If he is truly sorry, he will not just pay lip service but he will draw near to GOD. Jesus said that the Pharisees had honored him with their lips but their hearts were far from Him.

As for 1 John 1:8:
It is a warning to the brethren so as not to think like those who were trying to seduce them (1 John 2:26). It was a false gnostic belief that denied the existence of sin. Christian Scientists think sin is an illusion. OSAS Proponents think sin exists partially. They believe it exists physically, but they deny that exists for them on a spiritual level because Jesus paid the price for their sins by their having a belief on Jesus. Yet, 1 John 1:8 says if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves. The solution is to recognize sin and repent of it so as to be forgiven of that sin (See 1 John 1:9). This then leads to walking in the light as He is in the light whereby the blood cleanses a person from sin (See 1 John 1:7).

 

[Sam81]

Judas is a good example of the way sin, when finished, works death. Judas didn't just set out to trade away Jesus. But he was holding onto something the whole time. A lust for money. So when the time came, Judas had convinced himself that He could have both Jesus and the object of his desire (30 silver). He reasoned that Jesus was surely so powerful that he wasn't really betraying Him. So in a sense he did trust in Jesus. But the fact remains that you cannot have both! And he traded away Jesus. Once he realized that Jesus had indeed been lost to him, it was too late.

How many "Christians" will wake on the last day to find that they have also lost Jesus? What Judas esteemed above Jesus became a field into which Judas went "splat!". Acts 1:18

Esteem something equal or better than Jesus and into that you, too, will splat.

 

[Shempster]

I know he forgives sins done out of a motive of love for others.

 

[1stcenturylady]

When a person has pleasure in unrighteousness, God can send a strong delusion that they may believe a lie who have pleasure in unrighteousness (Which is in essence a sin done in ignorance). In other words, some folks honestly have suppressed the truth on certain things being moral and good. They do not think that what they are doing is a sin (even when the Bible condemns it).

11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." (2 Thessalonians 2:11-12).​

Again, Jesus does not give a pass to someone who does not know and yet still sins.

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." (Luke 12:48).

Sometimes sin is not always so apparent. David committed murder and adultery, and yet his sin was exposed to him and he repented of it. Before that point, David thought he was okay with GOD. But his sin found him out. His sin was brought to light and he confessed it to the Lord seeking forgiveness.

Again, I ask you, what is a sin of ignorance according to the Bible?

Are we talking about minor commands in His Word that we do not know about in the Bible yet? For example: Would this be the command: "Rejoice when you are persecuted"? (See Matthew 5:11-12).

Disobedience to this command is what I would call a..."sin not unto death" because no spiritual death consequences are tied to disobeying this command from our Lord and it is not something that violates a serious lack of love towards God and or in loving one's neighbor.

When I first became a Christian, I did not know that seeking after riches was wrong. I did not know my Bible yet. But I came to later discover that seeking after riches was a serious problem with God and it was a matter of my own salvation if I did do that. I was ignorant of that sin. There are many times Christians who think they did not do wrong at one point in time and then later that sin is revealed to them and they later repent of it (i.e. Seek forgiveness with the Lord). I imagine many times this would be like lying or indulging in a movie that is sinful, etc. It takes time for some Christians to mature and grow and put sin out of their lives. Have you never had a grievous sin that was later exposed to you at a later point in time? But at the time of committing that sin, you could not see how it was wrong?

I see the "willful sin" in Hebrews 10:26 as a mindset that one sins intentionally with the thinking they are saved while doing so or with them not wanting to think about GOD for a moment in time. This does not mean they cannot be forgiven of such sins if they later repent or seek forgiveness with GOD or repent of a belief that justifies sin.

People who take pleasure in unrighteousness? You are describing people who are not filled with the Spirit of God! That is NOT what I'm talking about. Those are not trespasses, but lawlessness. People who walk in darkness are not filled with God. I don't know how to repeat myself over and over and make you understand.

There are people who call evil good, and good evil. They substitute darkness for light, and light for darkness. They substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. They may do these things in ignorance (like today's Democratic party), but only because they do NOT have the Spirit of God in them, and they have been indoctrinated to believe the lie. They are committing willful sins in ignorance, but they are still lawlessness. Trespasses are debts - not sins of lawlessness. Ignorance is not the operative word. LAWlessness is the operative word.

You have brought up lying as if it is a minor sin. But there is no way someone can lie without knowing it is a lie. All brains have to work harder when telling a lie; thus, how lie detectors spot a lie. Lying is not minor in anyone's book. Certainly not God's. Even when I wasn't saved, I knew not to lie or to steal. These are not minor. You can do neither in "ignorance."

Revelation 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Do you think Christians sin?
If so, what common unconfessed sins do you think Jesus forgives?

Yes Christians sin. He forgives all sin.

Further clarification:
If you are a Christian you will probably be convicted by the Holy Spirit to repent for your sin. If you are unaware that you have sinned then I believe God does not hold it against you.

 

[Yarddog]

Do you think Christians sin?

I think that Christians sin but those may not be held in account. IOW, how much faith do we have in God? Anything not of faith is sin. So how much of ourselves have we turned over to the Spirit which we receive through baptism?

If so, what common unconfessed sins do you think Jesus forgives?

That is not for me to judge.

 

[1stcenturylady]

Judas is a good example of the way sin, when finished, works death. Judas didn't just set out to trade away Jesus. But he was holding onto something the whole time. A lust for money. So when the time came, Judas had convinced himself that He could have both Jesus and the object of his desire (30 silver). He reasoned that Jesus was surely so powerful that he wasn't really betraying Him. So in a sense he did trust in Jesus. But the fact remains that you cannot have both! And he traded away Jesus. Once he realized that Jesus had indeed been lost to him, it was too late.

How many "Christians" will wake on the last day to find that they have also lost Jesus? What Judas esteemed above Jesus became a field into which Judas went "splat!". Acts 1:18

Esteem something equal or better than Jesus and into that you, too, will splat.

I agree. Though we don't know for sure what Judas was actually reasoning, your description fits the scenario.

There are many denominations who believe the blood of Jesus is actually meant to cover the sins they keep willfully committing. Even that to not sin is a "work." Martin Luther even said to "make your sins strong, but your love for Christ stronger." "Make your sins strong?" How much more willful can you get? God will not be mocked. It is no wonder that Jesus condemned the church of Sardis which is the church age in history of the Reformation. He said of it, "you have a reputation for being alive, but you are dead." Revelation 3.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

That is not true according to the Bible.

Actually it IS TRUE according to the words of Jesus.

Now, not that we are under the Old Law as a whole (contractually speaking), there are truths and commands in the Old that still remain true under the New Covenant (For the law is good if one uses it lawfully - 1 Timothy 1:8).

In the OT: We learn from the Law that a person who committed adultery once was still considered an adulterer according to the Old Law (Leviticus 20:10).

What are they now in the eyes of God according to you.

It only took one act of murder to be considered a murderer (See Numbers 35:16-18).

Now how many murders does it take? What are they until they reach that number?

These are real questions I’m wondering. about.

Proverbs 6:32 says,
"But whosoever commits adultery with a woman lacks understanding: he that does it destroys his own soul."

1 John 3:15 says,
"Whosoever hates his brother is a murderer: and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." ​

Please take note that it says NO murderer has eternal life abiding in him. This would be the murderer who just murdered one time because it says... NO murderer (Meaning any murderer of any kind).

So now one murder is no big deal?

Revelation 21:8 says all liars will have their part in the Lake of Fire. I see no exception made here where it says there is another group of liars who will not be cast into the Lake of Fire. Only those who repent and forsake sin will be forgiven (See 1 John 1:9, 1 John 1:7, Proverbs 28:13, Matthew 12:41 cf. with Jonah 3:6-10). One grievous sin is enough to keep a believer out of God's Kingdom unless they repent (i.e. seek forgiveness with GOD). Ananais and Sapphira lied (one sin) to the Holy Ghost and they were instantly judged by being killed. A great fear came upon the church and all who heard it. If they were saved, it makes no sense for the church to be afraid.

Of course they were saved, just like all the others. That’s why they were afraid. If they’d been unsaved no one would have been afraid as they WERE saved.

They would be either sad or happy if they were saved. Also, Peter tells Simon to repent of his wickedness in his one sin of trying to pay for the Spirit in the hopes that God would forgive him by way of prayer (See Acts of the Apostles 8:22).

Seriously doubt the man has only one sin.

What do you think happened in the Garden of Eden? It only took one sin to separate mankind from GOD (Which was by Adam's one time sin). Do not buy into the lie the devil sold to Eve. He told her that she would not die if she disobeyed God (and that was just one sin).

Well it was a big one.

 

[1stcenturylady]

But this is like a man who cheats on his wife and just pays lip service to her by saying he is sorry to her and yet he goes right back out and continues to cheat on her. If the man was truly sorry, he would stop cheating on his wife. The same is true for the man of GOD. If he is truly sorry, he will not just pay lip service but he will draw near to GOD. Jesus said that the Pharisees had honored him with their lips but their hearts were far from Him.

As for 1 John 1:8:
It is a warning to the brethren so as not to think like those who were trying to seduce them (1 John 2:26). It was a false gnostic belief that denied the existence of sin. Christian Scientists think sin is an illusion. OSAS Proponents think sin exists partially. They believe it exists physically, but they deny that exists for them on a spiritual level because Jesus paid the price for their sins by their having a belief on Jesus. Yet, 1 John 1:8 says if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves. The solution is to recognize sin and repent of it so as to be forgiven of that sin (See 1 John 1:9). This then leads to walking in the light as He is in the light whereby the blood cleanses a person from sin (See 1 John 1:7).

I agree, except 1 John 1:9 is how to become a Christian, not an endless cycle of sinning and repenting. Acts 2:38 says to REPENT! Once is all it should take. It is how you receive the 'off switch' to sin, the Holy Spirit. He is the key to being "free indeed" John 8:34-36. He is the seed in us preventing us from continuing in sin, so there are no future willful sins. 1 John 3:9.

That does not mean the Holy Spirit takes away our free will. But our desire is to do righteousness, not evil. We love what God loves, and hates what God hates. However, the apostles have taught us to not put ourselves in the line of constant fire from the enemy. We are not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers. We are to walk in the Spirit, and it not just a suggestion, but a command to not quench the Spirit. He is our Spirit of Truth.

 

[1stcenturylady]

So now one murder is no big deal?

I know your point. That is why 1 John 3:9 says that a Christian cannot sin. Some have twisted 1 John 3:4 to say "practice" sin, but the word is commit - one time. We are to "practice" righteous, but to not commit sin.