SDA

[Karola]

We--like Paul, and Jesus and the rest of Christianity, accept as Christians all who accept Jesus as their Savior and and we are aware of the fact that no one is perfect and that sanctification is a life long process and that God gives the knowledge to each individual as He sees fit and we try to not judge anyone based on what they believe is the truth. It is between them and God. Each is to live up to what God has told them, when He tells them. You may feel free to judge others I do not. We are to teach others what we feel we have been shown. That is what we do. It's up to them and God what they do with that information. God is the judge--no one answers to any SDA--to Him alone. Your judgement of others is your choice. Even you will have to see what God says about you.

That's fine. At least I understand SDA members believe you can continually sin without repentance and remain in a saved state. In this instance it has nothing to do witrh not being given knowledge though doesn't it. Everyone you have debated Saturday sabbath with has the knowledge of the scriptures you have posted, and understands what the fourth commandment states and when the biblical seventh day was
Incidentally, I have judged whether no one is in a saved state or not. I would not even judge that where those who follow after the written code rather than the Holy Spirit is concerned.

 

[Karola]

quote someone other than "yourself" when speaking about what others are supposedly believing.



There was no point made - only a false accusation of the form "SDAs believe that all Christians have the command to not bow down before images written on their heart - and yet accept Christians that do that " --

Step 1. Show us an SDA saying that -- other than the fiction you are presenting.



Your false accusation has no truth in it.

Your false accusation is of the form -- "SDAs believe that all Christians have the command to not bow down before images written on their heart - and yet accept Christians that do that " -- and you only "quote you" as your "proof" of it.

How sad.

How transparently obvious to the unbiased objective readers.

Were we simply "not supposed to notice"???



Finally -- a point of agreement.



present one. Let's test that idea.



For once we agree on something.

As I said debating with you is in my view pointless, all you get is ''programmed responses'' gymnastics with the plain verses of scripture you cannot accept and accusations of deleting one scripture by another when that is what you continually did yourself.
But I guess you have to write anything in order to keep the show on the road so to speak

 

[Karola]

You never show that SDAs think that all mankind have that conviction in their heart.

Does honesty matter when you are faced with the above? I guess not, possibly that is not written in your heart and mind?

Your false accusation is of the form -- "SDAs believe that all Christians have the command to not bow down before images written on their heart - and yet accept Christians that do that " -- and you only "quote you" as your "proof" of it.

I am coming to the point of believing you want to give me 20 more opportunities to point out this same flaw in your solution.

I refer you to my previous response.

 

[Karola]

I'm still waiting to find out what rocks all those *new* covenant *Christians* are hiding under hundreds of years before Christ was even born and thus before there even was a new covenant. Oddly, my book of Isaiah doesn't make any mention of them, nor can I find evidence of these Christians spoken of concerning the original manuscripts. Bob keeps posting the same response over and over for some incomprehensible reason, but none of the verses he is quoting are even from Isaiah or even old covenant scripture, so they aren't even applicable to his claim.

Indeed, and I think you will have a long wait! I am rapidly coming to the conclusion debating the main sda members on this site is a waste of time. They only want to discuss one subject, and will go to any lengths to avoid addressing(honestly) uncomfortable truths about what they actually believe.
I have always believed, those who shout the loudest that you must obey the law to enter heaven, are less concerned at breaking it than anyone else. It was that way in biblical times, and it hasn't changed now.

 

[BobRyan]

I refer you to my previous response.

I refer you to my previous posts for example --

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Lets spell it out clearly. SDA members believe it is written in your mind and placed on your heart to follow a specific Saturday Sabbath in relation to the ten commandments.

You never show that SDAs think that all mankind have that conviction in their heart.

So for those to whom "details matter" it will be seen that the salient point in your accusation keeps going "missing" -- and it does not seem to matter to you. How "instructive".

Does honesty matter when you are faced with the above? I guess not, possibly that is not written in your heart and mind?

Your false accusation is of the form -- "SDAs believe that all Christians have the command to not bow down before images written on their heart - and yet accept Christians that do that " -- and you only "quote you" as your "proof" of it.

I am coming to the point of believing you want to give me 20 more opportunities to point out this same flaw in your solution.

 

[BobRyan]

I'm still waiting to find out what rocks all those *new* covenant *Christians* are hiding under hundreds of years before Christ .

less creative writing - more Bible please. Substance we are looking for substance - - for example I have already pointed out Christ in the OT to you... you simply ignore the text that debunks your preferences.

Paul says that your two-gospel model is a "false gospel" in Gal 1:6-9 -- please reconsider.

==========================

In the case of the Bible Sabbath it is very clear - beyond all question,

1. It was made for mankind Mark 2:27
2. It is one of the TEN commandments - Ex 20:8-11 and is the seventh day
3. It is still in force for all eternity after the cross in the new Earth for all mankind Is 66:23
4. Gentiles are specifically singled out even in the OT for Sabbath keeping - Isaiah 56:6-8

Scripture can be pretty creative

Not if you just accept what it says instead of inserting preference and spin into it.

God himself is pretty creative too, so then we accurately convey what He has creatively written in scripture - instead of quoting-self, making stuff up, engaging in creative writing instead of accurate reading.

etc.

If you think this is "creative writing" then point out where all the Christians are in these Isaiah verses you quoted !

1 Cor 10:4
4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.

1 Peter 1: 10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, 11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow

Heb 4:1-2 "WE have had the gospel preached to us just as THEY also"

Then why do you keep doing it yourself? What you convey through your creatively cherry-picked verses <obligatory sniping deleted here>...

Substance..... looking for substance.

1. No text calls the 4th commandment Sabbath "ceremonial Sabbath" for that fiction we need to "quote you".
2. Almost every Christian group on the planet admits the obvious fact that all TEN of the TEN commandments are moral law - not ceremonial law.


1 Cor 10:4
4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.

1 Peter 1: 10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, 11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow

Heb 4:1-2 "WE have had the gospel preached to us just as THEY also"

Wow, deja vu...

Which is apparently why there are so many questions and disagreements over it, obvously.

Bible texts... address the point they make ... deal with the details...

Yes, the ritual weekly sabbath was made specifically for the Israelites at Sinai and *their* descendants

Your skill in "quoting you" has never been questioned.

1. No text calls the 4th commandment Sabbath "ceremonial Sabbath" for that fiction we need to "quote you".
2. Almost every Christian group on the planet admits the obvious fact that all TEN of the TEN commandments are moral law - not ceremonial law.

Irrefutable.

 

[Karola]

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[Karola]

You never show that SDAs think that all mankind have that conviction in their heart.
.

Seems to me you are getting a wee bit desperate, you knew of course from what I have repeatedly stated sda believe every Christian has that law written in their minds and hearts. I'm putting you on ignore, stimulating debate is not possible. You obviously believe christians have a licence to sin, as you accept as christians those you must believe are committing wilfull sin against the ten commandments without repentance. For they could hardly on this website be said to be in ignorance of the OC seventh day sabbath could they. So what you preach is not what you believe in practice is it. Then you accuse others of deleting scripture with other scripture when that is what you yourself do. You do gymnastics with the written word when it contradicts your views. And you fail to address nearly all the points put to you, with deflected programmed responses. Bye Bob, have a nice day

 

[BobRyan]

I refer you to my previous response.

I refer you to my previous posts for example --

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Lets spell it out clearly. SDA members believe it is written in your mind and placed on your heart to follow a specific Saturday Sabbath in relation to the ten commandments.

hint: You never show that SDAs think that all mankind have that conviction in their heart.

So for those to whom "details matter" it will be seen that the salient point in your accusation keeps going "missing" -- and it does not seem to matter to you. How "instructive".

Does honesty matter when you are faced with the above? I guess not, possibly that is not written in your heart and mind?

Your false accusation is of the form -- "SDAs believe that all Christians have the command to not bow down before images written on their heart - and yet accept Christians that do that " -- and you only "quote you" as your "proof" of it.

I am coming to the point of believing you want to give me 20 more opportunities to point out this same flaw in your solution.

Seems to me you are getting a wee bit desperate,

hint: You never show that SDAs think that all mankind have that conviction in their heart.

So for those to whom "details matter" it will be seen that the salient point in your accusation keeps going "missing" -- and it does not seem to matter to you. How "instructive".

That bit of emotionalism in your comment - is not helping your case.

you knew of course from what I have repeatedly stated sda believe every Christian has that law written in their minds and hearts. I'm putting you on ignore,

How "unexpected".

SDAs believe the New Covenant - but do not believe that every Christian is informed and convicted that bowing down before images is wrong - as we all know... so you avoid the point each time it is raised - apparently prefering to snipe as your "solution" to it.

You obviously believe christians have a licence to sin, as you accept as christians those you must believe are committing wilfull sin against the ten commandments

Again - you "merely quote YOU" to then falsely accuse me.

How "instructive" for the unbiased objective reader.

Try actual fact -- and we will discuss.

 

[bekkilyn]

less creative writing - more Bible please. Substance we are looking for substance - - for example I have already pointed out Christ in the OT to you... you simply ignore the text that debunks your preferences.

And that's exactly what I was NOT asking for. I know that the entire OT points to Christ, but what I am waiting for you to do is to back up your claim that there are new covenant *Christians* in Isaiah, hundreds of years before Christ was born as a human on earth.

Paul says that your two-gospel model is a "false gospel" in Gal 1:6-9 -- please reconsider.

What he's saying is that the "gospel" of the *Judaizers* is a false gospel. He is distressed that new covenant Christians are abandoning their faith for the false "gospel" of the law. Now, which of the two of us is attempting to Judaize Christianity? Hint: It's not me...my proclamation of the gospel is of Christ and Christ alone. His grace is enough.

==========================

In the case of the Bible Sabbath it is very clear - beyond all question,

1. It was made for mankind Mark 2:27
2. It is one of the TEN commandments - Ex 20:8-11 and is the seventh day
3. It is still in force for all eternity after the cross in the new Earth for all mankind Is 66:23
4. Gentiles are specifically singled out even in the OT for Sabbath keeping - Isaiah 56:6-8

Now that you've quoted this for at least the fourth time, obviously not having read my response to it, please go back and read the two posts responded to these statements. There are no gentile *Christians* anywhere in the OT or in Isaiah, but maybe you have a different book of Isaiah than the rest of us.

Not if you just accept what it says instead of inserting preference and spin into it.

Just like Jesus was supposed to accept all the out-of-context scripture that Satan quoted to him in the desert?

What you call "preference and spin" is called *context*. It helps to consider context before incorrectly mixing and matching covenants.

God himself is pretty creative too, so then we accurately convey what He has creatively written in scripture - instead of quoting-self, making stuff up, engaging in creative writing instead of accurate reading.

etc.

You might want to consider that log in your own eye.

1 Cor 10:4
4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.

1 Peter 1: 10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, 11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow

Heb 4:1-2 "WE have had the gospel preached to us just as THEY also"

I agree that the rock is Christ. It is *Christ* who is central to the gospel, not the law and legalisms of obsolete covenants.

Substance..... looking for substance.

Did you not try the periodic table of the elements?

1. No text calls the 4th commandment Sabbath "ceremonial Sabbath" for that fiction we need to "quote you".
2. Almost every Christian group on the planet admits the obvious fact that all TEN of the TEN commandments are moral law - not ceremonial law.

And what is it called when you observe the same act every week, month, year, etc.? A ritual or ceremony. Ceremonial is an adjective for how the Israelites observed the sabbath of *their* covenant. Sabbath is not a ritual for us as Christians because it is not a weekly observance, but about a *person*. That person being Jesus Christ, and the gospel being about the event of his *resurrection*!

You do realize that gospel means "good news" right? Do you truly think the apostles and disciples and missionaries and the like were traveling around preacing the "good news" about ritually observing a sabbath day?

No! It's about *Christ* and what happened on that first day of the week!

1 Cor 10:4
4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.

1 Peter 1: 10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, 11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow

Heb 4:1-2 "WE have had the gospel preached to us just as THEY also"

As I said before the last time you repeated these verses for some baffling reason, I agree that the rock is Christ, not a ritual sabbath. The foundation of our faith as Christians is Christ, not a ritual sabbath observance.

Bible texts... address the point they make ... deal with the details...

And that point is *Christ*, not ritual sabbath observance.

Your skill in "quoting you" has never been questioned.

You make very little sense here.

1. No text calls the 4th commandment Sabbath "ceremonial Sabbath" for that fiction we need to "quote you".
2. Almost every Christian group on the planet admits the obvious fact that all TEN of the TEN commandments are moral law - not ceremonial law.

Irrefutable.

See above. There is no division of law into moral, ceremonial, etc. categories in scripture. These categories were human-created and are just as much fiction as calling a ceremonial observance of the sabbath ceremonial. You are either under ALL of the law, and thus responsible for keeping ALL of it, or you are under Christ and his righteousness.

I know which of the two I prefer.

 

[mmksparbud]

Seems to me you are getting a wee bit desperate, you knew of course from what I have repeatedly stated sda believe every Christian has that law written in their minds and hearts. I'm putting you on ignore, stimulating debate is not possible. You obviously believe christians have a licence to sin, as you accept as christians those you must believe are committing wilfull sin against the ten commandments without repentance. For they could hardly on this website be said to be in ignorance of the OC seventh day sabbath could they. So what you preach is not what you believe in practice is it. Then you accuse others of deleting scripture with other scripture when that is what you yourself do. You do gymnastics with the written word when it contradicts your views. And you fail to address nearly all the points put to you, with deflected programmed responses. Bye Bob, have a nice day

I really need to thank you!! For years I've always had a bit of a problem with the "coming Sunday Law."
This point seemed so far fetched to me. This is modern times after all and the world is pretty sophisticated and people getting upset with 'Sabbatarians' to the point of having them jailed and at the end even killed. The last few years and the advances in several countries where those Sundays laws have indeed passed and "Sabbatarians" are being jailed for keeping it and for desecrating Sunday have proven that it is indeed true.
I still had a problem with believing all the animosity that would be shown Sabbath keepers. Didn't seem something to get upset about. I see now how very easy it is to become not only angry but downright hostile with Sabbath keepers. I've seen it on this website and esp. on this thread.

This is not a fight between Christians---in the end --it is still the major fight between God and Satan. It is still the matter of who we listen to. As in the Garden.

Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

There is only one commandment that Satan hates above all others---for it is the only one that names God as the Creator of all and sets a day aside to worship Him. Worship is what Satan has lusted after from the beginning to the point He even tempted Jesus to worship him---in the end this comes back again to worship. The beast of Revelation is demanding that all worship it.

Rev 20:4....and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

It is all about worship in the end. And I thank you for showing me how easy it will really be. I think outing people on ignore is really silly--I've done it only once---Some people here are very thin skinned and report fellow Christians for all sorts of silly things. I've reported only for some idiots that posted inappropriate content and for one that was really out of line. Other than that I believe in this:

Psa 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

I've been called all sorts of things and never reported anyone. Some on here get offended over very little.
In spite of the fact that you keep lying about what we believe and keep posting your own opinions instead of what we really believe--I won't put you on ignore---I will just basically avoid you in the future and not respond for you will only twist things. Saul was very adamant in his pre-Christ convictions. I will simply pray that one day you will have a Damascus experience of your very own. God bless.

Luk_16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

 

[bekkilyn]

Oddly, the only ones in this thread trying to insist that we can worship God only on one specific day each week are the sabbatarians, so not sure why anyone is worried about a "Sunday law" around here. Many of us worship God *every* day and therefore would not want any particular day to be enforced as the only day we are allowed to worship. And many Baptists would have literal fit if they were prevented from having their Wednesday night services.

 

[BobRyan]

1. No text calls the 4th commandment Sabbath "ceremonial Sabbath" for that fiction we need to "quote you".
2. Almost every Christian group on the planet admits the obvious fact that all TEN of the TEN commandments are moral law - not ceremonial law.

Irrefutable.

See above. There is no division of law into moral, ceremonial, etc. categories in scripture. These categories were human-created and are just as much fiction as calling a ceremonial observance of the sabbath ceremonial. .

Less fiction - more Bible please.

1 Cor 7:19 "neither circumcision nor uncircumcision is anything - but what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"

Your fictions , your creative writing --- goes directly against scripture.

Eph 6:2 "Honor your father and mother - for this is the first commandment with a promise"

Your fictions , your creative writing --- go directly against scripture.

 

[BobRyan]

Oddly, the only ones in this thread trying to insist that we can worship God only on one specific day each week are the sabbatarians,

hint: When accusing others -- quote them... "not yourself".

 

[BobRyan]

I'm still waiting to find out what rocks all those *new* covenant *Christians* are hiding under hundreds of years before Christ .

less creative writing - more Bible please. Substance we are looking for substance - - for example I have already pointed out Christ in the OT to you... you simply ignore the text that debunks your preferences.

Paul says that your two-gospel model is a "false gospel" in Gal 1:6-9 -- please reconsider.

==========================

In the case of the Bible Sabbath it is very clear - beyond all question,

1. It was made for mankind Mark 2:27
2. It is one of the TEN commandments - Ex 20:8-11 and is the seventh day
3. It is still in force for all eternity after the cross in the new Earth for all mankind Is 66:23
4. Gentiles are specifically singled out even in the OT for Sabbath keeping - Isaiah 56:6-8

Scripture can be pretty creative

Not if you just accept what it says instead of inserting preference and spin into it.

God himself is pretty creative too, so then we accurately convey what He has creatively written in scripture - instead of quoting-self, making stuff up, engaging in creative writing instead of accurate reading.

etc.

If you think this is "creative writing" then point out where all the Christians are in these Isaiah verses you quoted !

1 Cor 10:4
4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.

1 Peter 1: 10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, 11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow

Heb 4:1-2 "WE have had the gospel preached to us just as THEY also"

Then why do you keep doing it yourself? What you convey through your creatively cherry-picked verses <obligatory sniping deleted here>...

Substance..... looking for substance.

1. No text calls the 4th commandment Sabbath "ceremonial Sabbath" for that fiction we need to "quote you".
2. Almost every Christian group on the planet admits the obvious fact that all TEN of the TEN commandments are moral law - not ceremonial law.


1 Cor 10:4
4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.

1 Peter 1: 10 As to this salvation, the prophets who prophesied of the grace that would come to you made careful searches and inquiries, 11 seeking to know what person or time the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating as He predicted the sufferings of Christ and the glories to follow

Heb 4:1-2 "WE have had the gospel preached to us just as THEY also"

Wow, deja vu...

Which is apparently why there are so many questions and disagreements over it, obvously.

Bible texts... address the point they make ... deal with the details...

Yes, the ritual weekly sabbath was made specifically for the Israelites at Sinai and *their* descendants

Your skill in "quoting you" has never been questioned.

1. No text calls the 4th commandment Sabbath "ceremonial Sabbath" for that fiction we need to "quote you".
2. Almost every Christian group on the planet admits the obvious fact that all TEN of the TEN commandments are moral law - not ceremonial law.

Irrefutable.

You make very little sense here.

Your "wishful thinking" is not the compelling argument you seem to have at first imagined it to be.

Post a fact.

 

[bekkilyn]

I feel like I'm trying to talk to a parrot.

 

[Karola]

I really need to thank you!! For years I've always had a bit of a problem with the "coming Sunday Law."
This point seemed so far fetched to me. This is modern times after all and the world is pretty sophisticated and people getting upset with 'Sabbatarians' to the point of having them jailed and at the end even killed. The last few years and the advances in several countries where those Sundays laws have indeed passed and "Sabbatarians" are being jailed for keeping it and for desecrating Sunday have proven that it is indeed true.
I still had a problem with believing all the animosity that would be shown Sabbath keepers. Didn't seem something to get upset about. I see now how very easy it is to become not only angry but downright hostile with Sabbath keepers. I've seen it on this website and esp. on this thread.

This is not a fight between Christians---in the end --it is still the major fight between God and Satan. It is still the matter of who we listen to. As in the Garden.

Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

There is only one commandment that Satan hates above all others---for it is the only one that names God as the Creator of all and sets a day aside to worship Him. Worship is what Satan has lusted after from the beginning to the point He even tempted Jesus to worship him---in the end this comes back again to worship. The beast of Revelation is demanding that all worship it.

Rev 20:4....and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

It is all about worship in the end. And I thank you for showing me how easy it will really be. I think outing people on ignore is really silly--I've done it only once---Some people here are very thin skinned and report fellow Christians for all sorts of silly things. I've reported only for some idiots that posted inappropriate content and for one that was really out of line. Other than that I believe in this:

Psa 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

I've been called all sorts of things and never reported anyone. Some on here get offended over very little.
In spite of the fact that you keep lying about what we believe and keep posting your own opinions instead of what we really believe--I won't put you on ignore---I will just basically avoid you in the future and not respond for you will only twist things. Saul was very adamant in his pre-Christ convictions. I will simply pray that one day you will have a Damascus experience of your very own. God bless.

Luk_16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

The only reason following a Saturday sabbath means so much to you, is because you follow after the written code not the Holy Spirit. And what I wrote was the truth, but obviously, anything must be said, to try and deflect from that truth. So people who listen to satan rather than God are still saved. People who have not had a Damascus experience, and are without Christ's convictions are still saved, people who wilfully break the ten commandments without repentance are still saved. This would be amusing if it were not so serious. I am left wondering what sda members actually do believe, for it fluctuates like the weather

 

[Karola]

Fact. Everyone on this website who disagrees with the sda understands exactly what the fourth commandment is/was for the Israelites. They cannot be said to be in ignorance of it. So they could not be said to be sinning in ignorance of it. They have no repentance for not following a specific seventh day sabbath. Therefore, according to sda thinking, they must be committing wilfull sin without repentance concerning the ten commandments. Yet, sda members consider them in a saved state anyway.
That is a true fact. And the reason you get so attacked for stating the obvious, is, because it is an undeniable fact.
And because sda believe such people are in a saved state, they then have to say: through the law you may or may not become conscious of sin, which they do not really believe, but have to adjust their thinking because of this issue. So what is in your mind,. you may not in your mind know, and the law in your heart might not give you heartfelt conviction of sin if you wilfully transgress it. Doesn't make sense does it
SDA could easily solve the problem, by saying you cannot be a christian unless you follow a specific Saturday sabbath, then they do not need to make excuses for not being aware of sin through the law, but that would negate debate on this website, and also negate a belief they know better than other Christians.

 

[bekkilyn]

Fact. Everyone on this website who disagrees with the sda understands exactly what the fourth commandment is/was for the Israelites. They cannot be said to be in ignorance of it. So they could not be said to be sinning in ignorance of it. They have no repentance for not following a specific seventh day sabbath. Therefore, according to sda thinking, they must be committing wilfull sin without repentance concerning the ten commandments. Yet, sda members consider them in a saved state anyway.
That is a true fact. And the reason you get so attacked for stating the obvious, is, because it is an undeniable fact.
And because sda believe such people are in a saved state, they then have to say: through the law you may or may not become conscious of sin, which they do not really believe, but have to adjust their thinking because of this issue. So what is in your mind,. you may not in your mind know, and the law in your heart might not give you heartfelt conviction of sin if you wilfully transgress it. Doesn't make sense does it
SDA could easily solve the problem, by saying you cannot be a christian unless you follow a specific Saturday sabbath, then they do not need to make excuses for not being aware of sin through the law, but that would negate debate on this website, and also negate a belief they know better than other Christians.

What I want to know is where the good news (gospel) is in all of this. If revealing the seventh day sabbath law to saved Christians causes them to lose their salvation, then how is that good news? Wouldn't it be better then to *not* evangelize the seventh day weekly sabbath ritual so that everyone may keep their saved state no matter what day of the week they worship on?

Or maybe it's just good news for SDA since now the supposedly newly condemned Christian has little choice but to join them in order to re-gain and maintain their salvation.

 

[Karola]

What I want to know is where the good news (gospel) is in all of this. If revealing the seventh day sabbath law to saved Christians causes them to lose their salvation, then how is that good news? Wouldn't it be better then to *not* evangelize the seventh day weekly sabbath ritual so that everyone may keep their saved state no matter what day of the week they worship on?
Or maybe it's just good news for SDA since now the supposedly newly condemned Christian has little choice but to join them in order to re-gain and maintain their salvation.

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In my view what they write does not bear credibility. They say to break one of the ten commandments is to break them all. I am sure if someone committed murder once a week they would not believe they could be in a saved state, but apparently the fourth commandment is viewed differently.