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[iamlamad]

What do you mean the beginning of what?

Before the foundations of the created world

The lord returned to the glory which he had from the beginning before the world ever was

You had written this: "Furthermore sir revelation 12 shows that he was snatched up to .GOD and HIS throne from the beginning"

I asked you "the beginning of what?" Did you mean the beginning of His life as a human?

When God was teaching me, and asked me the three questions on chapters 4 & 5 - questions I could not then answer, one day He told me to turn to chapter 12. I turned and He gave me a synopsis of the chapter:

"This chapter was Me introducing John to the Dragon. Count how many times the dragon is mentioned."

I counted 32 times and told Him I could understand this chapter was about the Dragon.

He continued: "This chapter is about the Dragon, and in particular what the Dragon would be doing during the last half of the week - but I CHOSE to show John what the Dragon did when I was a child - those first 5 verses were a 'history lesson' for John."

So I always say what He said to me: the first five verses are about the birth of Christ and how the dragon tried to kill Him as a child. However, there are always some that want to argue and say they are for the church at the midpoint of the week.

He HAD all authority in the beginning, when earth was created, but if you go back to Genesis, He GAVE His authority over earth to Adam. He would not take it back, even when Adam turned it over to Satan. However, Jesus will get it back at the 7th trumpet.d

 

[mark kennedy]

Well I don’t know what you mean by this present generation. There will always be a present generation and in each present generation there will be those who believe and those who do not believe

So until all has been accomplished he will not avenge the deaths of the prophets because he still calls and commissions (to the ends of the earth) those sent to preach the gospel and testify of him

There is a question what he means by this generation. In other words in the life time of those listening, or a future generation that sees the descibed signs and wonders. Preterists, who believe all was fulfilled in the first century make a big deal out of it.

 

[iamlamad]

You said : “there is no bible verse that tells us exactly when”

My response: There is scripture and it’s in John and it is said even prior to his crucifixion resurrection and ascension

You’ll find it in John 13

That verse still does not tell us exactly when. It only tells us Jesus KNEW. Am I reading it wrong?

 

[iamlamad]

Well I don’t know what you mean by this present generation. There will always be a present generation and in each present generation there will be those who believe and those who do not believe

So until all has been accomplished he will not avenge the deaths of the prophets because he still calls and commissions (to the ends of the earth) those sent to preach the gospel and testify of him

Suppose a "present generation" sees the abomination that Jesus spoke about. Could that generation be the generation Jesus was speaking about when He said "this generation?"

Matthew 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

 

[mark kennedy]

He said that some of you would not taste death who would see these things come to pass but this generation is the generation of all those who benefited by his coming and are the generation who having all this benefits who will be judged more harshly. The men of Nineveh (that generation which a poster has implied (I think) thatis included in the generation that has been judged already) will stand in the judgement and condemn this generation who had everything they needed to come to know and believe in Jesus but continued in disbelief.

This is why he said woe to you Pharisees.

They didn’t believe and he warned them that he, the lord, was going to send out more “prophets” (witnesses) and this applies to all who kill His witnesses who testify of Him. for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. There is nothing more to prophecy but the ONE of whom all prophecy pointed to

Every word of GOD....every priest, prophet, judge, king was simply the shadows pointing us to CHRIST

Which is why the men of Nineveh will stand because they repented at the words of Jonah yet ONE GREATER has come


That ONE GREATER is THE LORD

Jesus also said of John, what is it to you if I keep him till I return. John did see the coming of the Son of Man, as did Paul. Seeing it and it actually coming might be two different things. As far as the prophets they follow a pretty basic pattern. For example, the eighth century prophets preach the sin of Israel first, usually idols and greed. Second a coming invasion that will scatter Israel and take them into captivity, fulfilled by the Assyrian invasion in Israel and Babylonian invasion of Judah. Third a time of resoration prophecied to occur 70 years later. Forthly and finally the coming of the kingdom of God. Everyone was expection an earthly kingdom right then, all tge prophecies read that way. Daniel describes it as being 7 years after the Messiah is cut off (killed). Prophecy is tricky, not a good idea to jump to too many conclusions quickly.

 

[miknik5]

You had written this: "Furthermore sir revelation 12 shows that he was snatched up to .GOD and HIS throne from the beginning"

I asked you "the beginning of what?" Did you mean the beginning of His life as a human?

When God was teaching me, and asked me the three questions on chapters 4 & 5 - questions I could not then answer, one day He told me to turn to chapter 12. I turned and He gave me a synopsis of the chapter:

"This chapter was Me introducing John to the Dragon. Count how many times the dragon is mentioned."

I counted 32 times and told Him I could understand this chapter was about the Dragon.

He continued: "This chapter is about the Dragon, and in particular what the Dragon would be doing during the last half of the week - but I CHOSE to show John what the Dragon did when I was a child - those first 5 verses were a 'history lesson' for John."

So I always say what He said to me: the first five verses are about the birth of Christ and how the dragon tried to kill Him as a child. However, there are always some that want to argue and say they are for the church at the midpoint of the week.

He HAD all authority in the beginning, when earth was created, but if you go back to Genesis, He GAVE His authority over earth to Adam. He would not take it back, even when Adam turned it over to Satan. However, Jesus will get it back at the 7th trumpet.d

Nope

 

[miknik5]

He said something that you are overlooking when he created Adam which I am not going to tell you

 

[miknik5]

Jesus also said of John, what is it to you if I keep him till I return. John did see the coming of the Son of Man, as did Paul. Seeing it and it actually coming might be two different things. As far as the prophets they follow a pretty basic pattern. For example, the eighth century prophets preach the sin of Israel first, usually idols and greed. Second a coming invasion that will scatter Israel and take them into captivity, fulfilled by the Assyrian invasion in Israel and Babylonian invasion of Judah. Third a time of resoration prophecied to occur 70 years later. Forthly and finally the coming of the kingdom of God. Everyone was expection an earthly kingdom right then, all tge prophecies read that way. Daniel describes it as being 7 years after the Messiah is cut off (killed). Prophecy is tricky, not a good idea to jump to too many conclusions quickly.

Are we tarrying?
And weren’t we told to?

Peter was restored....
And he wanted to know about John

 

[miknik5]

Suppose a "present generation" sees the abomination that Jesus spoke about. Could that generation be the generation Jesus was speaking about when He said "this generation?"

Matthew 24:34
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

They could be if they are those spoken of in the scriptures as also part of the NEW JERUSALEM which has 24 elders: 12 of the heads of the tribes of Israel and 12 apostles all built up in ONE HOUSE all wearing the same white washed garment

 

[mark kennedy]

Are we tarrying?
And weren’t we told to?

Peter was restored....
And he wanted to know about John

I think you missed my central point here. John was pastor of Ephesus. Ephesus had planted 7 churxhes in Adia Minor" they are the 7 churches the book of Re Revelation is addressed to for a reason. The were the largest evangelistic missionary ministry in the first century. John was by no means insignicant to be the only Apostle to die of natural causes but to recieve that Apocpsylisis.

 

[miknik5]

I think you missed my central point here. John was pastor of Ephesus. Ephesus had planted 7 churxhes in Adia Minor" they are the 7 churches the book of Re Revelation is addressed to for a reason. The were the largest evangelistic missionary ministry in the first century. John was by no means insignicant to be the only Apostle to die of natural causes but to recieve that Apocpsylisis.

I don’t believe I ever said that John was insignificant. And I don’t understand your point with regards to john and this generation.

 

[miknik5]

Is there ONE HOUSE? And in that one house are the two generations which are being (in error) separated

 

[Erik Nelson]

Rev 16:15 "Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame."
Rev 16:16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.
Rev 16:17 Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done!"
Rev 16:18 And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth. (This is the most powerful earthquake in the history of the planet.)
Rev 16:19 Now the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
Rev 16:20 Then every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And great hail from heaven fell upon men, each hailstone about the weight of a talent. Men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, since that plague was exceedingly great.


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Revelation 16:15 =
2 Peter 3:10 =
1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 =
Matthew 24:43 =
Olivet discourse =
Judgement of Jerusalem =
= Babylon where the Lord was crucified (Revelation 11:8)

 

[BABerean2]

Revelation 16:15 =
2 Peter 3:10 =
1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 =
Matthew 24:43 =
Olivet discourse =
Judgement of Jerusalem =
= Babylon where the Lord was crucified (Revelation 11:8)

You are ignoring the text that kills your form of preterism, in the same way the Dispensationalists ignore the text that kills their Two Peoples of God doctrine.

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[Erik Nelson]

You are ignoring the text that kills your form of preterism, in the same way the Dispensationalists ignore the text that kills their Two Peoples of God doctrine.

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kindly share which text that is?

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[BABerean2]

kindly share which text that is?

Rev 16:15 "Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame."
Rev 16:16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.
Rev 16:17 Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done!"
Rev 16:18 And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth.
Rev 16:19 Now the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
Rev 16:20 Then every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And great hail from heaven fell upon men, each hailstone about the weight of a talent. Men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, since that plague was exceedingly great.

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[mark kennedy]

I don’t believe I ever said that John was insignificant. And I don’t understand your point with regards to john and this generation.

The question us what generation. That is tall

 

[Erik Nelson]

Rev 16:15 "Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame."
Rev 16:16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.
Rev 16:17 Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done!"
Rev 16:18 And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth.
Rev 16:19 Now the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath.
Rev 16:20 Then every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
Rev 16:21 And great hail from heaven fell upon men, each hailstone about the weight of a talent. Men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, since that plague was exceedingly great.

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yes, verse 15 is an inserted parenthetical comment, straight from the Messiah...

reminding the reader of the Olivet Discourse...

so that they apply the "Battle of Armageddon" which destroys "Babylon" to Jerusalem wherein "no stone would be left upon another"

 

[BABerean2]

yes, verse 15 is an inserted parenthetical comment, straight from the Messiah...

reminding the reader of the Olivet Discourse...

so that they apply the "Battle of Armageddon" which destroys "Babylon" to Jerusalem wherein "no stone would be left upon another"

Do you believe in a future Second Coming of Christ?

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