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WHO IS GOD'S TRUE CHURCH ACCORDING TO GOD'S WORD?
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Good points Devin. Everything that we have from the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures come from the OLD TESTAMENT writings. In the days of Jesus and the Apostles the OLD TESTAMENT was their bible. Thank you this post was refreshing. Thanks for sharing it.
May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
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The Old Covenant, the covenant part (the letter of the law) has been abolished, and replaced, but not what we can learn or glean from the OT stories and it's writings...
People want to know why all the great darkness in the OT...? Well, It was time of darkness, and God was filling up the cup-full of the sin(s) of mankind to the full, and making him drink it all up, showing them the fullness (knowledge of) sin and all it's consequences, through experience, Their experience(s), and showing them what seemingly very dark acts might be required to fix it, in some cases...
The Law (letter of the law) makes or made nothing perfect, and far from it and actually makes things much worse, much more sinful, much more dark for mankind...
I don't know if it was a time of saving, maybe only sparing for some IDK...? The Law was given to us to our sin worse, and is that way a curse upon us, if we try to follow and obey the letter of the law, and God brought it upon us and gave it to us in anger back then... So then, the letter of the law is the source of Gods' curse and wrath upon us...
It was not meant to better, improve, or make anything better in any way, at any time, and actually was meant to make things worse...
And very bad, that is why you see so much darkness in the OT...
We are supposed to be free of that now, but I wonder if we really are or will (be)...
If we forget the past we are doomed to repeat it or may have to go through it again, and again, and again...
Who knows...?
People want to know why all the great darkness in the OT...? Well, It was time of darkness, and God was filling up the cup-full of the sin(s) of mankind to the full, and making him drink it all up, showing them the fullness (knowledge of) sin and all it's consequences, through experience, Their experience(s), and showing them what seemingly very dark acts might be required to fix it, in some cases...
The Law (letter of the law) makes or made nothing perfect, and far from it and actually makes things much worse, much more sinful, much more dark for mankind...
I don't know if it was a time of saving, maybe only sparing for some IDK...? The Law was given to us to our sin worse, and is that way a curse upon us, if we try to follow and obey the letter of the law, and God brought it upon us and gave it to us in anger back then... So then, the letter of the law is the source of Gods' curse and wrath upon us...
It was not meant to better, improve, or make anything better in any way, at any time, and actually was meant to make things worse...
And very bad, that is why you see so much darkness in the OT...
We are supposed to be free of that now, but I wonder if we really are or will (be)...
If we forget the past we are doomed to repeat it or may have to go through it again, and again, and again...
Who knows...?
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All the law can do is expose mankind's sin, give you the knowledge of sin and put a curse upon you and condemn you... It cannot save you or make anything perfect and will actually have the opposite effect if try to follow and do it by the letter of it...
So, why did, or why would God do that to us back then...? Curse us like that, deceive us like that, some might say...? Cause us (and our sin) to be and become much and much more worse, much faster and quicker then it would normally happen... How is that love...?
What was the purpose of all that back then, with God and us...?
It is shown how it is Love in and by it's being fulfilled in Jesus Christ... For we know the law was only meant to pave the way for Jesus Christ... We had to have something to be saved from to need a savior, and that is the letter or curse of the law, and the judgement it brings upon all of us...
God causing sin in the OT to get very, very much bad and much worse, and abound, quicker, faster, was/is an act of love, his bringing a curse upon us was and act of Love, and we will not fully understand God until we know or understand that...
God Bless!
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Now, in my previous writings I have purposed to bring to light that Adam was created for to purpose the first covenant, this is why his nakedness was covered by animal skin, and this also is the reason as to why Israel was celebrated into the Sabbath referring their Rest to the Rest of Genesis(Exodus 20:8-11)
And so, if these things of the old covenant be a shadow of the things of the new covenant(Colossians 2:17), how would we relate them unto this House(Church) of the Word of God?
For we know that God meant to build Himself a Spiritual House in us, but first He had to layout the plan of the House(Blue print), even in Adam, so that at the time appointed He might establish the House in Christ Jesus.
Wouldn't He then not follow His own plan(blue print) to establish the House? God forbid, yet He follows the details written in blue print.
The old covenant is fulfilled in the new covenant. Every detail in the old covenant has it's establishment in the new. It may not be implemented in the exact way as it was in the flesh, but it sure is settled in the law of the Spirit in Christ Jesus.
It's our job to seek the Kingdom of God, it's our job to seek the effect of Christ in these things. When He said ask and it shall be given you, He wasn't talking about men which ask of him in the flesh, but He was talking about men which ask of him in these things pertaining to the Spirit.
We cannot be made clean in the blood of animals, now that the perfect blood has been given;
we cannot rest in the Rest of the of Adam, now that the perfect Rest has been promised in Christ after His finished work of Salvation is completed.
For by acknowledging the Way of God after His blue print in the old covenant, we are given to see this.
God bless you all.
And so, if these things of the old covenant be a shadow of the things of the new covenant(Colossians 2:17), how would we relate them unto this House(Church) of the Word of God?
For we know that God meant to build Himself a Spiritual House in us, but first He had to layout the plan of the House(Blue print), even in Adam, so that at the time appointed He might establish the House in Christ Jesus.
Wouldn't He then not follow His own plan(blue print) to establish the House? God forbid, yet He follows the details written in blue print.
The old covenant is fulfilled in the new covenant. Every detail in the old covenant has it's establishment in the new. It may not be implemented in the exact way as it was in the flesh, but it sure is settled in the law of the Spirit in Christ Jesus.
It's our job to seek the Kingdom of God, it's our job to seek the effect of Christ in these things. When He said ask and it shall be given you, He wasn't talking about men which ask of him in the flesh, but He was talking about men which ask of him in these things pertaining to the Spirit.
We cannot be made clean in the blood of animals, now that the perfect blood has been given;
we cannot rest in the Rest of the of Adam, now that the perfect Rest has been promised in Christ after His finished work of Salvation is completed.
For by acknowledging the Way of God after His blue print in the old covenant, we are given to see this.
God bless you all.
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How can cursing us with a curse (like that) can be an act of Love in the end...?
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This post is exactly what is wrong with the church today. There is no unification only different factions that say if group B doesn't do what group A does they are all going to hell or that those others are lost sheep and we should pray for them to see the "truth" ( which could just be wrong interpretation) and vice versa. There are churches that I believe leave out important core fundamentals like baptism in Jesus name. I pray that God will finally unify the church from what it has become because it needs it and the truth desperately. Not someones personal interpretation. Everyone has there own interpretation but that doesn't make it fact.
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Everything is as it should be. We have the Word of God. Martin Luther helped bring the world out of the dark ages (scripture wise)
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Well that is not true brother. If you have no law then you have no knowledge of what sin is?
ROMANS 3:20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
ROMANS 7:7, What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, you shall not covet.
JAMES 2:10-11 [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.[11], For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.
There was not darkness in the OLD COVENANT. People were saved in the same way that we are saved today and that is by FAITH *HEBREWS 11. The difference is that the sin offerings from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 pointed forward to the coming of the Messaiah his death, resurrection and role as our great high Priest in the heavenly Sanctuary and God's plan of salvation under the NEW COVENANT. Now we look back by faith to Jesus under the NEW COVENANT of LOVE *HEBREWS 8:10-12.
Your mixing up your scriptures. The scripture you part quote is from HEBREWS 7:11-19. This is talking about the laws of the Levitical Priesthood not the 10 commandments. This being said God's LAW (10 Commandments) makes nothing perfect. It is simply the standard of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; JAMES 2:10-11; PSALMS 119:172. You cannot attain to it and you cannot get RIGHTEOUSNESS from it. It shows us our need of Christ that we might be forgiven by Faith. *GALATIANS 3:22-25.
If you have no LAW you have no KNOWLEDGE of what sin is.
If you have no KNOWLEDGE of what sin you do not know your a sinner in need of a Saviour
If you have no need of a Saviour you have no salvation.
If you have no salvation you are lost.
Hope this helps...
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JOHN 4:23-24
[23], But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeks such to worship him.
[24], God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
There is only unity in the Truth of God's WORD. You will not find it and any other place.
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What are my thoughts?
i) That the church is all Christians; all who have been born again, accepted Jesus a Saviour and Lord and have received his Holy Spirit, who affirms that they are children of God.
ii) Jesus told the Pharisees that he had come to fulfill the law and the prophets.
Jesus fulfilled the sacrifices that needed to be offered for sin and guilt, was a thanksgiving offering to God and the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world, John 1:29. Clearly we don't offer animal sacrifices according to the Jewish law - even the Jews don't do that. WE don't offer them because Jesus' sacrifice fulfilled these laws.
iii) The Israelites were commanded not to eat certain foods, not to wear clothes with mixed fibres and refrain from touching people with skin conditions or who were bleeding. This was to show that they were keeping themselves pure and holy. But Jesus, who was sinless even though he touched people with skin conditions, has made us holy by giving us his Holy Spirit, and purified us from sin by dying so that we could be forgiven and reconciled to God.
iv) If you are saying that Christians need to keep all the OT laws, how do you apply that? As I said, Jesus has fulfilled those pertaining to forgiveness and holiness.
v) If you are saying that Christians need to keep ALL the OT laws, then according to Paul, you are saying that Christ died for nothing.
vi) Do you keep ALL the OT laws - including, not trimming your beard, rising in the presence of older people, not going near women at certain times of the month and stoning anyone who does not keep the Sabbath?
vii) Or is this thread just a way of bashing people who don't keep Saturday as a Sabbath day?
The NT says that if you keep the law you have to keep ALL of it - if you break one little bit, you are guilty of breaking all of it. So you may keep the 7th day as a Sabbath, in the belief that you have to keep ALL the laws, but if you fail to keep every other command, you are still a lawbreaker and no better than someone who observes the Sabbath on a Sunday, (which presumably you think is a sin.)
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Yes no more sacrifices are necessary. So scratch one commandment. What about circumcision? Do we still need to be circumcised? If not please explain why.
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Old covenant:
And if we are careful to obey all this law before the Lord our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.’ Deut6:25
New covenant:
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in] Jesus Christ to all who believe Rom3:21&22
And if we are careful to obey all this law before the Lord our God, as he has commanded us, that will be our righteousness.’ Deut6:25
New covenant:
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in] Jesus Christ to all who believe Rom3:21&22
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The Church described in the NT is where Christians can take their disagreements and they would be settled.
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It is a bit more difficult when you have 40,000 different denominations to choose from. What happens if there is a disagreement between Christians of differing denominations? Who settles the disagreement then?
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