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[mmksparbud]

I don't mind what conclusions you draw about something I said I am not here to discuss.
Sola scripture declares the law is written in the heart by the Spirit of the living God
Sola scripture declares through the law we become conscious of sin. it does not say through the law you may or may not be conscious of sin. I can tell you, I have never had any consciousness of sin by not following a Saturday sabbath. So if that law is written in believers minds and placed on their hearts, according to sola scripture you would have to believe I could not be a Christian
But here is your problem. Your denomination accepts as Christians people who have no consciousness of sin about not following a Saturday sabbath, so you have to jettison sola scripture, rather than admit your church is in error. I guess it shows which is more important

What part of post # 581 do you have a problem with?

 

[Karola]

What part of post # 581 do you have a problem with?

The law is not written in ink for the believer, or engraved on stone. And why did you not respond to what I wrote? According to sola scripture, you should not consider anyone a Christian if they are not conscious they sin by failing to follow a Saturday sabbath. But as your denomination does accept people like me as Christians, you must jettison sola scripture, rather than admit your church is in error. It shows what is more important to you

 

[mmksparbud]

I don't mind what conclusions you draw about something I said I am not here to discuss.
Sola scripture declares the law is written in the heart by the Spirit of the living God
Sola scripture declares through the law we become conscious of sin. it does not say through the law you may or may not be conscious of sin. I can tell you, I have never had any consciousness of sin by not following a Saturday sabbath. So if that law is written in believers minds and placed on their hearts, according to sola scripture you would have to believe I could not be a Christian
But here is your problem. Your denomination accepts as Christians people who have no consciousness of sin about not following a Saturday sabbath, so you have to jettison sola scripture, rather than admit your church is in error. I guess it shows which is more important

And they have no conscience problem with going to nudist colonies and worshiping God in the nude--same principle--same thing--no difference. And you have everything twisted around in your effort to argue for the sake of arguing against an SDA and if you feel Christianity is lead by the Spirit into nude worship--that is your right. I do not happen to think that this a what God has in mind for worship, but you are free to do whatever you want--If you feel you are led by the Spirit-then go for it. They are every bit as much a Christian as you are. I'll pass, thanks. Don't forget the hanky.

 

[Karola]

And they have no conscience problem with going to nudist colonies and worshiping God in the nude--same principle--same thing--no difference. And you have everything twisted around in your effort to argue for the sake of arguing against an SDA and if you feel Christianity is lead by the Spirit into nude worship--that is your right. I do not happen to think that this a what God has in mind for worship, but you are free to do whatever you want--If you feel you are led by the Spirit-then go for it. They are every bit as much a Christian as you are. I'll pass, thanks. Don't forget the hanky.

Of course you have no choice but to deflect, and say I believe things I have passed no comment on. I have nothing twisted around, I am following sola scripture, you are not

 

[mmksparbud]

According to sola scripture, you should not consider anyone a Christian if they are not conscious they sin by failing to follow a Saturday sabbath.

Thank you for defining what you think a Christian should do. I, nor any other SDA, has ever said anyone that does not follow a Saturday Sabbath is not a Christian. I am sorry to see you feel that way. I happen to think Catholics are Christian, my best friend is one.

 

[Karola]

Thank you for defining what you think a Christian should do. I, nor any other SDA, has ever said anyone that does not follow a Saturday Sabbath is not a Christian. I am sorry to see you feel that way. I happen to think Catholics are Christian, my best friend is one.

But this is where you must ignore sola scripture, or not understand the covenant the Christian is under.
The law is written in the heart by the Spirit of the living God. Through the law we become conscious of sin. That is sola scripture. So if it is written in the heart by the Spirit of the living God, you must follow a Saturday sabbath, you have to be conscious you sin by not following it. So you have to jettison sola scripture don't you

 

[mmksparbud]

But there is where you must ignore sola scripture, or not understand the covenant the Christian is under.
The law is written in the heart by the Spirit of the living God. Through the law we become conscious of sin. That is sola scripture. So if it is written in the heart you must follow a Saturday sabbath, you have to be conscious you sin by not following it. So you have to jettison sola scripture don't you

The Holy Sprit will convict on the Sabbath question at the right time. You are free to define sola scriptura to suit your theories--. We do not feel that Sunday worshipers are lost, we do not feel they are not Christian--we also do not worship naked nor go to nudist colonies, if you feel that is being led by the Spirit then I leave that between you and God. I will not judge you for it----in the winter is a coat allowed or do you just hike up the thermostat??

 

[Karola]

The Holy Sprit will convict on the Sabbath question at the right time. You are free to define sola scriptura to suit your theories--. We do not feel that Sunday worshipers are lost, we do not feel they are not Christian--we also do not worship naked nor go to nudist colonies, if you feel that is being led by the Spirit then I leave that between you and God. I will not judge you for it----in the winter is a coat allowed or do you just hike up the thermostat??

I'm fine with you inferring I have said things I have not said. But it is a pity you feel the need to do that.
So the Holy Spirit will convict concerning the sabbath at the right time? So the Holy Spirit will, in your view sit back and allow people to happily keep breaking law/sinning you believe is written in the heart, until he feels the time is right to convict believers. Why would he do that?
It is not me defining sola scripture, I am simply repeating what it states

 

[mmksparbud]

I'm fine with you inferring I have said things I have not said. But it is a pity you feel the need to do that.
So the Holy Spirit will convict concerning the sabbath at the right time? So the Holy Spirit will, in your view sit back and allow people to happily keep breaking law/sinning you believe is written in the heart, until he feels the time is right to convict believers. Why would he do that?
It is not me defining sola scripture, I am simply repeating what it states

I understand----I feel EXACTLY the same way when others infer something I have not said---repeatedly.
Apparently the Holy Spirit has not convicted anyone in the nudist colony that it is inappropriate.
As to why--I do not know. The preacher in the video was rather "corpulent" and not a pleasant sight. I hope He convicts soon.
And actually no--you were repeating what you think sola scriptura should mean for me.

 

[Karola]

I understand----I feel EXACTLY the same way when others infer something I have not said---repeatedly.
Apparently the Holy Spirit has not convicted anyone in the nudist colony that it is inappropriate.
As to why--I do not know. The preacher in the video was rather "corpulent" and not a pleasant sight. I hope He convicts soon.

I copied one of your comments, and repeated another one I read of yours. That is simply quoting, or referring to what you had previously written.
You see when it comes to it, sda do not really follow sola scripture, do they. And though they keep quoting you must obey the commandments, if you break one you break them all, I would leave you with something. The commandments say: Thou shalt not, full stop

 

[mmksparbud]

I copied one of your comments, and repeated another one I read of yours. That is simply quoting, or referring to what you had previously written.
You see when it comes to it, sda do not really follow sola scripture, do they. And though they keep quoting you must obey the commandments, if you break one you break them all, I would leave you with something. The commandments say: Thou shalt not, full stop

I am glad to know that you do not sin---may we all follow in your steps.

As for

So the Holy Spirit will, in your view sit back and allow people to happily keep breaking law/sinning you believe is written in the heart, until he feels the time is right to convict believers.

He brought the reformers out of RCC --it did take a few 1000 years for some truths to be revealed. Calvin didn't have all the info, nor did Luther, nor...….it has been a ladder. God reveals what He feels He needs to at the time He feels it is right.

 

[Karola]

I am glad to know that you do not sin---may we all follow in your steps.

As for


He brought the reformers out of RCC --it did take a few 1000 years for some truths to be revealed. Calvin didn't have all the info, nor did Luther, nor...….it has been a ladder. God reveals what He feels He needs to at the time He feels it is right.

So now you claim I have stated I do not sin. Please show me where I stated that.
And your view is interesting, that the Holy Spirit will sit back whilst you happily break one of the Ten Commandments and choose not to convict you of sin concerning it until some time in the future

 

[bekkilyn]

Less creative writing - more attention to details in the discussion please.

So you *do* believe that God is limited by scripture then. Why else would you deflect rather than answering with a "no"?

My claim is that God's Word can be trusted and those who choose "their own feelings" instead, may then go on to rely on sola-creative-writing or sola-emotional-statement since they "feel" that God's Word does not have as much value as "feelings".

The problem there is that Muslims and Hindus also have "feelings". Sola-feelings is in fact "shifting sand"

Scripture can indeed be trusted for the PURPOSES for which it was written. The Mosaic law that includes the ten commandments was written for the purpose of a covenant between God and the Israelites there in person at Sinai and *their* generations. The covenant was so that they would be able to remain in the land that God had promised them. First, the Israelites broke that covenant, many times, and second, the old heaven and earth (representing Jerusalem) was destroyed in AD 70, so all the jots and tittles no longer apply, even to them. And Gentiles have never been under that covenant.

We have the Holy Spirit now for conviction of sin and the law that you keep trying to yoke people into is rendered obsolete. All of this is supported by scripture throughout the new testament. Many have pointed out many specific verses to you and to other SDA, but you either ignore it, claim we are lying or making things up, deflect, or respond by posting a concordance of cherry-picked verses that do not apply to the question at hand.

So while scripture is authoritative in its proper application and context, you can't deny that God does choose to communicate with people through prayer and other ways. Or maybe *you* can or do because you seem to have an obligation to limit God to be entirely bound by scripture as if the scripture itself is God.

Full trust in Jesus is what is required, a desire to seek his will in all things. No supplemental laws required. The law cannot save you. Only Jesus can.

 

[bekkilyn]

There you go again. Christians do commit known sins---If they know to do right and do it not--than it is sin. Sinning through ignorance is not yet accredited to them as sin, if they do not know it is a sin! If they know and keep o doing it--it is sin. For some--there can be a little bit of time from the time of their ignorance to the time that they have been shown their sin. Some Christians will block out the leading of the Holy Spirit through their own stubbornness, their refusal to give up what they have been show to be sin. They will justify that they do not feel they are sinning. There was a thread not too long ago---Christians going to church---naked. They felt there was nothi8nbg wrong with mixed nudity and attending services in the nude. The Holy Spirit didn't tell them it is wrong, therefore it is not wrong. The bible did not say anywhere "do not go around naked' so therefore they can do it. Many Christians agreed with them.

Wow, how did I miss *that* thread?

 

[BobRyan]

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You see when it comes to it, sda do not really follow sola scripture, do they.

Normally I love "creative writing" -- but on a thread like this one - I prefer actual facts.

 

[mmksparbud]

So now you claim I have stated I do not sin. Please show me where I stated that.
And your view is interesting, that the Holy Spirit will sit back whilst you happily break one of the Ten Commandments and choose not to convict you of sin concerning it until some time in the future

So you feel that Calvin had everything correct? And it took how many years to get to what he found? He did not, has not, convicted the RCC of a great many things that you feel are not biblical. He did not convict Calvin of some things, if this is a problem for you--you will have to take it up with God.

What part of what Jesus said do you disagree with?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments HANG all the law and the prophets.

Again--Apollos had to be informed of some things he was not aware of---
Act 18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

 

[mmksparbud]

Wow, how did I miss *that* thread?

Just lucky--I guess.

 

[Karola]

Normally I love "creative writing" -- but on a thread like this one - I prefer actual facts.

You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.2corinthians3:3

 

[Karola]

So you feel that Calvin had everything correct? And it took how many years to get to what he found? He did not, has not, convicted the RCC of a great many things that you feel are not biblical. He did not convict Calvin of some things, if this is a problem for you--you will have to take it up with God.

What part of what Jesus said do you disagree with?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments HANG all the law and the prophets.

Again--Apollos had to be informed of some things he was not aware of---
Act 18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.

You haven't told me yet where I claimed not to commit sin. Now you are telling me I believe everything Calvin wrote, please try and curb your enthusiasm to what I have actually stated. Thou shalt not bear false witness is written on your heart isn't it?. As sda like to quote James2:10, stumble at one point concerning the law and you have broken all of it

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan said: ↑
And God the Holy Spirit is the author of scripture -- 2 Tim 3:16 , 2 Peter 1:20-21. No amount of attempting to pit God's Word against God - will ever survive the light of day."

So your claim is that God is *limited* by scripture then

Less creative writing - more attention to details in the discussion please.

My claim is that Jesus (the whole Trinity) is not limited by scripture

My claim is that God's Word can be trusted and those who choose "their own feelings" instead, may then go on to rely on sola-creative-writing or sola-emotional-statement since they "feel" that God's Word does not have as much value as "feelings".

The problem there is that Muslims and Hindus also have "feelings". Sola-feelings is in fact "shifting sand"

So you *do* believe that God is limited by scripture then.

So there a point where your creative writing in response to a post - has anything at all to do with the post you are responding to??

Scripture can indeed be trusted for the PURPOSES for which it was written.

Ahh yes that is true. And that purpose is "doctrine, correction and instruction in righteousness" 2 Tim 3:16

2 Timothy 3:16 King James Version (KJV)

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 3:16 New King James Version (NKJV) 16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

2 Timothy 3:16 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

The Mosaic law that includes the ten commandments was written for the purpose of a covenant ... Many have pointed out many specific verses to you and to other SDA,

And all of Christendom "knows better" than to go for that "creative writing"?
"not - just SDAs"

"Sin IS transgression of the LAW" 1 John 3:4 EVEN in the NT
"The LAW written on heart and mind" Jer 31:31-33 IS the NEW Covenant in the OT and is UNCHANGED in the NT - Hebrew 8:6-12

That "moral law of God" includes ALL TEN of the TEN Commandments as we see in Eph 6:2 and as all of Christendom freely admits "not - just SDAs"

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.