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(Please note: I am a Theistic Evolutionist - I believe God created the world via evolution)

I have found a beautiful Youtube Video, showing the timelapse of the entire universe from big bang to humans. Watching this video, it really struck me just how big and amazing God is; his incredible power in how he created everything from the vast down to us. I really see His handiwork through this video.

Tear-jerking points in the video for me: The Big bang itself (it really feels like God saying "let there be light!), the ignition and birth of our sun, and then the emergence of complex life after snowball earth through to the end of the video.

What do you think of the video? Do you agree how unbelievably great this shows God to be? PS - at the bottom of the video screen you can see the amount of time passing. (please ignore the comments as they are poisonous as always)

 

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(Please note: I am a Theistic Evolutionist - I believe God created the world via evolution)

You mean that He created life through evolution, right? As the earth and the universe formed other ways.
 
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If you believe in evolution, how do you believe in God? I would seriously like to know?

Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."

Don't let the variation within Kinds

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Confuse you into believing one Kind becomes another Kind....

At all places where this is claimed to occur, they insert the famous "missing" common ancestor.....
 
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So, let's look at this logically.

Let's assume cosmologists are correct that in the beginning the universe rapidly expanded faster than light. This would place the fully mature galaxies that God made in the beginning at their present distances, and explain the mature galaxies we have observed at the furthest reaches that they are unable to explain.

Now remember, they use cosmological redshift to calculate distance, but Hubble's law demands that recessional velocity be directly correlated to distance. yet they claim the redshift is due to space expansion, not recessional velocity. So in reality they are unable to accurately calculate distances based upon this redshift.

What they see is the redshift of light caused when God "stretched out the heavens like a curtain" or fabric. Hence their talk of spacetime as a fabric. So the Bible talked about the expansion of space before science had even formulated that such an idea was possible.

But not randomly from a dense singularity, but out of nothing, in complete formation. This is why they are finding mature galaxies at the furthest reaches where instead they should only be seeing the first stars starting to form according to their theory. Instead they are seeing the galaxies exactly like they were created at the begining, because they are not seeing them as they were 13 billion years ago, but a mere 6,000 as they were strecthed to their current location faster than c, so the light we see is only 6,000 years old. Then creation stopped. But we are seeing what appears to be continued expansion as the light we see is still trying to catch up to when the space was expanded. In 13 billion years we will finally see the light as they exist today, which was emitted slightly less than 6,000 years ago.

remember, light was still being emitted as they were stretched faster than c to their current position, so light would exist along their entire path, just shifted to the red end of the spectrum. The light from their first moments has already passed us, it was visible on day 4. Then expansion began.

  1. Job 9:7 Who commands the sun not to shine, and sets a seal upon the stars; 8 Who alone stretches out the heavens and tramples down the waves of the sea;
  2. Psalm 104:2 Covering yourself with light as with a cloak, stretching out heaven like a tent curtain.
  3. Isaiah 40:22 It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, who stretches out the heavens like a curtain and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in
  4. Isaiah 42: 5 Thus says God the Lord, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and its offspring, who gives breath to the people on it…
  5. Isaiah 45:12 It is I who made the earth, and created man upon it. I stretched out the heavens with my hand and I ordained all their host.
  6. Jeremiah 10:12 It is He who made the earth by His power, who established the world by His wisdom; and by his understanding he has stretched out the heavens.
  7. Zechariah 12:1 The burden of the world of the Lord concerning Israel. Thus declares the Lord who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth and forms the spirit of man within him.
 
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If you believe in evolution, how do you believe in God? I would seriously like to know?

Matthew 19:4 "And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,"

Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female."

That's referring to humans. There was never a time in our evolutionary history when humans were genderless and reproduced asexually.
 
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That's referring to humans. There was never a time in our evolutionary history when humans were genderless and reproduced asexually.
There was never a time anything in history period was genderless and reproduced asexually except for bacteria which still do..... and those few others that have always done so....
 
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There was never a time anything in history period was genderless and reproduced asexually except for bacteria which still do..... and those few others that have always done so....
. Mitochondria are purple bacteria ( alpha proteobacteria) . Humans ,in fact, all multicellular organisms are an amalgam of several different organisms . Some of these still have separate DNA with evidence of a different lineage from the nuclear DNA ( mitochondria and chloroplasts ) . Some unicellular eucaryotes are an amalgam of up to 5 other organisms. The original cell membranes are still there and in at least one case the nuclear membrane still exists . Plastid endosymbiosis is a fact
 
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. Mitochondria are purple bacteria ( alpha proteobacteria) . Humans ,in fact, all multicellular organisms are an amalgam of several different organisms . Some of these still have separate DNA with evidence of a different lineage from the nuclear DNA ( mitochondria and chloroplasts ) . Some unicellular eucaryotes are an amalgam of up to 5 other organisms. The original cell membranes are still there and in at least one case the nuclear membrane still exists . Plastid endosymbiosis is a fact
Just a misinterpretation of the data....

No sorry, humans are humans, apes are apes, finches are finches, etc, etc, etc.

That people confuse shared design similarities as ancestry is pretty sad.
 
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Your silly argument first showed in the 1990s after scientists confirmed that mice humans squid and flies shared major bodyplan genes . Well I suppose that‘s better than the atomic theory denial of the late 1700s because plants can’t possibly share the same type of atoms as animals or with humans. Creationists- moving the goalposts since the 1700s!
 
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Your silly argument first showed in the 1990s after scientists confirmed that mice humans squid and flies shared major bodyplan genes . Well I suppose that‘s better than the atomic theory denial of the late 1700s because plants can’t possibly share the same type of atoms as animals or with humans. Creationists- moving the goalposts since the 1700s!

Why can't they???????

Are not they made up of the same protons, electrons and neutrons that make up everything? Why should we not expect them to share basic similarities??????

I would expect nothing but shared similarities on every level from a common design plan for life on this planet..... No imagined common ancestry needed, just the simple realization that the same basic components make up everything.....

Nothing was disproved, in fact you have simply proved common design.....
 
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So, let's look at this logically.

Let's assume cosmologists are correct that in the beginning the universe rapidly expanded faster than light. This would place the fully mature galaxies that God made in the beginning at their present distances, and explain the mature galaxies we have observed at the furthest reaches that they are unable to explain.

Now remember, they use cosmological redshift to calculate distance, but Hubble's law demands that recessional velocity be directly correlated to distance. yet they claim the redshift is due to space expansion, not recessional velocity. So in reality they are unable to accurately calculate distances based upon this redshift.

What they see is the redshift of light caused when God "stretched out the heavens like a curtain" or fabric. Hence their talk of spacetime as a fabric. So the Bible talked about the expansion of space before science had even formulated that such an idea was possible.

But not randomly from a dense singularity, but out of nothing, in complete formation. This is why they are finding mature galaxies at the furthest reaches where instead they should only be seeing the first stars starting to form according to their theory. Instead they are seeing the galaxies exactly like they were created at the begining, because they are not seeing them as they were 13 billion years ago, but a mere 6,000 as they were strecthed to their current location faster than c, so the light we see is only 6,000 years old. Then creation stopped. But we are seeing what appears to be continued expansion as the light we see is still trying to catch up to when the space was expanded. In 13 billion years we will finally see the light as they exist today, which was emitted slightly less than 6,000 years ago.

remember, light was still being emitted as they were stretched faster than c to their current position, so light would exist along their entire path, just shifted to the red end of the spectrum. The light from their first moments has already passed us, it was visible on day 4. Then expansion began.

  1. Job 9:7 Who commands the sun not to shine, and sets a seal upon the stars; 8 Who alone stretches out the heavens and tramples down the waves of the sea;
  2. Psalm 104:2 Covering yourself with light as with a cloak, stretching out heaven like a tent curtain.
  3. Isaiah 40:22 It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, who stretches out the heavens like a curtain and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in
  4. Isaiah 42: 5 Thus says God the Lord, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spread out the earth and its offspring, who gives breath to the people on it…
  5. Isaiah 45:12 It is I who made the earth, and created man upon it. I stretched out the heavens with my hand and I ordained all their host.
  6. Jeremiah 10:12 It is He who made the earth by His power, who established the world by His wisdom; and by his understanding he has stretched out the heavens.
  7. Zechariah 12:1 The burden of the world of the Lord concerning Israel. Thus declares the Lord who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth and forms the spirit of man within him.

So fantastic....

First make a bunch of claims flying in the face of sience.
Then post bible verses as evidence.

Golden.
 
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There was never a time anything in history period was genderless and reproduced asexually except for bacteria which still do..... and those few others that have always done so....


:D

"There was never someone doing x, except those doing x"
 
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Why can't they???????

Are not they made up of the same protons, electrons and neutrons that make up everything? Why should we not expect them to share basic similarities??????

I would expect nothing but shared similarities on every level from a common design plan for life on this planet..... No imagined common ancestry needed, just the simple realization that the same basic components make up everything.....

Nothing was disproved, in fact you have simply proved common design.....
did you read what I wrote? Creationists denied that plants and animals were made of the same atoms because of separate creation.
 
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So fantastic....

First make a bunch of claims flying in the face of sience.
Then post bible verses as evidence.

Golden.
Says the person making a bunch of claims flying in the face of science.....

While ignoring that the Bible predicted expansion long before scientists ever dreamed the reality.......

Oh wait, that's how you got expansion wasn't it, a priest had to tell you and describe creation for you.....
 
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did you read what I wrote? Creationists denied that plants and animals were made of the same atoms because of separate creation.

Did you read what I wrote? Who cares what some have said? Scientists once said the earth was the center of the universe, remember Ptolemy with his scientific and mathematical epicycles? So we agree that creationists nor scientists always have the truth.....

Your point being????? Unlike you I don't follow the common herd like sheep just because that is what I am told to believe......
 
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:D

"There was never someone doing x, except those doing x"

I agree, so why try to bring asexual reproduction into the picture as if that was first, since you agree only those doing x did x...... and those not doing x don't do x.....

Your point being??????
 
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