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No faith until after Gutenberg's 1455 AD Bible? Bummer. All those lost souls.
HEBREWS 11
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No faith until after Gutenberg's 1455 AD Bible? Bummer. All those lost souls.
They didn't have Bibles either. You are obviously not of the faith of Abraham, right? You are Bible-dependent. Maybe you need to join BA? (bibles anonymous) For biblaholics.HEBREWS 11
They didn't have Bibles either. You are obviously not of the faith of Abraham, right? You are Bible-dependent. Maybe you need to join BA? (bibles anonymous) For biblaholics.
How did they know it? Not by reading it in the Bible. This is where you have failed.Of course they had God's WORD in the OLD TESTAMENT you need to read your bible more. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD of GOD. How could those saved by faith in HEBREWS 11 be saved if they did not know the WORD of GOD?
How did they know it? Not by reading it in the Bible. This is where you have failed.
I t m e a n s t h a t i f y o u d i d n ' t h a v e a b i b l e - y o u w o u l d b e t o a s tRead this slowly and tell me what you think it means?
FAITH COME BY HEARING AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD *ROMANS 10:17
Aww nope Steve you have a wrong understanding of the scriptures here is your problem. ROMANS 10:17 is saying that FAITH COMES BY HEARING the WORD of GOD. So when there was no bibles the WORD was spoken and people heard it but where did they hear it from? The WORD of God.I t m e a n s t h a t i f y o u d i d n ' t h a v e a b i b l e - y o u w o u l d b e t o a s t
So, why can't you hear his voice? Not a sheep? Baaa…Aww nope Steve you have a wrong understanding of the scriptures here is your problem. ROMANS 10:17 is saying that FAITH COMES BY HEARING the WORD of GOD. So when there was no bibles the WORD was spoken and people heard it but where did they hear it from? The WORD of God.
God's sheep hear his Voice (the Word)
DeleteDo any abide in CHRIST if a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come and they turn away from it? John says it is obedience to God's LAW through love that is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 JOHN 3:9-10.
Is it possible for one to abide in Christ and turn away?
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
The reason I asked was because the word 'power' doesn't appear in the version I consider best for bible study (the NASB). The word there is translated 'authority', but I see other versions translate it power - which gives the impression of 'dunamis', supernatural miracle-working power. However the actual word used is 'exousian' which is power in the sense of having authority.
BDAG Lexicon
① a state of control over someth., freedom of choice, right
② potential or resource to command, control, or govern, capability, might, power
So Simon was wanting the authority to impart gifts. Notice that Simon was not seeking to be baptised in the Spirit. He wanted to buy the same authority (or power) as Peter had to impart the Spirit. The BoS itself is not a form of power.
Being filled and being baptized are completely different terms. One is external, the other internal.
The disciples were both filled and baptized at Pentecost. The were baptized in the Spirit and made part of the body of Christ, the church (1 Cor 12:13), and they were also also filled with the Spirit coming under His influence (Eph 5:18).
No they are not synonymous. All believers are baptized in the Spirit at conversion - it is the beleivers placement into the body of Christ. 1 Cor 12:13 "For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body" . There is no indication of this being a repeated event. Like water baptism (which is an outward picture of this inner baptism) it is a one-off initiation event.
Being FILLED with the Spirit, however, can happen repeatedly. Eph 5:18 "but be filled with the Spirit", the tense of 'filled' is present imperative ie. be continually filled.
Peter was filled at Pentecost, he was filled again when he stood before the Sanhedrin in Acts 4:8, and filled again in Acts 4:31. Paul was filled in Acts 9:17, and again in Acts 13:9. Stephen was filled in Acts 6:3-5, and again in Acts 7:55.
What characterizes each of those filling events in scripture was not tongues, but boldness. Only one involved tongues (Pentecost), so tongues cannot be said to be a characteristic of being filled with the Spirit.
Paul's conversion took place on the Damascus Road not when he was filled with the Spirit in Acts 9:17.
Not, what I meant...you are saying that the truth is your knowledge...you believe you receive the Spirit to keep the Law. And one who has not received "your truth" doesn't abide in Christ. ....Of course you can turn away if you do not abide in Christ *1 JOHN 3:6; JOHN 15:4-6
It is not hos view but Ms White's. She is the SDAs Joseph Smith.Not, what I meant...you are saying that the truth is your knowledge...you believe you receive the Spirit to keep the Law. And one who has not received "your truth" doesn't abide in Christ. ....
power is the preferred english translation. Words can't be understood in a lexicon vacuum and they have contextual meaning. Simon was some sort of sorcerer or learnt in a degree in performing magic. He is interested in power, authority would be arbitrary to him without the manifestation so it is really the manifestation he was looking for. The word "power" however is contextually based on Simon's perception and the BoS is not a magic wand or incantation. But its manifestation are a sense of increase and this is the "power" I am referring to.
You are superimposing 1 Cor 12 over Acts. Acts doesn't need 1 Cor 12-14 as it's interpreter and it may stand alone. Acts reveals to us what the baptism of the Holy Spirit looks like. When you force the rules of 1 Cor 12-14 it then forces a different understanding outside of the natural with many areas of tension. The Epistles were written before Acts and Paul does not write the his letter to the Corinthians so they may understand Acts better.
so was Paul baptised with the Spirit upon his encounter with Ananias or was it upon his encounter with Christ? What indications does the text tell us? If you force 1 Cor 12 over it how does this change these indications? Which is more responsible? Is the text so difficult that you need Paul to hold your hand?
Thanks for your post. But I will have to disagree."I shared a few near the bottom of the OP. Was there a specific kind of tongues you wanted to discuss?
Part of the problem is that the Bible says very little about the subject. "
My point was simply to say this. Whenever I see mention of Speaking In Tongues in the Book Of Acts ... I see this as a reference to speaking in foreign languages. It is clear from the surrounding passages, that people from other lands and cities understood the words. They did not need an 'interpretation'. The words the spectators heard were in their own native languages.
For example, if you suddenly stood up and said The Book Of Romans in Russian .. and someone from Moscow understood you ... that is what I am saying. And it would be a true miracle, if you had never heard a word of the Russian language.
In all passages in Acts, I see the same thing. People from other cities understood immediatwly.
I believe that some Protestant churches have gone astray in their teachings. I see no value in saying gibberish to God. And I dont believe that God does either. If a person goes to Home Depot and tries to buy something .. and speaks in gibberish .. the police will ask for a medical evaluation of that person.
So why should church be any different?
God already knows our hearts and minds. We dont need to scramble sounds to talk to Him.
Just my thoughts on this.
Blessings!
I thought LGW was claiming that. But I might be mistaken. Ask him if any sin is allowed in heaven. That would get his attention.To anyone here claiming anyone said they were sinless, can you please show us where the claim was made?
That's always a favorite way to shoot the messenger in these conversations but it's always assumed and never that I know of, has anyone actually claimed that.
I thought LGW was claiming that. But I might be mistaken. Ask him if any sin is allowed in heaven. That would get his attention.