Did Jesus lie?

[GoldenKingGaze]

This was Tabernacles, an eight day festival. The first half (recorded history)Jesus was with us in secret. Day one is the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. Half way though on the fifth day 2,000 years ago Jesus began to teach / preach openly in public. The fifth and sixth day is the church age, Holy Spirit Dispensation, Time of the Gentiles. The 7 day is the 1,000 year reign of Christ. The 8th day is the New Heavens and the New Earth. Jesus did this as a teaching lesson so we could better understand what the festival of tabernacles represents. The current age we live in took God 6 days and He rested on the 7 th day. Then on the 8th day we find Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. They fell into sin. So God begins a program to restore the Earth and Creation that takes the same amount of time as creation: 7 days or 7,000 years. If a day in Genesis was 24 hours as some suggest then God would have been able to restore the world in 7 24 hour days. We know that this is taking God 7,000 years to accomplish His purpose. The on day 8 there is the New Heavens and the New Earth. Jesus still inhabits the Earth. His kingdom is forever. WE know that in the Kingdom age the Kingdoms of this world are restored onto God. Thy kingdom come thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven.

There is also the appearance of Melchizedek. He brought forth bread and wine, the very things the Catholics retain about the passover.

 

[Dave-W]

What did Jesus mean by "my time is not yet."? In context of their time being anytime and so this does not to them mean death.

It was not time for Him to die yet. And yet if His presence was known at the Feast, it may have sparked a riot in which He would have been killed.

So He goes up later in secret.

 

[Dave-W]

There is also the appearance of Melchizedek. He brought forth bread and wine, the very things the Catholic retain about the passover.

Melchizedek's kiddish had nothing to do with Passover.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

It was not time for Him to die yet. And yet if His presence was known at the Feast, it may have sparked a riot in which He would have been killed.

So He goes up later in secret.

Why then "your time" and "mine"?

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Melchizedek's kiddish had nothing to do with Passover.

I am open minded to see a relationship between Melchizedek's wine and bread and the mass. God reaches out to Catholics and apostolic succession people. I doubt a concise understanding of Biblical prophecy and types of Christ is correct.

 

[Dave-W]

Why then "your time" and "mine"?

May sound a bit cold and crass, but the timing of His brothers' deaths was spiritually unimportant. If they went up and were killed it would not impact the change of Covenants.

 

[Dave-W]

I am open minded to see a relationship between Melchizedek's wine and bread and the mass. God reaches out to Catholics and apostolic succession people.

You need to go farther back than that. Go at least to the 2nd temple period and the use of Kiddish by the early Pharisees, and how that came to be part of the Passover Seder in the first century bc.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

May sound a bit cold and crass, but the timing of His brothers' deaths was spiritually unimportant. If they went up and were killed it would not impact the change of Covenants.

From the verse to the brothers, it looks awkward to suggest they should go up, since anytime was okay for them.

 

[Dave-W]

From the verse to the brothers, it looks awkward to suggest they should go up, since anytime was okay for them.

There is no way to talk to someone about their own death that is not awkward.

 

[joshua 1 9]

There is also the appearance of Melchizedek. He brought forth bread and wine, the very things the Catholic retain about the passover.

We are told that Jesus was slain from the foundation of the world. The point of Melchizedek is that His Priesthood is greater then the Priesthood of Aaron. This is why when Jesus said: Before Abraham was I am, they wanted to pick up stones and stone Him. But He hid himself from them. They trusted in Abraham's covenant with God and Yet He was greater then Abraham.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Melchizedek's kiddish had nothing to do with Passover.

I did a search and came across this:
http://graceandknowledge.faithweb.com/kiddush.html

You may like the reference to Zola Levitt Ministries.

 

[Dave-W]

I did a search and came across this:

The "World Wide Church of God" was a cult group founded by the Armstrongs. I remember hearing Garner Ted Armstrong on the radio when I was a kid.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

The "World Wide Church of God" was a cult group founded by the Armstrongs. I remember hearing Garner Ted Armstrong on the radio when I was a kid.

Okay, I am not a follower of the Armstrongs.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

The "World Wide Church of God" was a cult group founded by the Armstrongs. I remember hearing Garner Ted Armstrong on the radio when I was a kid.

Where does this document mention the Armstrongs?

 

[Dave-W]

Where does this document mention the Armstrongs?

2nd paragraph mentions World Wide Church of God - started by the Armstrongs.

 

[fodare]

This is why you need to figure out it's KJV or bust.

 

[BNR32FAN]

John 7:6-10 NLT
Jesus replied, "Now is not the right time for me to go, but you can go anytime. [7] The world can't hate you, but it does hate me because I accuse it of doing evil. [8] You go on. I'm not going to this festival, because my time has not yet come." [9] After saying these things, Jesus remained in Galilee. [10] But after his brothers left for the festival, Jesus also went, though secretly, staying out of public view.

I think Jesus was lying. Therefore he sinned. Therefore he is not the perfect sacrifice. What is your opinion?
Edit. It seems that some translations differ. E.g. the kjv has a "yet".

In the Greek version Jesus says in verse 5 “you go unto the feast I not go unto the feast this because the my time not accomplished”.

That’s how it’s worded in the Greek. So most likely Jesus didn’t attend the feast.

 

[Dave-W]

That’s how it’s worded in the Greek. So most likely Jesus didn’t attend the feast.

Except as a Jewish male, to NOT attend the Feast would have been a sin. That would have made Him invalid for being our atoning sacrifice.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Except as a Jewish male, to NOT attend the Feast would have been a sin. That would have made Him invalid for being our atoning sacrifice.

You mean according to the Jewish law? We are no longer under the letter of the law we are under the purpose of the law. Was it a sin for Jesus to pardon the apostles for picking grain on the Sabbath? According to the letter of the law yes, but according to the purpose of the law which is to honor God then no.

 

[Dave-W]

You mean according to the Jewish law? We are no longer under the letter of the law we are under the purpose of the law.

Even if you believe that way; (which I do not) I am sure you agree that before the Cross, the Law of Moses was fully in effect. That COMMANDED all Jewish males to be in Jerusalem for 3 feasts per year: Passover, Shavuot (pentecost) and Tabernacles.

Was it a sin for Jesus to pardon the apostles for picking grain on the Sabbath?

He did not pardon them. Read the text. He explained to the critics WHY their actions were NOT SINFUL in the first place. According to the Letter of the Law. He explained it by using the Pharisees' own logic.