THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

[bekkilyn]

because it is only through the WORD of GOD that we can know him who calls us in love to love another.

Assuming that you mean scripture when using the term "WORD of God" this statement is false. When were in personal relationship with Jesus Christ and have the Holy Spirit indwelling within us, there are many ways we come to know him, including, but *not limited to* scripture. If you don't experience this close relationship with Jesus on many different levels, then it's no wonder you don't seem to understand more than what you literally see on a page.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Assuming that you mean scripture when using the term "WORD of God" this statement is false. When were in personal relationship with Jesus Christ and have the Holy Spirit indwelling within us, there are many ways we come to know him, including, but *not limited to* scripture. If you don't experience this close relationship with Jesus on many different levels, then it's no wonder you don't seem to understand more than what you literally see on a page.

Sorry bekkilyn, God's Spirit only works through the Word of God as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD...

JOHN 6:63 [63], IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT GIVES LIFE; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORD'S THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU THEY ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE.

ROMANS 10:17 [17], So then, FAITH COMES BY HEARING AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD.

God's Spirit is the Spirit of truth and you can only KNOW God's truth by seeking Jesus for it through his WORD (John 14:26; 16:13: 7:17; 8:31-36; Hebrews 8:11)

God's WORD disagrees with you.

 

[bekkilyn]

Sorry bekkilyn, God's Spirit only works through the Word of God as we BELIEVE God's WORD...

JOHN 6:63 [63], IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT GIVES LIFE; the flesh profits nothing. THE WORD'S THAT I SPEAK UNTO YOU THEY ARE SPIRIT AND THEY ARE LIFE.

ROMANS 10:17 [17], So then, FAITH COMES BY HEARING AND HEARING BY THE WORD OF GOD.

God's Spirit is the Spirit of truth and you can only KNOW it by seeking Jesus for it through his WORD (John 14:26; 16:13: 7:17; 8:31-36; Hebrews 8:11)

God's WORD disagrees with you.

Maybe you need to define what you mean by "God's WORD" before this goes much further. And I don't mean with bible verses...I mean in your *own* words how *you* understand the term.

Because it sounds like your knowledge of Jesus is entirely academic rather than something you experience with him on a personal level as your personal lord and savior. To be filled with the Holy Spirit is very *real* and not just words on a page.

You should be experiencing God in your life and not just reading about him.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Maybe you need to define what you mean by "God's WORD" before this goes much further. And I don't mean with bible verses...I mean in your *own* words how *you* understand the term.

Because it sounds like your knowledge of Jesus is entirely academic rather than something you experience with him on a personal level as your personal lord and savior. To be filled with the Holy Spirit is very *real* and not just words on a page.

You should be experiencing God in your life and not just reading about him.

Hello bekkilyn,

What is the point? This has been done multiple times and you have ignored it everytime but if it helps. Jesus who is the LIVING WORD has given mankind the gift of his WRITTEN WORD. The written WORD is God's WORD to mankind.

2 TIMOTHY 3:16[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

MATTHEW 4:4 [4], Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[bekkilyn]

Hello bekkilyn,

What is the point? This has been done multiple times and you have ignored it everytime but if it helps. Jesus who is the LIVING WORD has given mankind the gift of his WRITTEN WORD. The written WORD is God's WORD to mankind.

2 TIMOTHY 3:16[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

MATTHEW 4:4 [4], Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

So when you say "God's WORD" you mean his written word every time. Good to finally have that clarified. Thank you.

But the question now is do you experience God's living Word, Jesus, in your life? Not solely when you are reading scripture, but in everything you do, in every moment of every day? Do you feel the joy in having an intimate relationship with him as your very best friend who loves you, who is central to your entire existence? Are you so full of the power of the Holy Spirit that you feel like you're ready to burst from his power?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So when you say "God's WORD" you mean his written word every time. Good to finally have that clarified. Thank you.

But the question now is do you experience God's living Word, Jesus, in your life? Not solely when you are reading scripture, but in everything you do, in every moment of every day? Do you feel the joy in having an intimate relationship with him as your very best friend who loves you, who is central to your entire existence? Are you so full of the power of the Holy Spirit that you feel like you're ready to burst from his power?

Hi bekkilyn, well I am happy there is no misunderstandings then. I did say the same things already but it is ok. Yes indeed to the rest of your questions thanks to him who loves us and washed us in his own blood. Praise to his name and all glory be to him that we should be called the sons and daughters of God. To him be ALL glory forever and ever. AMEN.

 

[Eloy Craft]

Grace to you yeshuaslavejeff. This is a logical fallacy called "No True Scotsman." It is a yes or no question. Will you be saved if you don't honor the Sabbath on Saturday. Say, if you die not honoring the Sabbath on Saturday.

No.
A simple yes or no is not enough.

Whatever is not of faith is sin - so anything could be sin practically.

IF Jesus is MASTER , "(those who have accepted Jesus as Lord ) " will follow Jesus wherever He Goes, and DO whatever HE says to DO.

It may take decades

for some true disciples/ believers/ Ekklesia born again/
to learn to DO what Jesus says
because
it
often takes DECADES to UNlearn the false things they first learned growing up
because the false gospel fills the earth, and false teachers and false prophets far outnumber the truth.

 

[EvangAlived]

There is no "ceremonial part of the 7th day Sabbath" -- you are merely "quoting you" again. Which is fine as far as preference goes .. but not an actual Bible statement.

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism.

I found a rather interesting historical quotation from Philip Melanchthon, which I believe this board may appreciate, while I was working on another research project of mine:

Ante-Nicene 'fathers' 7,000 year old earth, based on 7 days of Genesis & Psa. 90:4; 2 Pet. 3:8

https://www.christianforums.com/thr...7-days-of-genesis-psa-90-4-2-pet-3-8.8079019/

Philip Melanchthon on Daniel 7:25 -

"... But what meaneth the aungell to saye: He shall s•arle or destroye ye hyghe sayn∣tis? verely els but that with his false doctryne capciouse othes articles / & in∣terrogacions he shall fraudelently de∣ceyue and trappe the simple innocents and shed their blode tyrannously. Also he shall arrogantly take vpon him & thin∣ke to change the state of tymes and la∣wes. He weneth to change ye tyme which with swerde and fyer thinketh to shorten the lyfe of man and to preuent and disa∣point gods infallible eternall and immu∣table prouidēce wherby he hath prefiyed euery manis tyme & houre of deth which as noman can differre or prolong it / so cā∣ne noman shorten nor preuent it / except men will make God an ignorant persone and so consequently no god at all. He chā∣geth the tymes and lawes that any of the [page 118-119] sixe worke dayes commanded of god will make them vnholy and idle dayes when he lyste / or of their owne holy dayes abo∣lisshed / make* worke dayes agen / & when they changed ye Saterday into Sondaye / of eting dayes fasting dayes / of mery and glad dayes to marye in / they can make so∣rowfull dayes forbiddinge maryages. They haue changed gods lawes and tur∣ned them into their owne tradiciōs to be kept aboue Gods preceptis. And as for their owne lawes they will change & bre∣ke them when they lyste. And this powr shal anticrist haue whether it be for long or shorte tyme. For so miche sowneth the Hebrew phrase / which is for a tyme / a lyt∣le whyle / & half a tyme / signifyinge that Anticryst shall make lawes to stande as long and as shorte tyme as he listeth and the tymes will he order / sett and change at his owne plesur. But is it not onely ye office of god to chang tymes and lawes? Here is therfore the prophecye fulfylled of him. Euen to exalt himselfe aboue all thing that god is called. This text. But the hyghe saynts he shall tangle trappe & destroye and arrogantly thinke to chan∣ge the tymes and lawes &c. is of diuerse lerned men diuersely translated. ..." - The exposicion of Daniel the prophete gathered oute of Philip Melanchton, Iohan Ecolampadius, Chonrade Pellicane [and] out of Iohan Draconite. [et] c. By George Ioye. A prophecye diligently to be noted of al emprowrs [and] kinges in these laste dayes

 

[BobRyan]

So when you say "God's WORD" you mean his written word every time. Good to finally have that clarified. Thank you.

And notice how Christ uses the term the same way in Mark 7:6-13 when hammering the traditions of the magisterium of His day.

 

[James Richards]

Because it sounds like your knowledge of Jesus is entirely academic rather than something you experience with him on a personal level as your personal lord and savior. To be filled with the Holy Spirit is very *real* and not just words on a page.

When many spend much of their day on these kinds of websites it does become simply an academic exercise. But then, this is a website for theological discussion, not necessarily the Christianity you are writing of.
Also, those who simply quote the letter to you, cannot and do not practice what they preach, thus it does simply become an academic exercise. As long as people who read such posts understand that, all will be well for them.

 

[Eloy Craft]

And notice how Christ uses the term the same way in Mark 7:6-13 when hammering the traditions of the magisterium of His day.

As wicked and unguided by the Holy Spirit that magisterium was, Jesus taught it should be treated like this;
Matthew 23

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; 3 therefore, do whatever they teach you and follow it;

 

[James Richards]

As wicked and unguided by the Holy Spirit that magisterium was, Jesus taught it should be treated like this;
Matthew 23

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; 3 therefore, do whatever they teach you and follow it;

Why were the Pharisees wicked and unguided?
The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practise what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
Matt23:2-4

They looked to the letter of what was written/the law and insisted it must be fully obeyed, but they could not obey that letter themselves. They gave every outward appearance of obedience, but the inside was a very different matter. As is always the case when people look to the letter of what is written and demand full obedience to it.
And so:

The yeast of the Pharisees was hypocrisy. Luke12:1

 

[Eloy Craft]

Why were the Pharisees wicked and unguided?
The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practise what they preach. 4 They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
Matt23:2-4

They looked to the letter of what was written/the law and insisted it must be fully obeyed, but they could not obey that letter themselves. They gave every outward appearance of obedience, but the inside was a very different matter. As is always the case when people look to the letter of what is written and demand full obedience to it.
And so:

The yeast of the Pharisees was hypocrisy. Luke12:1

Good Point! Your post inspired this thought; the additions to the Law placed by the Pharisees and teachers of the Law didn't cause sin but prevented the Law from fulfilling it's potential.

 

[James Richards]

Good Point! Your post inspired this thought; the additions to the Law placed by the Pharisees and teachers of the Law didn't cause sin but prevented the Law from fulfilling it's potential.

Yes, I would agree, the Pharisees were concerned with their man made rules and outward appearance of law keeping, whilst neglecting the love of God, Luke11:41. If the greatest commandment of all is neglected they must fail to reflect the heart of the law(or its true potential) in their lives

 

[bekkilyn]

When many spend much of their day on these kinds of websites it does become simply an academic exercise. But then, this is a website for theological discussion, not necessarily the Christianity you are writing of.
Also, those who simply quote the letter to you, cannot and do not practice what they preach, thus it does simply become an academic exercise. As long as people who read such posts understand that, all will be well for them.

Yes, after all, are people really observing the sabbath (seventh day or otherwise) when they are traveling, cooking, making sure they get paid jobs in the medical field so that they can keep working on those days, etc.?

 

[BobRyan]

As wicked and unguided by the Holy Spirit that magisterium was, Jesus taught it should be treated like this;
Matthew 23

Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; 3 therefore, do whatever they teach you and follow it;

And also this in Matthew 23
14 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense you make long prayers; therefore you will receive greater condemnation. 15 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you travel around on sea and land to make one proselyte; and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves

No wonder Christ crushes the doctrine and tradition of the magisterium "sola scriptura" saying that it totally invalidates worship of the one true God - this way.

Mark 7
6 And He said to them, “Rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:
‘This people honors Me with their lips,
But their heart is far away from Me.
7 ‘But in vain do they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.’
8 Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men.”
9 He was also saying to them, “You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition. 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘He who speaks evil of father or mother, is to be put to death’; 11 but you say, ‘If a man says to his father or his mother, whatever I have that would help you is Corban (that is to say, given to God),’ 12 you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or his mother; 13 thus invalidating the word of God by your tradition which you have handed down; and you do many things such as that.”

 

[BobRyan]

Yes, after all, are people really observing the sabbath (seventh day or otherwise) when they are traveling, cooking, making sure they get paid jobs in the medical field so that they can keep working on those days, etc.?

ahhh yes "creative writing".

As if Christ and the Apostles engaged in "healing" so they could keep working on Sabbath.

In "real life" working nights and weekend shifts are not the "high demand ones"

 

[bekkilyn]

ahhh yes "creative writing".

As if Christ and the Apostles engaged in "healing" so they could keep working on Sabbath.

In "real life" working nights and weekend shifts are not the "high demand ones"

Christ and the apostles could do whatever they pleased on the sabbath because Christ is Lord of the sabbath and not vice versa. Through Christ, it also applies to us post-resurrection because Jesus himself is our rest and is who the law of the sabbath was pointing to. When we put our trust in Christ rather than the yoke of the law, we are observing sabbath without having to come up with creative ways to get around the parts of Mosaic law that we find inconvenient.

 

[BobRyan]

Christ and the apostles could do whatever they pleased on the sabbath because Christ is Lord of the sabbath

Interesting creative writing.

Here is what Jesus actually said -

Matthew 5
17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:17
if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

And as for the Apostles
Rom 3
31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
1 John 5:2-3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments;
Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"


For all eternity - after the cross
Isaiah 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship"

In fact "every Sabbath" as Acts 18:14 states - gathering for Gospel preaching.

Eph 6:2 -- The 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment with a promise" in that still-valid-unit of TEN

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The actual Word of God - or simply relying on creative writing .... let each one choose as they will

 

[bekkilyn]

Interesting creative writing.

Here is what Jesus actually said -

Matthew 5
17 “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:17
if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

And as for the Apostles
Rom 3
31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"
1 John 5:2-3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments;
Rev 14:12 "the saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus"


For all eternity - after the cross
Isaiah 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL mankind come before Me to worship"

In fact "every Sabbath" as Acts 18:14 states - gathering for Gospel preaching.

Eph 6:2 -- The 5th commandment "is the FIRST commandment with a promise" in that still-valid-unit of TEN

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The actual Word of God - or simply relying on creative writing .... let each one choose as they will

Keeping the sabbath in Christ has nothing to do with observing a weekly ritual.